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Topic started on 5-12-2006 @ 09:08 PM by foreskin_of_liberty
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I have been watching Chemtrails for the past year now, but i do not know what there real purpose is. I have read many different reasons why they are
done, what does a mixture of heavy metals and calcium do to the body?
I would also like to add, i became convinces or chemtrails after seeing to US tankers flying in formation at night spraying and a few minutes later
coming the opposite way still in formation spraying. A hour later the sky was riddled with numerous chemtrails
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reply posted on 5-12-2006 @ 11:09 PM by PisTonZOR
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I do not know the main purpose, I don't even beleive in chemtrails.
BUT from what I've heard, the purposes of chemtrails include:
Population Control
HAARP research
Weather control
Reflecting UV light
To stop global warming
I would also like to add, i became convinces or chemtrails after seeing to US tankers flying in formation at night spraying and a few minutes later
coming the opposite way still in formation spraying. A hour later the sky was riddled with numerous chemtrails 
How do you know they were US tankers? And how do you know it wasn't completely diferant planes just flying through the same Jet way?
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reply posted on 8-12-2006 @ 12:40 AM by foreskin_of_liberty
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what would be the reason to circle around numerous times? and there not following the commercial flight paths
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reply posted on 8-12-2006 @ 05:18 AM by Essan
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On of the problems with the chemtrail conspiracy theory is that there seems to be no general agreement on what is being sprayed nor why this spraying
is being carried out.
Makes it rather difficult then to prove one way of the other ...... Maybe it's time for the conspiracy believers to sort themselves out and finally
decide exactly what it is that they believe in?
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reply posted on 8-12-2006 @ 09:52 AM by Termite197
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Its to keep us sick, to keep buying medicine.
Morgellons?
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reply posted on 8-12-2006 @ 10:18 AM by PisTonZOR
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Originally posted by foreskin_of_liberty
what would be the reason to circle around numerous times? and there not following the commercial flight paths 
Holding patterns or a military exercise containing AWACS aircraft do that, exactly that. What is so weird about that?
AWACS:
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HOLDING PATTERN:
*ARgh, photography website is down. I'll post the pics ASAP.
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reply posted on 15-12-2006 @ 07:14 PM by StellarX
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Originally posted by foreskin_of_liberty
I have been watching Chemtrails for the past year now, but i do not know what there real purpose is. I have read many different reasons why they are
done, 
The real purpose, IMO, is to try discover what electromagnetic forces are being introduced into American skies by foreign powers... America has long
been lost the strategic edge in it's competition with the former USSR and Russia inherited all the means to retain their strategic power without all
the trappings ( the republics and military equipment they no longer needed ) that were only weighting down their economic and political reform
efforts.
You will find the technical details in the work of Tom Bearden and a lay person's summary in the work of
Scott Stevens. It seems Scott just recently typed up a quite extensive summary so start there!
 what does a mixture of heavy metals and calcium do to the body? 
They basically create 'lines' in the sky that can be monitored ( due to their metallic component) by satellite's for hour to hour updates on how
weather systems are being changed or directed. Accurate weather can not longer be fore casted in the US any other way.
 I would also like to add, i became convinces or chemtrails after seeing to US tankers flying in formation at night spraying and a few minutes
later coming the opposite way still in formation spraying. A hour later the sky was riddled with numerous chemtrails 
You are by no means alone and don't be discouraged in your investigations by people who tell you that you are not seeing what you clearly are.
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 04:57 AM by Essan
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Originally posted by StellarX
They basically create 'lines' in the sky that can be monitored ( due to their metallic component) by satellite's for hour to hour updates on how
weather systems are being changed or directed. Accurate weather can not longer be fore casted in the US any other way. 
Eh?
Contrails enable satellites and computer models to measure and forecast atmospheric pressure, temperature and moisture?
Edit: in any case, I though 'chemtrails' usually spread out to form sheets of cirrostratus ....... so there'd be no lines anyway
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 11:13 AM by StellarX
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Originally posted by Essan
Eh?
Contrails enable satellites and computer models to measure and forecast atmospheric pressure, temperature and moisture?  
Once again i think i made it clear that these trails are used to keep track on ARTIFICIAL forces being introduced into the skies above the USA. The
normal equipment obviously still work but predictions based on that assumes that all the forces active in the atmosphere came about by their
interaction with others which has not been the case in the USA since the early 70's.
 "Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with
that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence
community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that
there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months
and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological
one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very
dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise
certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing
some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can
alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves."
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and
that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
The link is apparently down at this time but it did work two weeks ago...
 The director of the Russian geophysical observatory of the Russian Meteorological Service, A.Voyeikov, says that the process of making a weather
forecast for Russia, the USA, Europe and Canada is much more complicated in comparison with other states. "Atmospheric processes are not stable on
these territories, and cyclones may occur absolutely incidentally," Voyeikov said."
Modern technologies unable to predict weather
changes
 Although hurricane forecasting is an inexact science, an investigative series by The Miami Herald suggests it could be considerably more accurate
if the National Hurricane Center's equipment functioned better and its research efforts were bolstered.
The newspaper's study of 45 hurricanes that have struck land since 1992 indicated significant failures of buoys, weather balloons, radar, sensors and
aircraft that hindered the tracking of nearly half of the storms. Forecasters are, in the words of one science officer, "forecasting blind''
because of inadequate funding and -- to a lesser extent -- misallocation of resources.
Budget constraints that grounded the center's uniquely equipped Gulfstream jet, coupled with critical data lost because of computer crashes, may have
caused forecasters to fail to predict damage from Hurricane Katrina in South Florida and delayed evacuation warnings to New Orleans. Missing weather
balloon readings, malfunctioning observation stations and a failure to fly planes equipped to measure wind speeds may have contributed to an inability
to anticipate the power of Hurricane Charley when it shifted course and slammed into Punta Gorda, Fla., killing 35 people.
Hurricane researcher Mike Black told Herald reporter Debbie Cenziper that putting proper equipment in place could improve hurricane tracking by 20
percent and intensity forecasts by 50 percent. That could save lives and many times the needed outlay in economic losses, especially in an era of
increased hurricane activity.
Congress needs to set aside more money for hurricane forecasting, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration needs to do a better of
allocating resources.
Indystar-Forecasting
trouble
So what's wrong with their forecasting abilities and why do they not fix the equipment and or spend the money required to do so as they used to? Do
these systems no longer help in prediction or are they now employing the method i suggested?
They do obviously spread out but as you can see from so many pictures this rarely happens before one can see interesting forces at work in the areas
where these trails appear. If you have not even seen the lines these condensation 'trails' ( yeah) forms then you should not be accusing me of not
studying this topic matter.
Stellar
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:06 PM by paulwilliamaskew
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Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between a "Chemtrail" and a contrail.
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:12 PM by SpeakerofTruth
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I have actually heard a theory that the chemtrails are to reduce the effects of global warming. While that may sound like an altruistic purpose, many
will have a different opinion of it if it is discovere that the chemicals actually contribute to illness and disease.
This is really a subject that never interested me too much, so I am no where near an expert on it.
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:19 PM by paulwilliamaskew
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Condensation of water occurs in the upper atmosphere. This water turns to ice crystals in the upper atmosphere, which then forms Cirrus clouds which
filter the suns radiation. So yes, they may help to prevent global warming. Can someone please tell me what a "Chemtrail" is?
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:48 PM by SpeakerofTruth
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These are chemtrails..
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:50 PM by paulwilliamaskew
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No they are contrails. However there may be a bit of misunderstanding here. Do you think Chemtrails are different from Contrails and if so why and
how?
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 01:54 PM by SpeakerofTruth
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If there is any difference between them,I don't know what it is. However, like I said, this is a subject that never interested me too much, so I
cannot be considered an authority on it.
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reply posted on 16-12-2006 @ 02:05 PM by paulwilliamaskew
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I will make you an expert on them. When a aviation engine burns hydrocarbons it puts out exhaust, this exhaust consists of Carbon Dioxide and Hydrogen
Oxide (Water). This water in the exhaust saturates the air, and then due to the low temperature at 36'000 feet (-50 celcius) it freezes, this is why
there is always a gap between the formation of the trail and the plane, because the water has to cool to freezing point to become visible. So really
the trail behind the aircraft is water vapour that has frozen and is called a contrail (condensation trail).
To put it simply a chemtrail is a phase used by paranoics who feel the aeroplane is spraying them with some form of mind control chemical (or
something else ridiculous along those lines). Just as everything is to them, it is part of a deep and wide ranging world government conspiracy to hide
aliens. When actually it is just water.
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reply posted on 17-12-2006 @ 07:03 PM by StellarX
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Originally posted by paulwilliamaskew
I will make you an expert on them. 
No one can make anyone else a expert on anything and since when do you have a to be a expert to arrive at the truth? Experts may have the odds on
their side but heck i did not see the experts of 1000 BC come up aircraft carriers now did i? A 'expert' is nothing but what the establishment of
the time calls someone that agrees with their current conventions on what reality seems to be at the time; which really is not saying much taking into
account the history of the sciences.
 When a aviation engine burns hydrocarbons it puts out exhaust, this exhaust consists of Carbon Dioxide and Hydrogen Oxide (Water). This water
in the exhaust saturates the air, and then due to the low temperature at 36'000 feet (-50 celcius) it freezes, this is why there is always a gap
between the formation of the trail and the plane, because the water has to cool to freezing point to become visible. 
Well here is a few 'experts' who do not agree with this view...
 Keeping these caveats in mind, the following major results have been obtained from the model simulations described in this paper.
* Long-lived contrails cannot be explained by the amount of water emitted by the aircraft. Although we have not performed a simulation in an
atmosphere that is subsaturated with respect to ice, it is quite obvious (in comparing results from runs 3 and 8) that persistent contrails can only
form in an atmosphere that is supersaturated with respect to ice.
ams.allenpress.com...(1998)055%3C0796:LESOC%3E2.0.CO%3B2
So according to at least this paper the ammount of water in the exhaust just does not play a part in contrail formation and such formation are in fact
mostly related to the RH factor.
 So really the trail behind the aircraft is water vapour that has frozen and is called a contrail (condensation trail). 
Agreed and this i why i believe the following to be accurate.
 One unique type of cloud is manmade. Contrails occur when exhaust from jet engines condenses. A narrow line of moisture makes up the contrail.
Winds eventually dissipate it; in some instances conditions permit the contrail to survive for many minutes (their straight lines do distort).
Contrails are believed to affect weather by raising both short and long-term temperatures (one estimate is for about a third of a degree per decade).
Here is a MODIS image taken over the southeast U.S. on January 29, 2004 showing a large number of contrails (at times more than 2000 planes are over
the North American continent at any one time):
rst.gsfc.nasa.gov...
 The condensation trails (contrails) that form in the wake of high-flying jets are another interesting example. These cylindrical clouds have
variable lifetimes and water concentrations depending on environmental conditions. In some cases the contrails can persist for many minutes. But they
do slowly diffuse, much like the smoke plume emitted by an acrobatic aircraft.
www.sciam.com...
 Contrails are linear cloud features comprised primarily of ice crystals that are produced from the emission of water vapor and particulates from
jet aircraft exhaust into ambient air. Contrails form as a result of the relatively warm aircraft exhausts mixing with the cold ambient air of the
middle and upper troposphere. Since most aircraft cruise at altitudes of between 10 and 13 km (typically the 300–100-mb layer), the temperature at
contrail level is typically -40°C or colder (Beckwith 1972; Gayet et al. 1996). As a result, most water droplets are thought to freeze spontaneously
after contrail formation (Pilie and Jiusto 1958; Boin and Levkov 1994). Once a contrail is produced it typically will last only a short time if the
ambient humidity is low, and may never be evident from ground level. Only during a unique range of favorable conditions will contrails persist and
spread, both horizontally and vertically, producing a cloudlike sky.
ams.allenpress.com...(1997)036%3C1211:AEMTPW%3E2.0.CO%3B2
 To put it simply a chemtrail is a phase used by paranoics who feel the aeroplane is spraying them with some form of mind control chemical (or
something else ridiculous along those lines). 
Actually the term are used by hundreds of thousands of people to mean at least a dozen different things and most of these people are regular people
who noticed that instead of blue sky summers they are now getting overcast summer days a few hours after multiple planes flew over....
 Just as everything is to them, it is part of a deep and wide ranging world government conspiracy to hide aliens. When actually it is just
water. 
If you think the persistency of condensation trails have anything to do with the amount of water emitted by the aircraft ( to say nothing of where you
believe this water comes from) you are rather badly informed and should probably reconsider pointing your fingers in so many directions.
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