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Gun crime in England and Wales dropped by 14% last year, the murder rate was down by 9% and overall crime has remained broadly stable, according to Home Office figures published yesterday.
A snapshot of crime in 2005/06
Here are some significant crime statistics from our most recent research, Crime in England and Wales 2005-2006:
shows the risk of being a victim of crime is 23% - the lowest level since the British Crime Survey began in 1981
reveals crime has fallen by 44%, representing 8.4 million fewer crimes
shows domestic burglary and
all vehicle thefts falling by over a half (59% and 60% respectively)
Originally posted by spymaster
whilst i admire your research, and aptitude for statistics, i do think that perhaps you "are the one thats believes everything " he reads in a paper/report i do not mean that as an insult mate.
You are an intelligent and well read person, but perhaps it may be you who is being mislead?
But surely you do realise that a large proportion of crime still goes unreported!
What is the British Crime Survey?
The British Crime Survey (BCS) is a very important source of information about levels of crime and public attitudes to crime and other Home Office issues. The results play an important role in informing Home Office policy.
The BCS measures the amount of crime in England and Wales by asking people about crimes they have experienced in the last year.
The BCS includes crimes which are not reported to the police, so it is an important alternative to police records.
Victims do not report crime for various reasons.
Without the BCS the government would have no information on these unreported crimes.
The BCS helps to identify those most at risk of different types of crime, and this helps in the planning of crime prevention programmes.
The BCS looks at people’s attitudes to crime, such as how much they fear crime and what measures they take to avoid it.
The BCS looks at people’s attitudes to the Criminal Justice System, including the police and the courts.
Give it another week and we will see reports of "gun crime at an all time low"
i thinks this is one time when i would Strongly disagree with any figures you showed me that say that crime is falling!
I agree that crime will be around no matter what government are in power, but it is no good producing all the reports to say that crime is falling if it is NOT backed up on the streets.
Ask the average person on the street (anyone over the age of 21)
if they feel safe?....I'm sure that these people would strongly disagree with the figures.
Ask the people effected by crimes such as the shootings, those effected by peadophiles, by muggings, robberies, and so on, dont rely on those "fantastic reports" that this POXY government seem so eager to hand out to all & sundry when things get too heavy for them?
Sminkey, my implication that the government ,was not, that it gives permission for this sort of thing to happen, But, YES, it allows it to happen, like it or not, this elected government is NOT doing enough mate.
So in their big crackdown on crime, they have lowered the age from 21 to 17 to recieve a minimum of 5 "very soft" yrs in jail, with good behaviour and a few social reports, and a promise "not to do it again" they will be out in 3yrs.....MMMMM hardly a deterrant is it?
Forgive but i thought it was illegal to carry a firearm in the uk?
So, i ask this is a minimum 5yrs really a deterrant?
What on earth would you want/need to carry a firearm in the first place, if it wasnt to KILL?
The new law should be:
"armed with intent to kill and or maim"
sentance: LIFE.without the possibilty of parole,
Originally posted by Royal76
Didn't your Government...
Ban guns for citizen's, and now the only people who have them are criminals? That my inpression. Forgive me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by timeless test
Well, if nothing else the comments on this thread should highlight the fact that dealing with crime in society is anything but simple. This should be illustrated by the fact that there is a constant call for longer prison sentences, and yet this Government, (that's the one which isn't doing enough), is currently locking up more people for longer than ever before, it's not for nothing that our prisons are quite literally overflowing. So does prison work? It doesn't appear so. I should also add that haven't been in prison either but I have a sneaky feeling that most posters on here would find the experience to be an awfully long way from a soft life.
It's very easy, of course, to say that sentences should be longer or the regime should be tougher but five years in prison is a quarter of a young kids life or maybe even more. Most of us would struggle to understand how that can possibly fail to be a deterrent to anyone and I think that we need to take into account that deterrence is a relative consideration. That is to say that five years in prison for me, five years away from my comfortable home and secure family environment is a far more severe deterrent than five years away from a poverty ridden ghetto in Peckham.
Rather than making the alternative to freedom look much more threatening we somehow have to find a way to make the alternative to prison look a lot more appealing.
- I'm not against some crimes meaning life, quite literally.
I'm not so sure just how 'free' we should be with that concept tho, particularly when it comes to individuals who are little more than very immature children.
Originally posted by spymaster
You stated that the only people you have encountered who actualy felt life was better in prison than outside, were homless?
Timeless & Sminkey you both seem to be under the impresion that the government are "hard on crime" and the prisons are hell holes..hahahaha.
Prison security categories for men
All male prisoners are given a security categorisation when they enter prison. These categories are based on the likelihood that they’ll try to escape, and the danger to the public if they did escape. The four categories are:
category A - prisoners whose escape would be highly dangerous to the public or national security
category B - prisoners who don’t require maximum security, but for whom escape needs to be made very difficult
category C - prisoners who can’t be trusted in open conditions but who are unlikely to try to escape
category D - prisoners who are trusted enough to wander freely but must show up for daily roll calls
I take it we are talking about the same government, who only two weeks ago asked the judges to "stop " sending people to jail because they are overcrowded.
Thats hardly being tough on crime is it?
Brits On The Edge
Updated: 08:42, Wednesday October 22, 2003
Britons are healthier, wealthier and live in a safer society but stress is undoing those feel-good factors and making people miserable, a survey suggests.
Research has found that nearly four million Britons suffer from anxiety, depression or bad nerves - a rise of 60% from 2.4 million a decade ago.
Most people believe that modern life makes them less happy than they used to be, turning Britain into an "anxiety society".
But the authors of a new book, Complicated Lives, say many anxieties are based on myths because people worry about things such as crime getting worse when in fact they are improving.
Politicians are partly to blame for "talking up" issues of concern and the media was guilty of "embellishing" stories which heightened anxieties.
"People have absorbed a host of depressing falsehoods about modern life and that's not good for anybody," said William Nelson, the book's co-author.
"Gloom-mongers might get short-term benefit, but at the cost of being taken seriously in the long run. All these institutions need to stop exploiting their authority and start earning it."
No i dont believe the statistics that this government hand out when things get heated or there is a new poll coming up.
Sminkey you asked, "do i think that from the village bobby to the top of the chain are lying and cheating", yesterday i answere yes, heres one reason why:
A police officer has admitted giving false evidence at a trial.
And here is anothertaken from daily mail 3-02-07)
Tony Blair is facing fresh questions over his finances after it emerged that he and his wife Cherie are buying another house - their fifth property.
Despite owing around £4million on the four properties they already own, the Blairs have borrowed even more to buy their new property, taking their mortgage debts towards the £5million mark.
The news once again raises the question of just how the Blairs can afford their property investments, which will soon involve mortgage repayments of up to £20,000 per month.
Homeowners will also be intrigued as to how the Blairs have been able to borrow the equivalent of 25 times the Prime Minister’s salary.
Do you relly believe that this government has control of crime?
Do you really believe those figures that you so readily keep refering to?
No government is going to say whats going on in the "real world" 100%, i know that, but i dont like being lied to so blatantly , when i can see what is really happening, and they try to lie and cheat their way out a whole heap of s**t, by publishing some made up figures that look rosey.
Originally posted by ubermunche
I have a problem with that Smikey in that even if they are little more than immature children they can and do commit the most corrosive and awful acts, usually inflicted on innocent members of society. Also in many cases the reaon people remain immature is because they are never called to account for their actions.
Well the whole thing is problematic, none of it is usually straight-forward or easy.
Do we accept the concept of an age of responsibility or not?
Some do and some don't.
Having known many children (of all ages) in my life I find the idea of insisting they are all always aware and fully conscious of the nature of their actions and the consequences arising from them totally unrealistic and not credible.
Others disagree. Thankfully we're free to disagree on this.
Originally posted by ubermunche
I'm concerned by the direction these discussions always seem to take