M16 may be in trouble, page 1

M16 may be in trouble, page 1

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Topic started on 22-11-2003 @ 06:17 PM by PARALYZ

This is a shocker....Yikes!
story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/20031122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_goodbye_m_16

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:23 PM by jetsetter

Link does not work. Please fix it.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:26 PM by PARALYZ

story.news.yahoo.com.../ap/20031122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_goodbye_m_16

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:27 PM by MrRadicalEd

Consequently, the M-4 is an unlikely candidate for the rearming of the U.S. Army. It is now viewed as an interim solution until the introduction of a more advanced design known as the Objective Individual Combat Weapon, or OICW.

There is no date set for the entry into service of the OICW, but officers in Iraq say they expect its arrival sooner than previously expected because of the problems with the M-16 and the M-4.

Its about time, but I thought the military dropped the OICW project.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:30 PM by jetsetter

No they have not. It should be out in a few years.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:33 PM by PARALYZ

What do ya think will replace it though,if it truly happens?G36?

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:45 PM by Firebird

Nice find man i havent hear this before. What will they do with all of the m16 now?

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:45 PM by Firebird

Nice find man i havent hear this before. What will they do with all of the m16 now?

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:50 PM by PARALYZ

First i hear of it too Firebird.I figured it'd still have at least another decade of service life left before a replacment would be considered.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 06:53 PM by RedDragon

The M-16 has been on its way out for a while. As the GWII veteran said, it was the last nail for the coffin. Here are some good links about its possible replacement, the OICW:
www.fas.org...
"Objective Individual Combat Weapon (OICW) will be a light weight weapon capable of firing kinetic energy projectiles and an air-bursting fragmentation munition. It will allow soldiers to effectively attack targets at greater ranges, and to attack targets in defilade. It combines leading edge technologies in miniaturized fuzing; integrated fire control; light weight, high strength materials; and munitions effects. OICW will increase the lethality and survivability of the individual soldier. It is the sole lethality component of the Dismounted Battle Lab's 21st Century Land Warrior (21 CLW) Top Level Demonstration."
www.hkpro.com...
Has lots of pictures.
www.dean.usma.edu...
Basic site
www.popularmechanics.com...
Popular Mechanics Article

In a nutshell:
-looks really futuristic
-M29
-Cal. 5.56mm x 45/20mm
-I think about 30 inches long, not sure though.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 07:11 PM by PARALYZ

Super cool.Gonna hafta trim a few pounds off though.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 07:18 PM by sweatmonicaIdo

I for one find this shocking, as the M-16A2 is an absolute gem.

But at the same time, I guess it would've happened sooner or later. The M-16 is quite a complicated machine and the fact that until recently it hasn't been widely used in combat shows the problems wouldn't be seen unless they fire A LOT of rounds.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 07:23 PM by Halfbread

Man, I wouldn't want to cary that bulky thing around. An M-4 and scope will do just fine!!

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 07:40 PM by THENEO

Often the problem is using the wrong weapon for the job which many here at ATS very correctly discussed before.

If this weapon is that old then it needs to be rethought for sure but it may be useful in other roles still.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 07:59 PM by WeBDeviL

The OICW should turn out fine. Yes, it is on the bulky side, but look at what it comes with:

1) Assault Rifle
2) attached to the assault rifle (underneath) is a handgun
3) Underneath that is a knife
4) Flashlight on top of the assault rifle
5) Laser pointing device on top of the assault rifle
6) Scope

It all comes in one, and they all can come apart, they click together. I for one, am all for this project. Go OICW!

-wD

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 08:08 PM by Halfbread

All the bells and whistles are nice but, believe me after being in full battle rattle for a year straight, that thing would get on your nerves. As long as it shoots accurately and doesn't jam it's fine. If they want to go with HK they should go with like the MP-5 or something. Small and fully auto....or other models in 308 and 9 mil.

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 08:14 PM by DJDOHBOY

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 08:20 PM by Halfbread

try this HK on for size
www.goingfaster.com...

reply posted on 22-11-2003 @ 08:47 PM by jetsetter

I am pretty sure that the regular soldier will get the rifle par of the OICW and fewer soldiers will get the 20mm part. It will be like the heavy machine gunner.

reply posted on 23-11-2003 @ 12:19 AM by jetsetter

Well here is the replacement for the old 50cal. Pretty cool eh?

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