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Originally posted by Caustic Logic
Plane parts shown later, but still startingly little evidence of a plane crash, at least all in one spot. Reports of debris for miles, as if they had shot it down - which I find a better than 50/50 likelihood. There could be a cover-up since as people point out, it would have a cloud in the sky too trailing down. And guess whose magic photo show's that there was no such cloud?
Hmmm... No wonder people are all over this. I sense possible smoking gun, possible honeytrap, but I'm intrigued.
Originally posted by nick7261This is where it gets interesting. A photo of her business is shown, and it's named JCM Industries. A Google search of JCM Industries turns up an SEC filing for Commercial National Financial Corp.
Here's a link to the filing:
In this filing, a John McClatchey is listed as a director of Commercial National Financial Group since 1990. This SEC filing also states that JCM Industries filed for bankruptcy on Sept. 20, 2001, just 9 days after 9/11. Within 6 months, the chapter 11 filing was converted to a Chapter 7 liquidation, and National Financial Group was listed as a creditor.
The real kicker is that National Finanical Group stock was at its all-time low of about $14 a share just before 9/11/01. And then the stock doubled in price within a year after 9/11.
Here's a link to the stock at yahoo finance:
Originally posted by nick7261Val McClatchey's entire story seems to be problematic:
1) How could the crash on the opposite side of a hill knock her off of her sofa?
2) How could she then get her digital camera, turn it one, go back outside, focus the camera, and take a photo in 5 seconds?
3) Why didn't she take more than one photo?
4) Why didn't she make the photo public right away?
5) Why did she claim that 9/11 caused her business to go bankrupt, when in fact the bankruptcy case was filed 9 days after 9/11? It takes more than 9 days to prepare a bankruptcy filing for a small business.
6) Why was the stock price of Commerical National Financial Corp at an all-time low prior to 9/11? What fundamental ecominic change caused this company to double in value in the year after 9/11
From the 9/11 Commission Report
9:34 an Air National Guard C130H takes off in the Washington DC area (from what specific location is unknown). This ANG plane is allowed to take-off 8 minutes after the FAA ground stop was called. And, yes, I understand that we are talking about FAA and military differences - I'm sure there's some extremely critical reason a cargo plane needed to take off allegedly to do nothing more than fly to Minnesota - in the middle of all hell breaking loose.
From Susan Mcelwain, eyewitness
"There's no way I imagined this plane - it was so low it was virtually on top of me. It was white with no markings but it was definitely military, it just had that look.
"It had two rear engines, a big fin on the back like a spoiler on the back of a car and with two upright fins at the side. I haven't found one like it on the internet. It definitely wasn't one of those executive jets. The FBI came and talked to me and said there was no plane around.
"Then they changed their story and tried to say it was a plane taking pictures of the crash 3,000ft up.
"But I saw it and it was there before the crash and it was 40ft above my head. They did not want my story - nobody here did."
o.p. by JMC5499
I'm not ignoring you Icarus. I'm trying to find your damned plane. It sounds familiar to me.
Originally posted by nick7261
A John McClatchey, an owner of JCM Enterprises, sits on the board of publicly traded Commercial National Financial Group, a bank holding company whose stock is at an all-time low prior to 9/11, and then doubles within a year after 9/11.
How could the crash on the opposite side of a hill knock her off of her sofa?
How could she then get her digital camera, turn it one, go back outside, focus the camera, and take a photo in 5 seconds?
Why didn't she take more than one photo?
* Why didn't she make the photo public right away?
* Why did she claim that 9/11 caused her business to go bankrupt, when in fact the bankruptcy case was filed 9 days after 9/11?
What fundamental ecominic change caused this company to double in value in the year after 9/11
I mention this because Latrobe/Greensburg is the home of another prominent, and shadowy political figure, Richard Mellon Scaife.
Considering nothing else makes much sense, how far-fetched is it that the C-130H could have been the source of the debris at either the Pentagon or the Flight 93 site?
, and why debris drifted a couple miles away to Indian Lake
This would also explain why the FAA was so anxious to evacuate the control towers that could have spotted the C-130 on radar.
The McClatchey photo makes it look like the crash was right over the hillside. No chance.
I never thought of it in that aspect. How come there arent any photos of flight 93? Why isn't there any photos of wreckage?
crashed to the ground shouldn't the photo show a continual column of smoke and flame not just one puff of smoke?
Could the explosion she heard be the engine hit by the cannon fire of the F-16's that shot down 93?
Where did it end up? Now that is a good question.
if the government was controlling FLight 93, why did they shoot it down, or hide it and plant debris, when they could've just crashed it?
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
A jetliner loaded with fuel is struck by missiles or cannon fire and explodes in mid-air (maybe the source of the booms described by witnesses). How much is going to be left to fall to the ground? We are talking a massive fireball from the jet fuel exploding.
But the government would be understandably reluctant to admit what they had done. So they have the A-10 drop a bomb in the field (three minutes later) to make it look like the plane was taken over by the passengers (very noble and patriotic) but crashed by the hijackers (those dirty, rotten terrorists).
I know, this scenario is as full of holes as the official version