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Newz Forum: HOCKEY: Little progress on new NHL deal

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posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 06:43 PM
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NEW YORK (AP) - The NHL and the Players' Association had their longest negotiating session in nine months on Wednesday, and the league presented six possible concepts for a new economic system.
 

Little progress was made on a new deal, but the representatives met for four hours in the league's Manhattan office to try to come up with a plan that would prevent a lockout next season. It was the fourth meeting since negotiations began last October. Bill Daly, the NHL's chief legal officer, said talks were substantive and that there was a detailed discussion on at least some of the proposed ideas. He added that NHLPA negotiators requested more information that the league will provide before the parties meet again Aug. 4 in Toronto.


"We want to make sure, in fairness to the process, we fully understand everything they're considering and putting forth so maybe we can look at that and find different ways to address the issues," said Ted Saskin, the Players' Association senior director.


Since the first negotiating session, the league and the Players' Association met in Toronto in April and again in May at the Stanley Cup finals. Those meetings totaled six hours.


"I would say it was the most substantive in terms of information provided and concepts discussed," Daly said of Wednesday's session. "It's all a process, and you have to continue to work hard at the progress. Hopefully at the end of the day that produces good results."


The current deal, extended twice since it was hammered out in 1995, expires Sept. 15. If a new agreement isn't reached, a lockout that could threaten the entire season is expected.


"It's hard to take a snapshot at any point in the process and say you're optimistic, pessimistic, whatever," Daly said. "You just continue to work toward a goal."


But Saskin said the goal can't be reached if the NHL doesn't change its position of demanding a hard salary cap. He said that having discussions is better than not, but there has to be some change in the philosophical differences to prevent a lockout.


"We've approached each meeting thus far in the process with a desire to negotiate a fair deal," Saskin said. "Unfortunately we need to have a negotiating partner with more objectives. They have only one view of how they want to do things and that hasn't enabled us to advance the negotiations."


NHL commissioner Gary Bettman has vowed on behalf of the owners to work out a deal with the union that will radically change the financial landscape. He is determined to make sure the percentage of revenues paid out in player salaries is sliced, and to establish "cost certainty" for clubs. An economic study commissioned by the NHL found that players get 76 percent of all league revenues, far more than the percentage for the other major team sports. The Players' Association has challenged many of the league's financial findings. Daly said that each of the new concepts was designed to address the league's cost-certainty objectives but not all the ideas involved a mandatory link between revenues and player costs.


"We had some spirited discussions but I can't say that we made any progress," he said. "Each (concept) is predicated on agreeing to a negotiated percentage for player compensation, i.e., a salary cap. So there hasn't been any change from that perspective. They remain fixated on a cap and we remain committed to negotiating a fair agreement that retains a marketplace."


In previous discussions, the NHLPA has countered the idea of a salary cap with a proposal of a luxury tax, a percentage rollback in player salaries, changes in entry-level salaries and revenue sharing.


Bettman has said owners will wait as long as necessary to achieve their goals. If so, the next lockout could be worse than the one that lasted 103 days and cut the 1994-95 season nearly in half. Owners have been preparing for that possibility for the last several years, and have built up a $300 million war chest. But that won't be enough to protect many NHL employees who found out Tuesday that their jobs are in jeopardy if a lockout takes place. Bernadette Mansur, the NHL's group vice president of communications, said over 50 percent of NHL employees in New York, New Jersey, Toronto and Montreal will be laid off on Sept. 20 if a new CBA isn't reached by the 16th.


Those who work until the 20th will receive a severance package, plus vacation compensation and extended medical benefits.


"We hope that we'll never have to implement this contingency plan, but our employees need to know the details so they can plan the future," Mansur said. "It's all departments and it's all levels in all departments."


Those hardest hit would be the ones that are game-related, such as the credentialing and broadcasting departments.




posted on Jul, 21 2004 @ 10:10 PM
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This isn't great news from the hockey world.


I cant stand to think of the ramifications if indeed there is a lockout come September.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:15 PM
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We'll have to spend more time with our families.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:26 PM
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I have a solution to this problem. Introduce Lee Harvey Oswald to Bob Goodenow. That's not a joke. He's representing millionaires that want to get richer.
I don't want to go back to the old days where the owners have TOTAL control but what's wrong with a Salary Cap? Works perfectly well in the NFL. Is there a league in the world that can compete with the NFL? Yearly.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:28 PM
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Salary cap, with penalties for going over it. Why don't these guys get it?



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by Karlsberg
Salary cap, with penalties for going over it. Why don't these guys get it?


Goodenow, he must die, or at least get a case of Diharehea so bad that he can't stand in front of the camera.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by truenorth

Originally posted by Karlsberg
Salary cap, with penalties for going over it. Why don't these guys get it?


Goodenow, he must die, or at least get a case of Diharehea so bad that he can't stand in front of the camera.


LMAO!!!

Yeah, I don't understand why other leagues don't go with the salary cap. And revenue sharing. There is no other league as competitive as the NFL is now. And it's friggin awesome, exciting every year, and most teams still have a shot towards the end of the season.

Baseball should take note, too.



posted on Jul, 22 2004 @ 09:03 PM
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I wouldn't mind Goodenow getting diarrhea. It's not that hard to figure out. They are already loaded and don't need more cash.



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