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Topic started on 10-12-2003 @ 10:51 AM by EastCoastKid
Peak oil. What does that mean exactly? It means at the current rate of world energy consumption, the world is on track to run out of oil by 2037. Some go further, saying the U.S. government has fudged studies and that we will actually see the end of it by 2010 - or even by 2004. Oil reserves on this planet are finite. Extraction is becoming more and more costly. World consumption is growing at a rate that will soon eclipse the ability of any government to satisfy demand. Our lives - at least in the West - are bound like a siamese twin to the oil economy. What does this mean to nations who, for two to four generations have lived life based on a gasoline-fueled society? If the spigets ran dry tomorrow, what would actually happen?
Two things leap to mind immediately. Food (farming) and transport. For years now, the government has systematically bought out small farms and consolidated the industry, not to mention importing foods that we should and could be growing here. All hail "free trade." In order to feed our population, food must be transported to every corner of this nation from the opposite corner. Gone are the days of local production on a big enough scale to feed the people. In order to get the food to market, transfer trucks must be fueled to make the journey. If the oil ran out tomorrow, we would have a crisis on our hands. Stores would, at least, temporarily run out of stock. As a result people would go hungry and the accompanying crime and looting would occur. This could fall under the auspices of instituting martial law - at least in certain harder hit areas.
The other problem, that would literally throw our society back at least 100 years is the fact that we are so suburbanized now. Think of the average person's commute to work. We are a nation held captive to sprawl. If the oil ran out, a multitude of people would become quickly unemployed because of their inability to get to work. That is a scary prospect. The determined among us would have to ride a bike or a horse or walk incredibly long distances. It would be a nightmare. How many of us think about these possibilites? It seems no one in the mainstream media will even begin to broach this subject.
We must be out of our collective minds not to demand of our leaders a new energy policy - NOW! Before the axe falls. And it will! It is only a matter of time. We know there are alternative forms of fuel. And we also know that the big oil, transporation and military interests have done everything in their power to suppress the alternatives. If we don't do something about this now, if we don't put an end to this suicidal energy policy, we will all suffer untold misery when the oil runs dry. Everyone will suffer!

Write, call, email and fax your congressmen and Senators and demand they focus their energies on finding and implementing alternative forms of fuel. Our whole way of life depends on it.




Here's an accompanying article from the Guardian:

Bottom of the barrel

The world is running out of oil - so why do politicians refuse to talk about it?

Tuesday December 2, 2003
The Guardian

The oil industry is buzzing. On Thursday, the government approved the development of the biggest deposit discovered in British territory for at least 10 years. Everywhere we are told that this is a "huge" find, which dispels the idea that North Sea oil is in terminal decline. You begin to recognise how serious the human predicament has become when you discover that this "huge" new field will supply the world with oil for five and a quarter days.

Every generation has its taboo, and ours is this: that the resource upon which our lives have been built is running out. We don't talk about it because we cannot imagine it. This is a civilisation in denial.

the rest:
www.fromthewilderness.com...


reply posted on 10-12-2003 @ 11:37 AM by EastCoastKid
Yes, there are other forms of fuel. But they are being suppressed by the powers that be. That is why we must demand that our representatives be responsive to the people not the powerful interests. Also, we have to start right now to develop these alternatives so that in the future they are not so expensive and hard to work with.

There is ample proof that the world's oil reserves are quickly dwindling and demand is growing. Take China, for example, their population is rapidly increasing and their demand for oil is ever rising. That puts China and the West in direct competition for remaining reserves. War with them will be the unavoidable outcome. Our governments will not share. Look at what happened with regard to Iraq. The Neo-Cons in the Bush administration decided - long before 2000 - that they must shore up those reserves as a national security strategy. Forget that bogus shyte about WMD. That was a ploy - as described by Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. He basically said, "It's the oil, stupid."

Take a look at Mike Ruppert's site From the Wilderness:
www.fromthewilderness.com...
He has thoroughly covered this issue of Peak Oil. The site is a tremendous resource for anyone wishing to understand the depth and gravity of this problem.

I don't know about ya'll, but I fought in the last Gulf War, now my little bro. is gonna have to go to Iraq and this is all so tragic and unnecessary. We're blowing our nation's blood and treasure to enrich a small group of elites who would rather sell humanity down the river than give up their power. It's time to hold our leaders accountable for putting our nation in such jeapardy


reply posted on 11-12-2003 @ 09:02 AM by LAW
This thread has mentioned China a few times and I suspect that there is a full on trade war happening as a land grab behind the scenes that's not making it to the publics attention.

Below are some headlines that I have saved over the last two months. After reading this you may see that the politics and greed has already started


(From THE FAR EASTERN ECONOMIC REVIEW)


China Diverts Dollars To Buy Oil

Although still intervening heavily in the foreign-exchange market,
in the last few months China has radically scaled back its purchases of
United States bonds.

In September, Chinese institutions were actually net
sellers of U.S. government and agency debt by $2.8 billion, even though foreign
reserves rose by $19 billion. (sold agencies)

Now, economists and market strategists are beginning to wonder what Beijing is
doing with all the dollars it is buying.
Chinese state media provided a partial answer in early December,
reporting that Beijing plans to build up a 90-day, 50-million-tonne strategic
oil reserve.

At current crude prices of around $30 a barrel, that will cost
China $10 billion. Bankers and brokers in Hong Kong predict further
large purchases of strategic materials, together with the possible acquisition
of equity stakes in overseas suppliers over the coming year.


If pursued, China's diversification away from U.S. government bonds will be bad
news for Washington, which has relied heavily on China's debt purchases to fund
its fiscal and current-account deficits. In Asia, some economists even say
Washington had it coming, suggesting that the switch


This could develope to full trade war;


Steelmaker warns west of exports from China
By Rebecca Bream
Published: November 30 2003 22:15 | Last Updated: November 30 2003 22:15


Lakshmi Mittal, the owner of the world's second largest steel company, will warn
western steelmakers on Monday that China represents the biggest threat to their
livelihoods and substantial consolidation is required if they are to survive.



China "firmly opposes" US quota move
( 2003-11-19 14:25) (chinadaily.com.cn/Agencies)



China firmly opposed the US move to slap new import quotas on textile products
from China, a spokesman for the Ministry of Commerce said in Beijing Wednesday.

"The Chinese government expresses deep regret and firmly opposes this decision,"
said Chong Quan, spokesman for the Ministry of Commerce. He hinted that China
may take the issue up with the World Trade Organisation.

China Scraps Soybean Visit as Textile Makers Seek Retaliation

Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Chinese trade officials scrapped a
visit to the U.S. to meet soybean sellers this week, raising
concern the government may retaliate after the Bush administration
placed curbs on some textile imports.



China Planning Military Space Force
BEIJING (SAPA) -- China is researching lasers and missiles that could attack satellites as part of a planned "deterrent" space force, said officials quoted by state media on Monday.

The success of Shenzhou V, China's first manned space mission, means, "Chinese people have already obtained the key to commanding the heights of space," a People's Liberation Army (PLA) official involved in the Shenzhou V project told the weekly China Business Post.




Bush's Bad Currency

President Bush is embarking on his six-day Asian trip just as the world economy
shows marked improvement. Japan, Singapore and Hong Kong are recovering from
slumps, and even moribund Germany shows signs of life. The biggest threat to all
of this would be if China and Japan take Mr. Bush's advice to manipulate their
allegedly "undervalued" exchange rates. The President is playing election year
politics here but he's also playing with fire.


Commission Advises Congress on Chinaâ s Currency, Industrial Policies
------------------------------------------------------------------------

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Bob Bean â 202-624-1452

October15,2003


Web site: www.uscc.gov


Today the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission sent findings and
recommendations to the Congressional Leadership for addressing aspects of
Chinaâ s exchange rate and industrial policies that are harming U.S. exporters
and U.S. manufacturing competitiveness. The Commission held a hearing on
September 25, 2003 examining â Chinaâ s Industrial, Investment, and Exchange
Rate Policies: Impact on the U.S.â The Commission developed its findings and
recommendations after weighing the testimony of Members of the House and Senate,
economists, academics, and representatives of business and labor.


China Imposes Limits On Foreign Investors - FT
2003-10-09 18:51 (New York)



NEW YORK (Dow Jones)--Worried about possible currency speculation by
investment banks, China during the last month has stalled the expansion
of a
plan to attract foreign investment funds into its domestic capital
markets, The
Financial Times reported Thursday, citing bankers.
The central government has approved substantially lower amounts than
investment banks had applied for, significantly restricting the amounts
the
banks can put into the market on behalf of their clients, the paper
reported on
its Web site.


China Orders 3 Mln Tons of U.S. Soybeans to Boost Stockpile
2003-09-25 00:00 (New York)

China Orders 3 Mln Tons of U.S. Soybeans to Boost Stockpile

Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- China, the world's biggest
soybean buyer, placed new orders for about 3 million metric
tons of the oilseed for delivery from the middle of November
to December to boost its stockpile, the government said.
China boosted purchases because buyers anticipate
prices will rise further in the coming months, the China
National Grain & Oils Information Center, a state grain
bureau affiliate, said in a report.


reply posted on 11-12-2003 @ 10:30 AM by riffraffalunas
Originally posted by EastCoastKid
Great roundup LAW!

The U.S. is on a disasterous course. The end of this road we're riding ends in the Mid-East, the U.S. facing off against Russia AND China. It's inevitable. We all need the remaining oil to fuel our militaries and societies.

Americans can either wake up now and change the current leadership, which will only stave off the inevitable, really; prepare for economic meltdown in every way we can; or, remain in complete denial - or simply in the dark.

The writing is on the wall for anyone willing to read it.

~~xx~~

EastCoastKid & LAW...both good inputs...but the rather large topic, having many chapters, is not so easily condensed...

...indeed, the world is changing...but Deans' ideas are not so radical from todays same-old-same-old...his is just another different face...reciting the refrains of old

I'm noticing that diesels are getting more ubiquitous (as opposed to the MPG & 'fleet' guidelines that have been co-opted from relevancy) AND THATS A START...for the [end of the world, as we know it] new world era...

I'm noticing that the USA, after losing the textiles, manufacturing, steel, and various communication-services to less expensive overseas providers...
is evolving into a two tier system: haves & havenots,

technitions & service industry personnel, servicing the needs of the executive/political/techocrats

just watch as the contrived energy shortage; causes more aggressions, majorchanges in american lifestyles, etc.

I;m expecting the USA to increase its market share of war armaments...Assume unilateral police powers to contain & destroy(proven or suspected) chemical & biological caches, starting first with 'terrorist states' and then world-wide-->this would be 'above soverenty' !!

yes guys, theres a lot that bush administration, & neo-cons, PNAC, are plowing forward with, rightly? or wrongly?...and the Muslim/Islamic Revival is the wildcard, the chaos element, that was not recognized...ever since the start of modern terrorism at the munich olympiad.

what else ya'll got, beyond FEER & Rense.com?? and the other usual list of culprits??

enjoy the journey
riff raff


reply posted on 11-12-2003 @ 10:52 AM by xenongod
Originally posted by Bob88
so, we may possibly run out of oil in 20 days

the corn fuel is talked about here in my state a bit. They had something on NPR about this not so long ago. Using corn gas as a transition fuel until hyrdogen.

I agree, in part, with Rant here: How long have we been almost out of oil? But, Rant, why pick on the SUV owners? I mean, my commute adds up to over 400 miles a week. That is on top of other times that I drive. What about an SUV owner who doesn't drive that much, at all? I think we should be killing the commuters like myself


Do you remember Gasahol?...they used it widely in the gas crunch of the late 70s to early 80s...it is made from corn. My father was on the team of scientists that help develop the means of producing and refining it. There are a whole bunch of alternative fuels that can be made.
I too rely on my car for a livelihood...no gas would mean no income from my primary job for me. Although I drive a car that gets 20 mpg...which isn't too bad...I would regret owning an Expedition that go only 7 mpg...sheeesh.

Right now there is a race goin' on to the Caspian Sea...with pipelines planned from there to the Persian Gulf..the other to the Mediterranean Sea. Take notice of all of the countries that lie within those boundaries..and who is at war...think about it. The American government just OKed not too long ago to hand over millions of acres of protected national forests to the drilling and exploration of oil and natural gas...there is gonna be pumpers all around us soon. But..since it is National Forest...no one owns the land...no one to profit..except for the oil companies....EGADS!!
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