To Show How Small and Insignificant We Really Are

the people that are open minded,like me,and some of my family,dont need proof of other life in the universe.

the people that are small minded,and moronic enough to think we are the only intelligent life out of an INFINITE amount of galaxies,planets,stars...hell there might even be an infinite amount of dimensions,and universes.but thats stepping into another subject lol lets not get into that

all im saying is this.

everyone can think,believe.and speculate anything they want.

because at the end of the day...i know what i know,as do u all.

i dont need to prove anyone,anything. i already know enough about how the universe works to understand the numbers involved in space.they're astronomical.

and even though the universe is so VAST , massive .....u still have to remember this.

Life is a rare occurance,it isnt everywhere in the universe. in fact its REALLY rare , if u consider the numbers involved in space.

-Mayan

Don't continue with your "god's mind" crap, when all the original post did was to highlight the scale of the Universe in which we live.

Tezzajw

What do you have against GOD?

If you dont believe thats fine, alot of people dont believe in ufos. Its one persons belief over another! You cant prove to me that aliens or God are real, it boils down to ones own perception! And thats what this whole website is about.

I wouldnt have said anything but I see you constantly bringing down a belief in God. Prove it then, If people want to link the 2 together (GOD and aliens) so be it.

Frankly,

I believe in both God and ET's. I can't believe in evolution, its just too ... *squints eyes* ... explainable ? I'm having a hard time describing what I feel, but in essence - I want to believe God created everything. I also want to believe that God created other life in the universe. I don't think mankind alone can grasp the idea of God by ourselves...but it might be possible combined with what other aliens have learned about God.

I believe all sentient species wonder about a higher power. I think that it's an invetable train of thought, that ALL sentient beings will eventually ponder about. Who created me? How did I get here?

These things I think ALL sentient beings in the universe will have in common. Personally, this is what I think God and the scale of the Universe in whole have in common - because in reality, thats really all we would have in common anyway. That one thought, that one ponderance...

It's mind blowing to me, in a way - that in the vastness of the Universe - in the vastness of the unknown - there is one commonality - that could potentionally connect us all - our origins. Mind blowing.

Originally posted by redseal
Tezzajw
What do you have against GOD?

Other than the fact it doesn't exist when people think it does - nothing.

If you dont believe thats fine, alot of people dont believe in ufos. Its one persons belief over another! You cant prove to me that aliens or God are real, it boils down to ones own perception! And thats what this whole website is about.

When reliable witnesses have credible sightings of UFOs and aliens, then they exist. Afterall, aliens are just another lifeform in our galaxy who have managed to travel by our planet for their own reasons. No faith, no magic, just clever physics. That's all it takes.

The Milky Way galaxy is big enough for a few different life-bearing planets to call home.

I wouldnt have said anything but I see you constantly bringing down a belief in God. Prove it then, If people want to link the 2 together (GOD and aliens) so be it.

Yeah, I do bring down a belief in god. It's sad to watch grown adults, supposedly educated and intelligent, admit to believing in magic and fairy tales. It's the reason why our whole planet is screwed up, when fictional belief systems dominate the way that many people live their lives.

Back to the real thread though... The size of the galaxy isn't all that intimidating to me. Whatever else is out there will be for the discovery of future generations, long after I have checked-out.

Originally posted by zeeon
Frankly,

I believe in both God and ET's. I can't believe in evolution, its just too ... *squints eyes* ... explainable ? I'm having a hard time describing what I feel, but in essence - I want to believe God created everything. I also want to believe that God created other life in the universe. I don't think mankind alone can grasp the idea of God by ourselves...but it might be possible combined with what other aliens have learned about God.

Wow bro, that's exactly how I feel... I believe that God created us
and other life out there in the vastness of space. He's God, he can do anything!

And to the guy knocking religion (God) I don't see how's it's your place to judge other's on what they believe or don't believe? We all have a need to believe, be it in God or UFOs or both. I certainly don't judge you for not believing because that's your right!

But yeah, those photo's really do put a perspective on our life, galaxy, universe. People today throw out a bunch of numbers to relate to something like that. But when you really see the pictures that you posted, it sorta adds a new level to it. It's mind boggling to think that there could very well be a planet out there the size of five galaxies!

I had a picture of how we humans relate to the Earth and Moon... but where that go I have no clue. If I find it, I'll post it.

Thanks for the pics!

Originally posted by Mayan2012
the pics are great represantations. although also keep this in mind.

There are Galaxies and stars that we havent discovered yet that could hold planets the size of a whole galaxy.....think about a star the size of 5 galaxies lol...can u imagine how many planets would orbit that star ?

None, because it couldn't form. You can't have a star the size of 5 galaxies. There are reasons to believe that about 150 solar masses is the upper limit.

And a planet the size of a galaxy..nuh uh. Somewhere around 1.4 solar masses your planet becomes a black hole.

Originally posted by tezzajw
Yeah, I do bring down a belief in god. It's sad to watch grown adults, supposedly educated and intelligent, admit to believing in magic and fairy tales. It's the reason why our whole planet is screwed up, when fictional belief systems dominate the way that many people live their lives.

Is this to say that everyone who believes in god is ignorant? I think you should watch what you say. Throwing around off handed insults isn't very considerate, nor polite. In leiu of what you said, I don't think anyones religious belief has any iota to do with their intelligence. To think otherwise is closed minded and ignorant.

Originally posted by zeeon
Is this to say that everyone who believes in god is ignorant?

You typed that, not me.

I think you should watch what you say. Throwing around off handed insults isn't very considerate, nor polite.

I don't say anything, I use the keyboard to type. I didn't throw around 'off handed' insults. You accused me of it. When I type that I think it's sad to see people believe in magic, that's exactly what I think. I didn't insult the people for believing in magic in this thread.

In leiu of what you said, I don't think anyones religious belief has any iota to do with their intelligence. To think otherwise is closed minded and ignorant.

Again, I didn't say anything, I typed it. On the contrary to your opinion, I would expect uneducated masses to believe in faith systems that have been jammed down their throat from birth. That's why I am saddened to see intelligent, educated people believe in myths.

I don't know why you people insist on relating this topic to god? The relative sizes of the planets (and Pluto) and stars has nothing to do with god. Just like every good stateschool should be and using a quote from The Simpsons: "God has no place within these walls!". God has no place IN THIS THREAD.

As much as I deride the UKSA.gov.mil, I have to applaud NASA's efforts to land spacecraft on some of those very small, distant targets. Clever physics and ingenuity.

Its so big that it explains the so small and makes it basically equal in size.

(Quotes abbreviated for compactness)

Originally posted by tezzajw
You typed that, not me.
I don't say anything, I use the keyboard to type. I didn't throw around 'off handed' insults. You accused me of it. When I type that I think it's sad to see people believe in magic, that's exactly what I think. I didn't insult the people for believing in magic in this thread.
Again, I didn't say anything, I typed it. On the contrary to your opinion, I would expect uneducated masses to believe in faith systems that have been jammed down their throat from birth. That's why I am saddened to see intelligent, educated people believe in myths.

I don't know why you people insist on relating this topic to god? The relative sizes of the planets (and Pluto) and stars has nothing to do with god. Just like every good stateschool should be and using a quote from The Simpsons: "God has no place within these walls!". God has no place IN THIS THREAD.

As much as I deride the UKSA.gov.mil, I have to applaud NASA's efforts to land spacecraft on some of those very small, distant targets. Clever physics and ingenuity.

Semantics. You say, typed, communicated, its all the same. I don't know why you would pull hairs about something as trivial as semantics.

Secondly, what you "typed" was to say that your saddend that "supposedly" intelligent people believe in magic and fairytales.

Lets break that down shall we? By the term supposedly, your inferring that people who think they're intelligent, really are not, because of their belief, which you say is "magic and fairytales". I for one (and I don't think I'm alone here) intrepret that as "if you believe in magic and fairytales, then your not really intelligent, your only "supposedly" intelligent."
That, my dear friend, in an insult. You can backpeddle all you want, but it is what it is.

Well my friend, you don't have to believe magic and fairytales to believe in a higher power, which correctly if me I'm wrong, is what we're discussing here. Hell, I don't even believe half of the bible, yet I believe in God.

It makes me wonder why you are so aprehentious about the subject of God?

If it just frustrates you, and you want me to respect that - well, I do. I don't agree with alot of other people on here and their beliefs (lol just go look at the Forest on Mars thread if you want proof ). Just curious.

Just for those who haven't seen it.

Yeah, I do bring down a belief in god. It's sad to watch grown adults, supposedly educated and intelligent, admit to believing in magic and fairy tales.

Id say the whole universe is quite a magic trick, enough said!

Originally posted by zeeon
Lets break that down shall we? By the term supposedly, your inferring that people who think they're intelligent, really are not, because of their belief, which you say is "magic and fairytales". I for one (and I don't think I'm alone here) intrepret that as "if you believe in magic and fairytales, then your not really intelligent, your only "supposedly" intelligent."
That, my dear friend, in an insult. You can backpeddle all you want, but it is what it is.

That's your interpretation, as you stated. You were the one that typed the conditional 'if-then' premise that lead to your conclusion. Again, as you stated, that's your interpretation. I don't backpeddle at all.

If you're looking for an insult, then you'll twist my words however you like to find one.

Typing what makes me sad, is not directing an insult to people across an internet screen, it's merely typing what makes me sad.

Well my friend, you don't have to believe magic and fairytales to believe in a higher power, which correctly if me I'm wrong, is what we're discussing here.

The thread title is To Show How Small and Insignificant We Really Are. The thread title has nothing to do with god, or a higher power. So, I will correct you, you are wrong. The eighth reply in this thread, typed by The time lord, stated something about god, to which I objected. There was no need to bring god into this thread.

A similar type of size comparison would be useful if the linear distances from the Sun to the planets could also be shown. Then, from the Sun to the nearest star, etc... That would provide a visual idea of the scale of the Universe, rather than just comparing the size of the celestial bodies in the Universe.

Originally posted by tezzajw

Well my friend, you don't have to believe magic and fairytales to believe in a higher power, which correctly if me I'm wrong, is what we're discussing here.

The thread title is To Show How Small and Insignificant We Really Are. The thread title has nothing to do with god, or a higher power. So, I will correct you, you are wrong. The eighth reply in this thread, typed by The time lord, stated something about god, to which I objected. There was no need to bring god into this thread.

Dude, I was referring to what YOU and I are talking about - which is a higher power. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what thread i'm in, buddy, but thanks for your "correction", LOL.

I love the programmer reference to my "interpration". Is that really the best you can do? I tried to make peace with you with the last part of my last post, but obviously you're not down with that. So, just put me and all of us other "God Lovers" on ignore, and go on living. Cool?

EDIT: To add, your right. This thread is about how small and insignificant we really are. And last time I checked, you can't shut people up by telling them what is and what isn't related to a subject. If I can find relation to the subject of this thread through God (and obviously so can others) then so be it. After all, aren't we ALL small and insignificant in the face of God? *wink*


[edit on 8-4-2007 by zeeon]

I really cannot belive how people cannot belive in god/creator? really doesnt make sense, Everything that is in life, goes against that sort of belief, I mean being alive simply goes against that belief. What more proof would you need.

It really makes me laugh that we have hundreds of religion in our non sense planet while there are probably billions of other life form that believe in hundreds of billions of other religions.
Is there a God? Yes there is.
What is it? Its the Universe.
Where is he? Its everywhere.
God equal to Universe so its fine to talk about God.
On the other hand if you would talk about religion it would be quite laughable since they are so insignificant.

Tezz,

"No god," alright, let's see some proof. I'm talking "the creator," the "thing" that started it all. I'm speaking of creation in its purist sense.

When you dive into the realm of god and spirits, and seek to disprove them, you had better be ready to disprove things like ghosts, past lives, and OOBEs. This is spiritual phenomena.

You don't believe in god, fine. I've kind of been there before, myself. But don't come here putting people down for beliefs. Some very intellegent folks actually do believe in creation. It's no more mystical that belief in evolution. Both creation and evolution could exist without conflict.

Personally I'm a creationist at this point in my life. Evolution, maybe, but not without creation.

Anyway, yeah, this universe is vast. But what if there are more universes out there? The massiveness of the whole thing could be awe inspiring. Which it allready is.

Troy

Originally posted by Spartannic
nice thread m8!

thx for the link to Atlasoftheuniverse.com.

Doesn't seeing the 'hugeness' of the universe, makes you think its stupid that God would have created al that for us to play in???

I couldnt agree more..

Another reason why im so convinced this world will be of nothing soon.

Originally posted by piacenza
It really makes me laugh that we have hundreds of religion in our non sense planet while there are probably billions of other life form that believe in hundreds of billions of other religions.
Is there a God? Yes there is.
What is it? Its the Universe.
Where is he? Its everywhere.
God equal to Universe so its fine to talk about God.
On the other hand if you would talk about religion it would be quite laughable since they are so insignificant.

Exactly, when people describe as being christian people label them as "fundies" just for assuming they attend church. Religion is usually misjudged as church which is just a gathering where people can worship together. However, you also have wolves in sheeps clothing who are the real "fundies" to me.

Originally posted by cybertroy
Tezz,

"No god," alright, let's see some proof. I'm talking "the creator," the "thing" that started it all. I'm speaking of creation in its purist sense.

When you dive into the realm of god and spirits, and seek to disprove them, you had better be ready to disprove things like ghosts, past lives, and OOBEs. This is spiritual phenomena.

You don't believe in god, fine. I've kind of been there before, myself. But don't come here putting people down for beliefs. Some very intellegent folks actually do believe in creation. It's no more mystical that belief in evolution. Both creation and evolution could exist without conflict.

Personally I'm a creationist at this point in my life. Evolution, maybe, but not without creation.

Anyway, yeah, this universe is vast. But what if there are more universes out there? The massiveness of the whole thing could be awe inspiring. Which it allready is.

Troy

Exactly man! I was thinking the exact same thing earlier (in reference to creation and evolution co-existing.) It's good to know other people are thinking the same way Good post !