Hispanics Leaders Upset by Shock Radio Stunt

Originally posted by shots

And I do not think you can read why didn't you answer the question again you avoid what I ask as you have in the past. What are the sacrifice's????

I suppose it's not a sacrifice for you,as you'll probably not be mistaken for illegal. And I suppose that's good enough for you.

No one is assuming they are lilegal they only do that after making observations or by watching their habits plus hearing what they say in bars on corners in stores etc.

Who are you talking about? You're saying that everyone who listens to this radio show will be intelligent, and analytical?

You are acting paranoid and it will not work you are assuming people are going to go just by looks and that is a wrong assumption

Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you. And in this case, it's more true than ever.

speaking for myself I would observe and listen and then report..
I have said it once perhaps twice heck I will make it three or four times if need be go to training sessions for neighborhood watch programs and get involved, you would be surprised how you could rid your neighborhood of the unwanted and that includes possible killers, drug dealers/sellers and yes even illegals.

You'll also get rid of people minding their own business, and doing nothing illegal, but don't want to live near someone who is constantly watching their every action looking for something to tell the police about.

They cover all aspects and I am sure if you had trained, you would not be spouting off as you are because it is obvious you do not know the basics of watching for suspect individuals. :shk:

Yeah, I've "fit the description" enough to know what "suspect individuals" look like.

[edit on 25-5-2007 by Rasobasi420]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
I suppose it's not a sacrifice for you, as you'll probably not be mistaken for illegal. And I suppose that's good enough for you.

You still are avoiding the question put to you. Name those sacrifices that would be new.

.Who are you talking about? You're saying that everyone who listens to this radio show will be intelligent, and analytical?

No what I was inferring is those that are truly concerned would do the right things, unlike you I tend to trust people.

Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you. And in this case, it's more true than ever.

I am not the paranoid one that would be you and perhaps a few others, I have nothing to be paranoid about. I follow the laws and I talk to the police from time to time. Nothing fancy just normal neighborhood watch stuff but we do talk and they do listen oddly enough not one violent cop in the whole group either. Sure, they may get mad but I have only seen that happen when the suspect acts up.

You'll also get rid of people minding their own business, and doing nothing illegal, but don't want to live near someone who is constantly watching their every action looking for something to tell the police about.

Oh how wrong you are. How can I get rid of someone I do not watch? I would only watch those that deserve watching or those that act strangely.

Yeah, I've "fit the description" enough to know what "suspect individuals" look like.

Ah yes your paranoid personality shows its self once again. Have you ever extended an offer to help your local police? You would be very surprised at the responses you can get. You treat them nice and they treat you nice, just like a good friend if you treat them nice they are nice to you but when you attack them well of course they return the favor, such is life. Change your attitude and outlook on life there is more to life then living in poverty, slums or ghettos a little hard work and in no time at all you are out living in a better home and plese do not give me that old story I can't get out because I know better. I was born and rased in the bad parts of town and I got out thuse I know it can be done. It is not easy but it can be done. hell if you get a job at the right company you might even get a brand new house financed by your employer. Well that would be the case if you worked at Harley in Milwaukee and qualified they are building several brand new homes in what was once considered a ghetto and trust me the houses are very nice.

I would like to say here. In life as we experience it. Each individual has an experience through this world.

Built up of interactions between them and their surroundings. Many people grow to percieve life to be a certain way. This sort of conditioning is very hard to undo.While one person is one way another will not.

When it comes to a scociety based way of life.You must understand that each person within that scociety is conditioned to a certain degree.While the individual will vary within different fields of their thoughts and way of life. At some point everyone within a certain scociety will come together at one point in many of their ways of life. This is culture.

Many look at culture as being a history of a people,but no it pertains really,to each and every one of us. At every moment of our lives.Our country our people our t.v our cars whatever.It all pertains to who we are and the way we think.

Step outside the box here for a moment.Who is your people who do you care about.What did you experience in life.Where do you come from.

A race a birth place a rite..?

These things do not matter in heart of hand. Flesh and blood,with borders...to keep what peace.??

Would it not depend on what side you live on as to what Laws pertain to you.??

What way of life do you live everyday?Here I see ourselves coming down to yelling hurting screaming at eachother, and living in suffering due to lines in the sand..As i have heard it reffered to before..

Why must so many of us live in such alienation to all that surrounds us???
We ARE all people.Humans. We make laws and say who goes where.We govern ourselves in such silly ways to protect scocieties built upon destuctive means.

Down to a level where I see many who are my brothers and sisters fight against eachother to no means.
I say this to all of you every where BROTHERS AND SISTERS.in what I dont know all I know is we are ALL the same.all of us are as important as the rest of us.lets work together not apart.
We need peace and words ,and words of peace.





[edit on 26-5-2007 by toraylin]

Originally posted by shots
You still are avoiding the question put to you. Name those sacrifices that would be new.

Well, to be secure in one's own home, and not to worry that one's neighbors are out to get you. To be able to walk to the corner without having to carry your green card, ID, or birth certificate. I think giving those up would be pretty substacial sacrefices.

No what I was inferring is those that are truly concerned would do the right things, unlike you I tend to trust people.

Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst my friend. It's a pretty safe rule to live by.

I am not the paranoid one that would be you and perhaps a few others, I have nothing to be paranoid about. I follow the laws and I talk to the police from time to time. Nothing fancy just normal neighborhood watch stuff but we do talk and they do listen oddly enough not one violent cop in the whole group either. Sure, they may get mad but I have only seen that happen when the suspect acts up.

No one is talking about violent cops. I'm talking about innocent people being harassed by people who don't know what to look for, are unintelligent, and will call the cops on their neighbor just because they have a thick spanish accent, and assume their illegal.

Oh how wrong you are. How can I get rid of someone I do not watch? I would only watch those that deserve watching or those that act strangely.

Well, now I'm secure in the knowledge that I have to be concerned that my normal everyday actions will be construed as "strange" by some random unknown neighbor watching me through his window shades. Freedom should not be limited to those who follow the norm.

Change your attitude and outlook on life there is more to life then living in poverty, slums or ghettos a little hard work and in no time at all you are out living in a better home and plese do not give me that old story I can't get out because I know better. I was born and rased in the bad parts of town and I got out thuse I know it can be done. It is not easy but it can be done.

There you go shots, jumping to baseless conclusions. Do you know where I live? Do you know what I do for a living? Do you know how much money I make, or what kind of car I drive? This is my exact concern. That people will take some random bits of evidence, jump to the wrong conclusion, and call the police on an innocent family.

BTW, I have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, make a good living, and drive a nice car (nice enough for me anyway).

remember what happens when you make assumptions, you make an ass out of U and mption.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

Well, to be secure in one's own home, and not to worry that one's neighbors are out to get you.

Worrying about something is not a sacrifice it is a human reaction

To be able to walk to the corner without having to carry your green card, ID, or birth certificate. I think giving those up would be pretty substacial sacrefices.

Wrong again hey you are batting two for two they are required by law to carry either their passport or green card at all times, so it is not a sacrifice.

The card must be in the possession of the permanent resident at all times. This means the U.S. permanent resident must have a currently valid card on the person at all times, to show to a USCIS officer, if requested.
Source

I'm talking about innocent people being harassed by people who don't know what to look for, are unintelligent, and will call the cops on their neighbor just because they have a thick spanish accent, and assume their illegal.

There you go making the same assumptions you accuse me of doing. Again I will state as I started earlier the ones that more then likely would go out of their way if you will are not idiots as you assume. The individuals that I assume would act are the ones who care and have listened to the police explain what and what not to look for at neighborhood watch programs.

Is it safe tp assume you never listen to the police adds asking for help in watch programs??? If you do not you realy should, you would be surprised at how much one can learn


The way you make it sound everyone out there except you is and idiot again that is your fault for making that assumption.

BTW, I have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, make a good living, and drive a nice car (nice enough for me anyway).

Gee and here I could have sworn a few months back you said the opposite



[edit on 5/26/2007 by shots]

[edit on 5/26/2007 by shots]

Originally posted by shots
Worrying about something is not a sacrifice it is a human reaction

The sacrifice is the personal security.

Wrong again hey you are batting two for two they are required by law to carry either their passport or green card at all times, so it is not a sacrifice.

And I'm glad you'll be there to turn them in at the drop of a dime. And I'm including natural born citizens, and naturalized citizens in this as well. As I said, they would be included in this "witch hunt".

The individuals that I assume would act are the ones who care and have listened to the police explain what and what not to look for at neighborhood watch programs.

Well, the one's I assume will act are the ones who blame immigrants for losing their job, and are looking for someone to lash out at. And, I'm willing to bet we're both right. But, if my scenario starts to play out, it won't be worth the minor good it may do from your scenario.

The way you make it sound everyone out there except you is and idiot again that is your fault for making that assumption.

Not everyone is an idiot. But enough are that if given free license to act as the long arm of immigration, it would end up being a horrible problem for people who don't deserve the extra hassle.

BTW, I have a good job, live in a nice neighborhood, make a good living, and drive a nice car (nice enough for me anyway).

Gee and here I could have sworn a few months back you said the opposite

Really? Where? I'd like to see the quote(s) that I said, that made you assume that.

Originally posted by shots
hearing what they say in bars on corners in stores etc.

See, it's misconstrued comments that lead to assumptions that can end badly for perfectly legal citizens minding their own business. And, if someone like you who is "trained by the police" to read people can misconstrue my comments and make wrong assumptions about me, then what chance does the guy who is out to get illegals have in making the right call?

[edit on 27-5-2007 by Rasobasi420]

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
The sacrifice is the personal security.

But if they are here legally and carrying their card as required by law they are not giving up anything and that includes their security. They are required by law to show their card/passport with visas if required and they are on their way

[quote]
Well, the one's I assume will act are the ones who blame immigrants for losing their job, and are looking for someone to lash out at. And, I'm willing to bet we're both right. But, if my scenario starts to play out, it won't be worth the minor good it may do from your scenario. [/quote]

You see that is where I feel you are wrong, you refuse to get involved.
Do without don't snitch programs, get educated by the police by attending dare meetings or neighborhood watch programs and get educated that is what a concerned citizen would do.


Here Educate yourself it really is not that hard VDARE

See, it's misconstrued comments that lead to assumptions that can end badly for perfectly legal citizens minding their own business. And, if someone like you who is "trained by the police" to read people can misconstrue my comments and make wrong assumptions about me, then what chance does the guy who is out to get illegals have in making the right call?:

See there you go again assuming, you are wrong. I lived in Spain for 8 years. I speak the language very well I even went to language school in Langley Va for one additonal year, making it 9 total, so I know darn well I would not be misconstruing anything as you assume.

I can also understand some dialects such as Mallorkean , Castialan and a few others enough to understand most if not all of what they say.


Now my spelling might be off since I am a tad rusty but

Viví en España por 9 años así que puedo escucho y hablo español cómo sobre usted

English Translation I lived in Spain for 9 Years and can both speak and understand/listen to Spanish how about you?


Now run along and study up about VDare along with neighborhood Watch programs.

Citizens get involved

LAPD Get involved

And last but not least Just for you so you cannot sy there is none by you unless of course you do not live near or in Gainesville as you once stated. Or let me rephrase that for clarity I am talking about when you said Gainesville had a very high crime rate and you more or less implied at least I took it that you either lived there at one time or still did.

Gainesville Fl

If you would bother to get involved this world might be a better place to live rather then assuming things as you do.



[edit on 5/27/2007 by shots]

Very funny, but i tell you, i would be awful mad, being hispanic and getting a knock at the door in the middle of the night in order to provide proof they are in the country legally.

What does an illegal alien look like? What does a law abiding legal resident or citizen of hispanic origin look alike?

This is nothing more than vigilantism (sp) and i'm not for that.

La Cucaracha
La Cucaracha,
Ya no puede caminar...
Porque le falta
Porque le falta
Las dos paticas de atras.

Wow shots, I have no idea what you're talking about. You speak Spanish, congratulations. I don't see what that has to do with some random guy with a vendetta against immigrants, and Hispanics. You may speak the language, but not everyone does. And, there are people who don't speak the language that will take it to the extreme. And having a respected on air personality advocate, and promote such activity, you're most likely gonna get a lot of people who are going to take it to the extreme.

And what are you talking about with that Gainesville thing? I've never said I live in Gainesville, and have only been to Florida once. I went to Disney world on a class trip.

You may have me confused with someone else. I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that police report.

"Officer, there's a family of illegals living on 75 Pine Street.....
Or was that 79 Pine Street..... I can't remember exactly.
Whatever, I'm sure you'll find them."

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Wow shots, I have no idea what you're talking about. You speak Spanish, congratulations. I don't see what that has to do with some random guy with a vendetta against immigrants, and Hispanics. You may speak the language, but not everyone does. And, there are people who don't speak the language that will take it to the extreme. And having a respected on air personality advocate, and promote such activity, you're most likely gonna get a lot of people who are going to take it to the extreme.

Really you have no idea yet you made the statement when I mentioned listening to individuals sitting in a bar and alleged I was assuming things. My answer was directed at.

Here refresh your memory I said

quote: Originally posted by shots
hearing what they say in bars on corners in stores etc.

You said

See, it's misconstrued comments that lead to assumptions that can end badly for perfectly legal citizens minding their own business. And, if someone like you who is "trained by the police" to read people can misconstrue my comments and make wrong assumptions about me, then what chance does the guy who is out to get illegals have in making the right call?

There hows your memory now?
You see you alleged I could misconstrue things I might hear at bars or in public; which is rather hard given the fact I speak Spanish.

As for your other paranoid remarks I have already addressed them several times yet you refuse to get my point that the only ones doing it other then perhaps an occasional nut job would only be Concerned Citizens.


Edit to add I had you mixd up with ImpliedChaos about Gainsville and realize I made a mistake it was not you sorry for the misunderstanding.

[edit on 5/27/2007 by shots]

If I called the authorities everytime I saw someone I think might be an illegal alien, I'd be calling the cops all day long.

They'd probably end up blocking my number.

Originally posted by djohnsto77
If I called the authorities everytime I saw someone I think might be an illegal alien, I'd be calling the cops all day long.

They'd probably end up blocking my number.

or turning you in for giving false information to an officer. I still dont know how you can pick a legal from an illegal. Not all illegals are homeless, in fact, in Arizona, they all drive nice cars, have licenses, live in nice places, go to work, etc. AND some legals dont have it that good.

How do you tell? Unless they start questioning everyone with an accent, I dont see how.

Originally posted by dgtempe
How do you tell? Unless they start questioning everyone with an accent, I dont see how.

I get suspicious when I ask someone working at the grocery store "where is the ice?" and they can't even understand that. That happened to me the other day.

[edit on 5/27/2007 by djohnsto77]

Djohnsto and his cultural challenges at the grocery store. *sniff*
This factual and objective contribution really explains alot. Very moving and emotional.
Got any other, more substantial problems in life, other than that?

Poor djohnsto Don't understand spanish? Sounds really dramatic.
What about french, or german? No?
Nothing? Only English?.. well.. too bad.

At least people like you, who believe their country is the only one in the world which has to deal with cultural differences, or with people who do not dominate your own language yet... give me some kind of confirmation.

I remember being in Munich for a weekend and having alot of fun with a good mate of mine.
It was hilarious to verbally insult hordes of obese american families without them understanding a single word.

But I guess it's OK. After all they don't speak german. Only american English.

Hell they might even be illegals, who knows. I should have told some police officer that the father beats his children and wife in public? No wait, i saw an american couple dropping some suspicious package into a waste bucket ;] Just because of my prejudices and their lingual incompetence!

After all I can only say that all of the americans can thank ignorant people like you and shots, for not being as welcome in europe, as they once were.
No matter if they are good or bad people. Prejudices will always remain.

And don't forget; Publicly calling up for people to willfully denounce other individuals without real reasons has nothing to do with law. World War 2? Remember? "Point at the Jew."

It's all about Basic Human Rights and all that kind of stuff, you know.
The things you guys don't seem to care about.

You know it's also possible to be AGAINST the current political immigration reality, WITHOUT being culturally neglecting, disrespectful and ignorant.

[edit on 2-6-2007 by osram]

[edit on 2-6-2007 by osram]

orsam, I hoe you're not surprised by this. Historically, this type of nationalism, which borders on fascism, has been root of many of history's most horrendous acts.

It's a vicious cycle that people never seem to learn from. If you're not from my country, then you're not quite human. It's extremely aggravating when you try to explain it to them, and all they say is "This is my country!!!" It's almost like they don't realize that no single country is the center of the world, and what affects others, affects them.

It's the reason why we have obese westerners, and starving Africans. There's more than enough to go around, but some insist on maintaining the greed of the status quo.

I'm in Hong Kong right now, and I don't speak Cantonese. Lucky for me there are enough people who speak English for me to get by. Too often we have people who don't know what it's like to be a stranger in a strange land. I couldn't imagine how hard it would be if I was poor too, and could barely afford to get by.

Originally posted by shots
There hows your memory now?
You see you alleged I could misconstrue things I might hear at bars or in public; which is rather hard given the fact I speak Spanish.

As for your other paranoid remarks I have already addressed them several times yet you refuse to get my point that the only ones doing it other then perhaps an occasional nut job would only be Concerned Citizens.

BTW shots, it doesn't matter if you speak spanish. You speak english well enough, and yet you still misconstrued some of my statements to mean that I was still poor and still lived in the ghetto.

And as far as the "concerned citizens" thing goes, I roll my eyes at that. Everyone says they're concerned citizens, even the nut jobs. And I think you're underestimating the number of nut jobs/concerned citizens making these calls.

I hope the amnesty bill gets passed. It would be the only thing that Bush did right.

Bravo to the illegals. Sneak as many of your family members over with you as possible. You're getting a free ride, so take it.

After all, someone has to ruin the punk yuppies who think they're all that. They've got enough wealth through unfair advantages; take them DOWN, illegals.

Illegal aliens, as you're enjoying health care, education, and other perks at the expense of taxpayers , just know I'll be rooting you on. After all, every illegal I've ever met has been MUCH cooler with me than any stinking, stuck-up yuppie.

Face it, middle America, you're dying. Just perish already; I don't need to hear you whining and whimpering as you go.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420

You speak english well enough, and yet you still misconstrued some of my statements to mean that I was still poor and still lived in the ghetto.

No I did not miscontrue what you said. I got you mixed up with another individual and clearly said so right here

Well, mix ups like that can be dangerous for innocent people. And this is just an example of how mixups can happen. And I'd hate to be a Puerto Rican when someone mistakes them for an illegal alien and calls the police.

Are you saying that it can't happen?

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Well, mix-ups like that can be dangerous for innocent people.

How can a mix-up (conversation) on a message board be dangerous? You are really getting hilarious and showing your Ignorance here while comparing apples to oranges. In this case, I simply confused you with another individual on a message board and I most certainly did not allege you were an illegal or did anything wrong.

[edit on 6/3/2007 by shots]