Judea Declares War on Germany: History 101

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posted on Apr, 6 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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WE BEEN LIED TO. Why deny the Holocaust? Because it may have never happened, the way we have been taught!

New video exposes the lies like nothing else. New secret Army intell report exposes the knowledge that has been withheld. Jews were being held as POWs because World Jews declared war on Germany in 1933. Germany rounded all the enemy combatants up, and put them in camps, just like the Americans did to the Japanese.

www.honestmediatoday.com...

By the way, Hitler was still a scum bag, and the people he put around him were just as bad.




posted on Apr, 8 2007 @ 12:55 PM
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What proof would you require to believe that it happened? I am sure that you could find it immediately. German archives are very big and thorough, and I could certainly point you in the right direction of which archives to go to. That is of course assuming you are truely interested in studying history and are not just a garden variety antisemite. You would need to know German, but I am sure that someone such as yourself who has in one sweep dismissed all historiography on the subject is already quite fluent in German (as well as probably Russian, Polish, and Hebrew).

PS -- Yes, Hitler was indeed a "scumbag." A very generous point for you to have made. He overthrew democracy in Germany. Outlawed labor unions. Invaded Poland. Invaded Austria. Invaded Yugoslavia. Invaded Czechloslavakia. Invaded USSR. Murdered political dissadents. Passed racist laws. And yes, his regime did commit the holocaust.

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posted on Apr, 8 2007 @ 11:14 PM
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Care to discuss the content's of that video?



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 06:26 AM
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No, it is complete bunk. I study German history for a living, and have better things to do than to argue against something that some video without citations. Citations (which this completely lacks) allow one to check the documents they "cite," archival sources they utilize. Without it, there is no proof only assertion. How can I argue against sources and evidence that I can't examine myself and draw my own conclusions about. So a secret report was released? Where can I get it? What is its context? Who are the people that wrote it (biographically, contextually, organizationally, etc.)? Who finally released it and what were their motivations for doing so? These are basic historic questions that the video doesn't answer. Perhaps for someon such as yourself it is OK to blindly believe, but I prefer to independently test evidence for myself. That is called being intellectually honest. Try it!!

Regardless, of the video throwing out the entire historical method as it has evolved since Ranke revolutionized the historical study in the mid 19th century, here is what I think of the bit that I could stomach, which to be honest wasn't too much I have better things to do than to watch an hour of the same unsupported crap that has been disprooven time and again by any number of reputable historians, scientists, etc. The twenty minutes I saw of it was the same BS that makes the same claims unsupported by any citations other than calling a guy "Dr." (who I couldn't find in any professional lists) and thinking that suffices as evidence. It does not. Here is some comments to the clips that I did see.

First, The idea of "World Jews" is silly. There was no such body. No such formal or informal body that even purported to do that. The interwar Jewish community was split by a vast number of nationalistic, religious (Orthodox, Reform, Hasidic, etc), language, class, and ideological lines. The idea tha there was such thing as "world Jewry" is simple fiction. Antisemitic, stupid, unsupported lies. That is all you are engaging in. Unless you can give me the sources showing there was indeed such a body that in reality represented "world Jewry." Waiting . . .

Second, even if there were such a body (which there wasn't) Hitler's policy officially called for a series of discriminatory laws against Jews before 1933. If "world Jewry" did declare war in 1933 (which they didn't) it would have been simply a defensive measure. Before 1933 Hitler's paramilitary organizations had already physically attacked Jews, burned their synagogues, etc. They ran on a campaign to strip Jews of their civil and economic rights. The timeline of this video and its "evidence" is completely out of wack with objective reality. Surely you believe in defensive wars, and even if "world Jewry" declared such a war in 1933 (which they didn't and which didn't exist) then it was a defensive war. Check out Mein Kampf or Hitlers 25 points from 1920, you dolt, and tell me they weren't antisemitic.


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posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 08:07 AM
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Great video, i was shocked quite a bit, but the arguments are exposing some major lies in the post WW2 time, that have been told us. I recommend watching the video, because it contains only facts.

Great find!



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 10:34 AM
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"only facts"


Let me cooraborate them. What archives are they at? What labratories are these tests held? How has the guy doing this video being received by his "colleagues" in the field of history? What peer reviewed journal has he been published in?

This is a fair warning for anyone who clicks this video:

You will be dumber for having watched it. I am for the ten minutes that I watches.
Spend the hour that you would spend watching petting your dog. I wish I had.


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posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 10:50 AM
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How much peer review did this socalled research recieve, if any? And of what sort were the reviews. Deniers are famous for finding new "facts" that look good until they're actually studied by people who know what they're looking at. Then, lo and behold, not so good looking.

Any scholarly work must have peer review, and must withstand it, in order to be viewed as anything other than claptrap.



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 11:47 AM
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The peer review you are referring to is happening as we speak.
Specialists and historians have tried to get their work reviewed,
but as you know the whole subject has become illegal in some
countries, and the specialist you speak of are in prison.

So, now, the review goes to the people for consideration, world
wide. It is so illogical for this subject to actually be against the
law that it begs logic. If it were true there would be no reason
to hide behind the law, it would be open for all to see. All facts
could be revealed as in many incidences that have occurred.
Unless, someone has something to hide.


The civil war in America is open to view, the war of 1812, and
much of WWI. Why is there so much secrecy involved in WWII?
But when one goes to investigate, or peer review the holocaust
an iron curtain falls.

The reason that is claimed, is quite illogical. Its hurtful to bring
it up? Its hurtful to all the Baton Death march survivors to talk
about the ordeal, but it isn't illegal. Its hurtful to the surviving
family members from 911, but it isn't illegal to discuss it, not
yet anyways. What of the holocaust that occurred in
Communist Russia? Will talking about that be illegal soon?

I say, its hurtful not to look at the past. We should grab
everything about the past and study like never before so
history, no matter, will not be repeated! Or maybe some
people want the past repeated!

Passage from the video. The video stated this is a
declassified document
from the allies: Good place to start.


Allied Military Police HQ.
Vienna 1.10.1948 MEMO NR: 31/48

The Allied Committiee of inquiry has
to date proven that no posion gas
was ever used to kill prisoners in
the following concentration camps
Berger-Belisen, Buchenwald, Dachau
Flossenburg, Gross-Rosen,
Mauthausen and satellite camps
Natzweiler, Neuengamme
Niederhagen (Wewelsburg),
Ravensbruck, Sachsenhausen,
Stutthof, Theresienstandt.

In all cases where gassings were alleged,
it could be proven that torture had
been used to extract confessions and
witnesses have lied.
Any former inmate who, during
their debriefing continues to allege
that poison gas was used to murder people
(in particular Jews), are to be reported to this
office and if they insist on lying
further, they are to be charged with
perjury.

signed Major Miller
Commanding Officer
Allied Military Police Vienna:

witnessed by Lieutenant Lachout MP






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posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 12:05 PM
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And for you "Judea Declares War on Germany" deniers here are a few links to help you see better.

www.biblestudysite.com...
www.historiography-project.org...
www.wintersonnenwende.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Link

Just a sample of what is out there.

For those who are serious about investigating this I suggest you go to your neighborhood Library and look up March 24 1933, and see whats in the paper on micro fish.



[edit on 9-4-2007 by All Seeing Eye]

Mod Edit: Truncated ink.

[edit on 13/4/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 01:25 PM
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If you are talking about the British Historian David Irving -- who is now indeed serving time in Austrian prison for denying the holocaust -- he has been refuted in the court of law by a number of very knowledgeble (and much better published scholars). In fact, he was so trounced that he has since said that he was mistaken. He has said that a number of documents have been released since the fall of the Berlin Wall, and now he realizes that the doubts he had have been clearly answered by the sources. He has flat out said "millions of Jews died, there is no question."

news.bbc.co.uk...

That was the one semi-respected historian who has been jailed (who himself admitted that he was no expert on the holocaust). My question is what exact historian are you referring to? Where do they hold a job? What are their qualification? What are their publications?

I actually agree with you that it shouldn't be a crime to make such a statement. But then again, when you've got someone like your little Bulgarian friend who says that this video only shows "facts." Then you have to question what the heck he saw. That is simply a false statement. More likely he is a racist who came to the video with certain preconcieved notions in his head. He is not the type of person who is intellectually honest enough to contribute to a fledgling democracy (in either post-communist Bulgaria or post-war Austria/Germany). I guess even idiots have the right to vote, but the fear is that these people are not able to confront rational objective realities. He is obviously already opposed to the principles of equality, rationality, and historical reconciliation. I agree that your Bulgarian antisemitic friend should have the right to vote and say what he wants, but at the same time, I can understand why the creators of these laws (who were only concered with protection post-war German/Austrian democracy) felt the need to isolate -- through any means necessary -- these destructive elements.



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 01:49 PM
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PS -- Your quotation of the allied commander of Vienna falls prey to a common flaw about the historical method. Luckily for you Giambattista Vico solved this problem definitively in 1725 in Scienza Nuvo. You see people closer to the event do not necessarily know more about the time they are chronologically closer to.

For example, we know much more about the daily lives of the Ancient Greeks than medieval Europe did. You see knowledge is lost and often we need a bit of distance to coorelate the contents. I am sure that the Allied commander of Military Police in Vienna was doing the best job he could in 1948, but simply put he didn't have access to many of those camps you speak of who were in Soviet Sectors.

Luckily -- though -- it appears that Major Miller was more knowledgable with Vico's work than you were. In the quotation you gave, he afterall includes the proviso "to date," meaning that up until then they haven't prooven that. Moreover, many of those camps you cite all historians would agree with you. They did not use gas in say Sachenhausen. Instead they shot people and froze them to death. In Ravensbruck, starvation and climate were used. In neither of these cases were any less dead.

I am honestly trying to find out what kind of evidence would change your mind. The Koeherr Report for example (compiled by the SS Statistician) offers what he calls a conservative estimate that in 1942 alone 2.4 million Jews were eliminated. He ended up concluding (in 1943) that since 1933 German National Socialists should be "credited" with killing 5 million Jews. This of course does not include the spike in extermination that occurred as the was was in its final days.

Seriously, what kind of evidence do you (who I assume is a thinking individual, open to change) willing to accept? The vast body of literature is on m yside, so I am honestly wondering if you reject the accumulation of German historiography over an uncited video and a guy running around calling himself a doctor.



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
WE BEEN LIED TO. Why deny the Holocaust? Because it may have never happened, the way we have been taught!

New video exposes the lies like nothing else. New secret Army intell report exposes the knowledge that has been withheld. Jews were being held as POWs because World Jews declared war on Germany in 1933. Germany rounded all the enemy combatants up, and put them in camps, just like the Americans did to the Japanese.

www.honestmediatoday.com...

By the way, Hitler was still a scum bag, and the people he put around him were just as bad.



I heard the same thing on youtube.com from the user Tax Slave. He mentioned boycotting germany



posted on Apr, 9 2007 @ 06:53 PM
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You are of course aware that the article you linked to disagrees with your statement that "Judea" declared war on Germany. From your wikipedia article:

"The story was not represented as a "declaration of war" by the world media; the headline occurred only in a mass market British newspaper reflecting the sensationalistic style of what is now known as the tabloid press in the UK."

This is hardly the massive world-wide movement. One single article, in one newspaper, on one day. Wow!!! The fact of the matter, as I have already said, is that there was no such thing as Judea. This was simply a fiction of tabloid journalists the day after Hitler definitively destroyed democracy in Germany with the Enabling Act (on March 24). In reality, Jewish world opinion was in 1933 divided about the degree of threat that Hitler posed to German Jewry.



posted on Apr, 13 2007 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by All Seeing Eye
And for you "Judea Declares War on Germany" deniers here are a few links to help you see better.

www.biblestudysite.com...
www.historiography-project.org...
www.wintersonnenwende.com...
en.wikipedia.org...
Link

Just a sample of what is out there.

For those who are serious about investigating this I suggest you go to your neighborhood Library and look up March 24 1933, and see whats in the paper on micro fish.



[edit on 9-4-2007 by All Seeing Eye]

you didnt read what you are using as examples did you?

Mod Edit: Truncated Link.

[edit on 13/4/2007 by Mirthful Me]



posted on Apr, 14 2007 @ 12:16 PM
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The links were pro and con. Wikipida is becoming known to me to be "Controlled". Taking things out of context is beginning to be the norm. Creating "Well Known", or ""Official" sources of information to further non truthful positions is nothing new.

Benjamin Freedman, a Jew, has quite a different position on the subject, and I'm sure, if he were alive, argue against Wikipida's position.


Introductory Note: Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century. Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States. Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times. This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S.


Mr Freedman insists that it was Jewry that should be held responsible for everything that had happened.


After a while, the Jews of the world called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended this meeting in July 1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler, and you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist or no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way. And we, the Jews of the world, are serving an ultimatum upon you." You can imagine what the Germans told them. So what did the Jews do?

In 1933, when Germany refused to surrender to the world conference of Jews in Amsterdam, the conference broke up, and Mr. Samuel Untermyer, who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference, came to the United States and went from the steamer to the studios of the Columbia Broadcasting System and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he in effect said, "The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them. That will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business." And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve. There was just not enough food for more than one third of the population. Now in this declaration, which I have here, and which was printed in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that "this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the National Recovery Administration," which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless he followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, and which was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court of that time. Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words "made in Germany" on it. In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted if anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were picketed with signs saying "Hitler," "murderer," and so forth, something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South. At a store belonging to the R. H. Macy chain, which was controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews, a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "made in Germany." Well, they were cotton stockings and they may have been there 20 years, since I've been observing women's legs for many years and it's been a long time since I've seen any cotton stockings on them. I saw Macy's boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying "murderers," "Hitlerites," and so forth. Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.
www.apfn.org...


To be honest one must read all of what Mr Freedman had to say. Then read the history of Khazaria.
GOG, MAGOG AND THE
KINGDOM OF THE KHAZARS
www.apfn.org...



posted on Apr, 15 2007 @ 05:45 AM
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Thank you AllSeeingEye: I hadn't read that particular excerpt before. Interesting read.

I spend quite a bit of time browsing Liberty Org Forums and it's amazing the amount of material posters make available. For example a while ago, one of the members there provided info and links re: the infamous and totally UNtrue lies about the 'jew soap'.

I was sickened and enraged when I read that several jew women had delberately lied about this monstrous pile of BS. THEN --- when several innocent people had been executed on the strength of those jewish females' insane lies --- the jews confessed that the 'jew soap' garbage had been sheer mentally-disturbed fabrication from beginning to end.

But the jew media refused to admit the story had been lies. And it was the jew media which continued to tell the SAME 'jew soap' lies for decades --- right up to the current time, in fact. Yet it's all lies and the jew liars finally confessed it was lies.

Same with the 'missing 8, 10, 15 or whatever millions of jews in WW2'.

On Liberty Org Forums, someone very kindly posted (including links to source) copies of official US figures for jews in Europe prior to WW2. The figure was approx. 8 million.

ALSO provided were copies of US figures for jews ALIVE in Europe AFTER WW2. THAT figure was ------------ 9.5 million !!!!

And it's all there in black and white -- the original copies of original US figures, in print, dated in the 1930s and 1940s. So how do the jews and their whore media explain the fact jews INCREASED their number DURING WW2 by One and a Half Million people !

Jews --- via the media they own and control --- are always telling the rest of the world that jews are 'smarter' than the rest ?

Well, they're either INCREDIBLY USELESS at math ---- or they're congenital, pathological LIARS. Up to them to decide which.

Because an INCREASE of One and a Half MILLION people ----- is NOT the same as a claimed LOSS (to Hitler) of 6 million during the same period.

Oh, and no surprise that these days, the jews have REDUCED those alleged to have been killed by Hitler ----------- to One and a Half Million. They changed the dramatic 'holocaust' monuments in Europe.

BUT of COURSE, their whore media has been very coy about this fact and there are millions of folk who still believe the old '6 million' tale. Or was it 26 million? 40 million? Who can keep up with their twisted imagination.

The outgoing head of the Israeli British Association stated very candidly in the early 50's: ' Of course there was no holocaust.'

But why let facts get in the way when you can bribe and threaten Congressmen and MPs and when you own and control the media (probably via monies 'paid' to Israel by the US and other held-to-ransom nations, not to mention that highly lucrative Kosher food scam - like owning the Mint). To this day, thoroughly righteous individuals are being tried in monkey-courts and deprived of their liberty for telling the TRUTH about the jew instigation of both World Wars and how they've profited from them during and since.

There is a WEALTH of information pertaining to the OP out there. The Net is continually 'cleansed' of the TRUTH, because being jewish is Big Business and they want people KEPT in ignorance --- all the better to milk the goy indefinitely. But browse the 'memoirs' and history sections of your local library, or speak with ex-military, etc. They know the truth. And the jews know the truth too, which is why they go to such lengths to KILL that truth whenever it raises its head.

They can't hide that truth from me though ------- I married into a family of jews and when they're drunk (often) out it all comes. THEY regard the 'holocaust story' as hilarious !

They're funny people. They're ignorant and ill-bred as hell, but they do INSIST on apeing British aristocracy. There's no bigger compliment anyone can pay them than: ' Are you English?'. They never admit they're jews. They don't deny they're English. They just twist their face into a moue and change the subject. They left Shanghai with a FORTUNE in OTHER PEOPLE's gold jewellery etc. These days, they adopt phony accents and casually claim to have bought this or that item " At Harrods, last time we were in London". They have adopted English surnames. And MOST interestingly --------- they pretend to be Roman Catholic and attend Mass every week.

Oh yes. There are a lot of us out here who DO know the truth --- the truths the jews find so very uncomfortable: the truths they laugh about in private and vehemently deny in public.

But the truth will out. It's already out.

And when the truth is out, all the kings horses and all the kings men cannot stuff that truth back under the carpet again.



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 08:19 PM
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so one jew feels this way and that means it is legit? wow you have interesting cirteria for legitimacy



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 08:23 PM
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just curious about one thing to the poster just prior to my firswt post: you said that you married into a jewish family and they let it all out when they drink, exactly what are they letting out? did they happen to see your white hood in the closet and their horns and tail came out? Geez some of the people here are truly mentally ill



posted on Apr, 17 2007 @ 10:48 PM
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Hello? Are you out of your mind? You're basing an entire world religion based on one Jew! I am half Jewish and Half christian and the synagogue that I went to doesn't talk about world domination, it talks about going to a better place, after having been in Egypt, and that they should be thankful for getting out of that horrid land and for freeing the slaves.

It's like with African Americans. First they discriminate against African Americans because they say that without them doing the work in farms and plantations that there will be no jobs then they go onto invent all these creative inventions and they go onto have amazing careers in politics (i.e Dr. martin Luther King JR, Barack Obama).

What are you talking about? The holocaust didn't happen? So you believe EVERYTHING YOU HEAR ON THE NET? That document looks like it was written by a two year old. The person who wrote that document faked that, you didn't include a link to the document, and then, you're assuming this based on a handful of witnesses.

Plus, a third or two of the Jewish population of Europe died with the holocaust. Whether or not it happened by poison gases, they used torture instruments, besides, I should know, I went to the holocaust museum TWICE, I think.

And besides, hitler used Jews as an excuse to rally his people for support for his cause and to elect him for Chancellor. What he did was inexcusable. He authorized the destruction of all Jewish owned properties, and synnagogues, and whether or not you say that it didn't happen, tons of Jewish Property was lost during WWII, and people were killed.



posted on Apr, 18 2007 @ 03:15 PM
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There are a few things to remember here. There is a difference between, the Religious Jew, and the Genetic Jew. Just the same as any other country or religion, except in this case, the Genetic Jew has not had a Country until the advent of Israel.

Maverickhunter, this post is not intended to bash any religion, but rather show events as they really happened. It is of interest that few people realize that in Jewdism there are different sects. Some follow the Torah, while others follow the Talmud, and some follow nothing.

Another division within the Jewish collective are what are know as Zionists who worked for the creation Of Israel. For the most part they were not religious, and some even claimed to be atheist. These are the "Jew" that are being discussed. If someone gives their own experiences or opinion it is to be considered as valid as your own.

Maverickhunter, did you view the video at the begging of this thread?
www.honestmediatoday.com...

What are your thoughts concerning this?





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