Female Captured UK sailor calls for troops out of Iraq, page 1

Iran: Captured UK sailor calls for troops out of Iraq

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"Isn't it time for us to start withdrawing our forces from Iraq and let them determine their own future?" said the letter, addressed to the British Parliament and released to media organizations by the Iranian embassy in London, England.

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[edit on 30-3-2007 by noyhcat]

Can the Iranian government be so silly as to assume the international community to believe that British military personnel would willingly, at the hands of a hostile government, publicly question Britain's Iraq policy? Is the Iranian government arrogant enough to rate the international community so gullible as to accept such a statement to have been made freely? Don't forget Iran's history in which, in 2004, captured soldiers were subjected to mock executions...

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Originally posted by noyhcat


Can the Iranian government be so silly as to assume the international community to believe that British military personnel would willingly, at the hands of a hostile government, publicly question Britain's Iraq policy? Is the Iranian government arrogant enough to rate the international community so gullible as to accept such a statement to have been made freely? Don't forget Iran's history in which, in 2004, captured soldiers were subjected to mock executions...

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What she says is true.

We shouldnt be in Iraq.

Did it ever cross your mind that she actually really means what she says?

The Iranian government are not silly they speak the truth.

Why can we not question our own countries policy? Should we just sit back and let our government do what they like without questioning them?

I ask you is our British history any better than the Iranians?

**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by noyhcat]

Originally posted by noyhcat
**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

Anyway, whoever it is has done well to apologise.

If he really really disagreed with the Iranians and truly supported his "Country" dont you think he would make a point to the Iranians?

Like say sacrifice his life for his country?

No because he knows what our country is doing and it isnt worth risking his own life for.

Its all a set up can you not see?


[edit on 30-3-2007 by markjaxson]

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat
**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

Anyway, whoever it is has done well to apologise.

If he really really disagreed with the Iranians and truly supported his "Country" dont you think he would make a point to the Iranians?

Like say sacrifice his life for his country?

No because he knows what our country is doing and it isnt worth risking his own life for.

Its all a set up can you not see?


[edit on 30-3-2007 by markjaxson]

Mark, in which world do you live in? Don't you know what torture can do to people? You know, you sit behind the computer and go on about how these soldiers in captivity should just sacrifice their lives if they think what the UK government is doing is right? Just the possibility of execution will get most people to concur and elaborate on anything the perpetrator says, military or no. DO you want to deny this? If you don't then merely considering this fact AND that the Iranian government has done these things in the past should get you thinking...
We can debate about this the whole day but the fact remains that the captured sailors are at the hands of the Iranian government which has in the past, in an almost identical situation, tortured.

[edit on 30-3-2007 by noyhcat]

Originally posted by apc
They probably aren't being tortured. The woman probably broke under psychological pressure. The guy was probably planted in front of a camera with a knife placed under his johnson.

Torture is defined by the United Nations Convention Against Torture as "any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity."

Source


[edit on 30-3-2007 by noyhcat]

Originally posted by noyhcat

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat
**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

Anyway, whoever it is has done well to apologise.

If he really really disagreed with the Iranians and truly supported his "Country" dont you think he would make a point to the Iranians?

Like say sacrifice his life for his country?

No because he knows what our country is doing and it isnt worth risking his own life for.

Its all a set up can you not see?


[edit on 30-3-2007 by markjaxson]

Mark, in which world do you live in? Don't you know what torture can do to people? You know, you sit behind the computer and go on about how these soldiers in captivity should just sacrifice their lives if they think what the UK government is doing is right? Just the possibility of execution will get most people to concur and elaborate on anything the perpetrator says, military or no. DO you want to deny this? If you don't then merely considering this fact AND that the Iranian government has done these things in the past should get you thinking...
We can debate about this the whole day but the fact remains that the captured sailors are at the hands of the Iranian government which has in the past, in an almost identical situation, tortured.

The same as you.

Yes i know what torture can do,But do these people look like they have been tortured for days on end? Sleep deprived? Bruises everywhere?

Of course not.

The woman sent a letter to her family saying she was ok.

She was allowed to do this, they are feeding them and treating them well.

The British were in the wrong,they were in Iranian seas!

And the British accepted and apologised.

Now it is time for our British Government to accept and apologise, but is this going to happen... I dont think so.

The only thing Iran wants to do is prove that our governments are wrong and evil. And keep out of other countries business.

Dont you understand?

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat

Originally posted by markjaxson

Originally posted by noyhcat
**UPDATE**

Iran airs second sailor 'apology'
A second member of the Royal Navy crew captured in the Gulf has apologised for trespassing in Iranian waters, in a broadcast on Iranian television.
He was quoted as saying: "We entered Iranian waters without permission and were arrested by Iranian coastguards."
"I would like to apologize to the Iranian people for that."

For me anything these sailors say, while being at the hands of the Iranian government, carries absolutely no credibility.

Anyway, whoever it is has done well to apologise.

If he really really disagreed with the Iranians and truly supported his "Country" dont you think he would make a point to the Iranians?

Like say sacrifice his life for his country?

No because he knows what our country is doing and it isnt worth risking his own life for.

Its all a set up can you not see?


[edit on 30-3-2007 by markjaxson]

Mark, in which world do you live in? Don't you know what torture can do to people? You know, you sit behind the computer and go on about how these soldiers in captivity should just sacrifice their lives if they think what the UK government is doing is right? Just the possibility of execution will get most people to concur and elaborate on anything the perpetrator says, military or no. DO you want to deny this? If you don't then merely considering this fact AND that the Iranian government has done these things in the past should get you thinking...
We can debate about this the whole day but the fact remains that the captured sailors are at the hands of the Iranian government which has in the past, in an almost identical situation, tortured.

The same as you.

Yes i know what torture can do,But do these people look like they have been tortured for days on end? Sleep deprived? Bruises everywhere?

Of course not.

The woman sent a letter to her family saying she was ok.

She was allowed to do this, they are feeding them and treating them well.

The British were in the wrong,they were in Iranian seas!

And the British accepted and apologised.

Now it is time for our British Government to accept and apologise, but is this going to happen... I dont think so.

The only thing Iran wants to do is prove that our governments are wrong and evil. And keep out of other countries business.

Dont you understand?

Yes i know what torture can do,But do these people look like they have been tortured for days on end? Sleep deprived? Bruises everywhere?

Mark, do you think sleep deprivation is the only way to torture? How about I take you and a couple of your friends out to my house in the woods. I blind-fold you. I tell you: "If you don't call the bank and transfer all your money to my account I will first execute your friends and then you, and just to prove it to you I will execute one of your friends now." I get someone to quietly move one of your friends out of the room while maybe creating some noises so you can't hear what I'm doing. When your friend is out of hearing range I pull the trigger of a gun and fire it in the air. You will now think I have just killed your friends! I leave the room, give you time to think about what i have just done, I come back. Then I take another one of your friends... I do this until you tell me you will transfer the money. Or hey, "...I heard you have a daughter living in a place not to far way, maybe I'll send someone to look after her?" Or "...how ever will your daughter grow up without a mother..."? Get my point?




[edit on 30-3-2007 by noyhcat]

On other threads you take down Iran for detaining those service/men,women now your saying that you support Iran?

I cant remember taking down Iran in any of my threads?

If i did i have now realised whats going on...

Here...

"The Iran/Iraq maritime boundary shown on the British government map does not exist. It has been drawn up by the British Government. Only Iraq and Iran can agree their bilateral boundary, and they never have done this in the Gulf, only inside the Shatt because there it is the land border too. This published boundary is a fake with no legal force,"

"Accepting the British coordinates for the position of both HMS Cornwall and the incident, both were closer to Iranian land than Iraqi land. Go on, print out the map and measure it. Which underlines the point that the British produced border is not a reliable one."

Source

Maybe it was a set up between both countries.

No?

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