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North Korea tests bio-arms on disabled, political prisoners

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posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 02:55 AM
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As reported by Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin, investigation's are beginning to uncover that North Korea is planning to execute another nuclear test early next year, but most surprisingly is also currently expanding it's biological warfare program. This according to Britain's MI6 secret security service. Tests are being conducted in underground laboratories, with the above ground institute protected by three battalions of troops.
 



worldnetdaily.com
Not only is North Korea planning to carry out a second nuclear test early next year, according to Britain's MI6 secret security service, but it is also expanding its biological warfare program with thousands of people, including the disabled, dwarves and political prisoners as the guinea pigs.

An MI6 report reveals "a wide variety of chemical and germ agent experiments are conducted in an area north of Pyongyang known as 'Ward 49.' It consists of a dozen camps, equipped with laboratories. As well as prisoners incarcerated for speaking out against the regime, the camps hold thousands of people said to be 'disabled.' These include dwarves. They receive only the minimum of food to keep them alive for experiments."

The experiments are conducted by staff employed at Institute 398 located at Sogram-ri province in the south of Pyongyang province. A sign of its importance is revealed by recent satellite photographs showing the Institute ring-fenced by three battalions of troops. There were previously two.


Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Well, there you have it. The silence has been deafening as "talks" resume. But now, it appears that much more is going on down there than first suspected. Is Kim no better than Saddam? It appears not.

Using disabled persons and prisoners for WMD test's is utterly inhumane. But since Kim has had no issue starving his peoples so that he can pursue his political directions, why not use a few of the less fortunate to progress his defense structure.




posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 03:30 AM
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I wont believe it...remember what british intelligence said last time about WMDs in Iraq? I wont buy it until its confirmed by another source.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 04:21 AM
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One large Bomb on Kim's house can probably fix it all.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 06:14 AM
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That is shocking.

There is a video, i believe on the internet, that a Japanese journalists gathered footage and evidence of the concentration camps in North Korea.



posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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After doing a little digging, and even though I havent heard much about this before, more info available...



Biological Weapons Overview

An examination of open-source data finds varying assessments concerning North Korea and its purported capabilities in biological weaponry. These estimates can range from North Korea having a rudimentary biological warfare (BW) program, to actual possession of biological weapons already deployed. One recent South Korean Ministry of Defense analysis released to the public have concluded that, without positing which ones, North Korea has weaponized 1-2 BW agents. General Thomas A. Schwartz, Commander of U.S. Forces in Korea (USFK), stated in testimony before the U.S. Senate in March 2002 that "...North Korea has the capability to develop, produce and weaponize biological warfare agents."

According to defector Ch’oe Ju Hwal, a former sergeant in the Korean People's Army, there exists a "Joint Research Institute" that is responsible biological weapons development. This institute is placed within the military-medical department, under command of the General Rear Service Bureau of the Ministry of People’s Armed Forces. Another report suggests a biological research facility associated with the North Korean BW program is located in Sŏngch’ŏn County (成川畈), South P’yongan Province, perhaps near Onjŏng-ri (溫井郲) (also the reported location of a Nuclear and Chemical Defense Bureau training site since 1992). Growth media is reportedly supplied (200 tons per annum) by a facility in Munch’on, Kangwon Province.





NBC News investigation uncovers horrific, extensive atrocities

Jan. 15, 2003 - In the far north of North Korea, in remote locations not far from the borders with China and Russia, a gulag not unlike the worst labor camps built by Mao and Stalin in the last century holds some 200,000 men, women and children accused of political crimes. A month-long investigation by NBC News, including interviews with former prisoners, guards and U.S. and South Korean officials, revealed the horrifying conditions these people must endure — conditions that shock even those North Koreans accustomed to the near-famine conditions of Kim Jong Il’s realm.

“It's one of the worst, if not the worst situation — human rights abuse situation — in the world today,” said Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan., who held hearings on the camps last year. “There are very few places that could compete with the level of depravity, the harshness of this regime in North Korea toward its own people.”

Satellite photos provided by DigitalGlobe, which first appeared in the Far Eastern Economic Review, confirm the existence of the camps, and interviews with those who have been there and with U.S. officials who study the North suggest Brownback’s assessment may be conservative.

At one camp, Camp 22 in Haengyong, some 50,000 prisoners toil each day in conditions that U.S. officials and former inmates say results in the death of 20 percent to 25 percent of the prison population every year.

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“I saw so many poor victims,” she said. “Hundreds of people became victims of biochemical testing. I was imprisoned in 1987 and during the years of 1988 through ’93, when I was released, I saw the research supervisors — they were enjoying the effect of biochemical weapons, effective beyond their expectations — they were saying they were successful.”

She tearfully described how in one instance about 50 inmates were taken to an auditorium and given a piece of boiled cabbage to eat. Within a half hour, they began vomiting blood and quickly died.

President Bush told author and Washington Post Assistant Managing Editor Bob Woodward last year that he was well aware of the camps and the atrocities. That, officials say, partly explains why Bush insisted on North Korea’s inclusion in the “axis of evil” in his 2002 State of the Union address.


I wonder what else we can find out.

[edit on 5-11-2006 by smirkley]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 02:00 PM
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PAH.

Straight-up disinformation.

Planting the seeds to blame the coming flu pandemic on terrorists.

Wotta crock.





posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:00 PM
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North Korea: The Bigger (Non-Nuclear) Threat

Watching the United Nations Security Council grind its way to a compromise resolution on North Korea, it's hard to avoid returning to one question: What took them so long to do something about North Korea's weapons of mass destruction? Over the past 45 years, North Korea has assembled a huge arsenal of mass casualty weapons - namely biological and chemical weapons.
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The consensus among weapons inspectors, intelligence analysts, academics and others I have interviewed—–which is backed up by the available open source material—-is that North Korea has developed anthrax, plague and botulism toxin as weapons and has extensively researched at least six other germs including smallpox and typhoid. It is also believed to have 5,000 tons or more of mustard gas, sarin nerve agent and phosgene (a choking gas). The Center for Nonproliferation Studies says North Korea ranks "amongst the largest possessors of chemical weaponry in the world." South Korea's military estimates half of North's long-range missiles and 30 percent of its artillery are CBW capable.
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So why have we done nothing? Apparently, we have fallen prey to what former weapons inspector Christopher Davis has dubbed "nuclear blindness", which he defines as "the tunnel vision suffered by successive governments, brought on by the mistaken belief that it only the size of the bang that matters."

Perhaps because of the Iraq WMD debacle the United States feels unable to press the case on this aspect of North Korea's arsenal. But there's a crucial difference: It's essentially undisputed that North Korea actually has these weapons.
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Yes, the new resolution 1718(2006) includes a reference to biological and chemical weapons of mass destruction, but only as an afterthought, and the resolution exists only because of the nukes and their perceived threat.

for reference- RESOLUTION 1718 (2006) and Deadly Maps


So the question begs?... WHY are BW's so ignored in the face of facts, but they do a little Nuke test and the world goes haywire. We went to Iraq and found nothing but under the premise of all kinds of Biological Agents located in Iraq, but no nukes, and it is basically undisputed that NK has had BW's for awhile, and yet they get no international reaction until they light off a small low grade nuclear reaction.

Something really is amiss.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:10 PM
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Even when I agree that Nk and Kim are to be take out and the sooner the better.

It doesn't look good to be using this type of propaganda when our nation has his own dirty rags since the Ivasion of Iraq with their torture scandals and secret detention camps.

The British reports are not doing any favors to the US.

I believe that the propaganda is not needed to justify possible actions on NK.

I believe that is threat and that we need to deal with it.

They should keep the propaganda information to themselves most Americans are all for taking out NK strategicaly with not troops involve.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:20 PM
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So the question begs?... WHY are BW's so ignored in the face of facts, but they do a little Nuke test and the world goes haywire.
Something really is amiss.


IMHO - two reasons.

1) NK bio-weapons just aren't sexy enough to hold the teaming millions attention.

and

2) Because it isn't the US's fault..... at least yet that is.




B.



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by XphilesPhan
I wont believe it...remember what british intelligence said last time about WMDs in Iraq? I wont buy it until its confirmed by another source.

The North Koreans have been doing experimentations for a decade or so and yet your still waiting on confirmation?



Originally posted by soficrow
Straight-up disinformation.
Planting the seeds to blame the coming flu pandemic on terrorists.
Wotta crock.

Huh?!
Where you been researching at?
Perhaps you been dwelling too long upon the faults of the US?


Here's a thought: Try Google, Yahoo, etc., maybe?

[edit on 6-11-2006 by Seekerof]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
PAH.

Straight-up disinformation.

Planting the seeds to blame the coming flu pandemic on terrorists.

Wotta crock.


Smirkley has sources that bolster his allegations. What have you got except for derision?



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 07:44 PM
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The USA is the world's biggest arms dealer, and has the biggest stockpiles of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons - and has reneged on key non-proliferation treaties.

Never mind a pandemic - the poop is hitting the fan all over the place. ie.,

Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales, and other key Bush administration figures may be charged with crimes against humanity for the Iraq invasion.

brb - phone



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 07:51 PM
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I don't find this allegation particularly difficult to believe, it's consistent with other information that's come out of NK. While I have little love for the US's current leadership that doesn't mean I assume all their opponents around the world are angels either.

NK is ruled by a brutal, despotic regime that treats it's own citizenry as an entirely disposable commidity. That they'd perform biowarfare tests on them comes as no surprise.

I have little faith in Joseph Farah, "G2", or WND, but just because they say "the sky is blue" doesn't mean it's really green. These kinds of reports have been prety consistent, from multiple sources.

[edit on 11/6/06 by xmotex]



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by xmotex
I have little faith in Joseph Farah, "G2", or WND, but just because they say "the sky is blue" doesn't mean it's really green. These kinds of reports have been prety consistent, from multiple sources.


Exactly why I led with the original WND link.


So far, reply stats equate to about a 50/50 ratio.

50 percent suggesting that there may be something to the suggestion at minimum. I have attempted to produce other more reputable links as they are found in the following posts to support the suggestion.

And the other 50 percent of posts,...




I wont buy it until its confirmed by another source.





Straight-up disinformation.
Planting the seeds to blame the coming flu pandemic on terrorists.
Wotta crock.






It doesn't look good to be using this type of propaganda ...
I believe that the propaganda is not needed to justify possible actions on NK.
They should keep the propaganda information to themselves ...






Never mind a pandemic - the poop is hitting the fan all over the place.
brb - phone



I appreciate everyone's input.
Let's Deny some Ignorance and kick this pig.

Anyone got even any scraps of info that may suggest the topic set forth by myself has any element of Disinfo or propaganda?



posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by smirkley

Anyone got even any scraps of info that may suggest the topic set forth by myself has any element of Disinfo or propaganda?



Yes.

The larger political context - Rummy et al up for international charges, epidemic e. coli in the USA infecting not just meat but vegetables (which indicates endemic contamination of soil and water, not to mention brand new biological rules of transmission), rampant poverty and unemployment in the US with near-revolution against immigration policies... the list goes on.

And it all adds up to a pressing need for distraction - and positioning to scapegoat.


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posted on Nov, 6 2006 @ 11:33 PM
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OK then, a couple more clips from questionable sources,...(sarcasm applied)



Within prison walls

Camp 22 is one of a network of prisons in North Korea modelled on the Soviet Gulag where hundreds of thousands of prisoners are held.

Most of them have been charged with no crime. They are there because of the "Heredity Rule".

"In North Korea, " Kwon Hyok explains, "political prisoners are those who say or do something against the dead President Kim Il-sung, or his son Kim Jong-il. But it also includes a wide network of next of kin. It's designed to root out the seeds of those classed as disloyal to North Korea."

In prison, says Kwon Hyok, "there is a watchdog system in place between members of five different families. So if I were caught trying to escape, then my family and the four neighbouring families are shot to death out of collective responsibility."

But Kwon Hyok had something else he wanted to tell.

He says he witnessed chemical experiments being carried out on political prisoners in specially constructed gas chambers.

There have been many rumours of human experimentation on political prisoners in North Korea. But never has anyone offered documentary proof. Until now.

In Seoul I met Kim Sang-hun, a distinguished human rights activist.

He showed me documents given to him by someone else completely unrelated to Kwon Hyok. He told me the man had recently snatched them illicitly from Camp 22 before escaping.

They are headed Letter Of Transfer, marked Top Secret and dated February 2002 . They each bear the name of a male victim, his date and place of birth. The text reads: "The above person is transferred from Camp 22 for the purpose of human experimentation with liquid gas for chemical weapons."

I took one of the documents to a Korean expert in London who examined it and confirmed that there was nothing to suggest it was not genuine.

But I wanted to run a check of my own with Kwon Hyok. Without showing him the Letter of Transfer, I asked him very specifically, without prompting him in any way.

"How were the victims selected when they went for human experimentation? Was there some bureaucracy, some paperwork?"

"When we escorted them to the site we would receive a Letter of Transfer," he said.

Sadly, as long as these reports continue from defectors, and as long as the North Korean government continues to deny all allegations of human rights abuse, while refusing to allow access to its prisons, such allegations cannot be dismissed or ignored.






Nikkei up 0.1 pct, N.Korea worries weigh

"Buying continued in large-cap blue-chip stocks as they are seen as the earnings driver here," said Kenichi Hirano, operating officer at Tachibana Securities.

"But I can feel gloom in the mood given the possibility of another nuclear test" by North Korea, he said.


(previous quote added just to express the markets reflection of worries too)




Kim Sang Hun

Born in North Korea, Kim, 70, moved to Seoul in 1946. His father, a Protestant minister, had been tortured for opposing Japanese colonial rule—a family ordeal that gave Kim strong sympathy for the abused and respect for defiance. He studied history at Seoul's Yonsei University, worked at the British embassy in Seoul, then joined the U.S. relief organization care in the 1960s. In 1975 he became a staff member at the United Nation's World Food Programme, which sent him to help refugees in Sudan and on the Thailand-Cambodia border, and a year later he became a volunteer for Amnesty International. When he retired in 1994, Kim turned his attention to North Korea. Dipping into his savings to finance trips to the border area of northeast China, he conducted lengthy interviews with defectors there, compiling detailed and chilling accounts of the horrors of North Korea's prison camps. He decided he had to get directly involved in helping these witnesses to the North Korean gulag reach safety in South Korea.


And one final (for now)..

Running Out of the Darkness





Common Sofi,... give me at least ONE link from reputable source to back up your claim of disinfo....

pretty please?



[edit on 7-11-2006 by smirkley]



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 12:00 AM
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Wow, just wow. they are determined in their quest, aren't they.



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 12:20 AM
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Originally posted by smirkley
Anyone got even any scraps of info that may suggest the topic set forth by myself has any element of Disinfo or propaganda?


Nada one. I read some of your links and did a little research on my own and I found myself thinking back to the days of Pol Pot and the C.R. The atrocities that were being committed - although whispered about from time to time - went widely unnoticed and unreported. North Korea is no different - no one cared to know then and that is what we have here again now.

But hey, isn't it much more interesting to attribute the death and suffering to a grey plot to introduce a USAMRID created avian flu into the general population all the while working in cooperation with cattle farmers to train their stock to only defecate in spinach fields?


Great stuff smirks!



Bleys



posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by smirkley

Common Sofi,... give me at least ONE link from reputable source to back up your claim of disinfo....




You're right. The info is probably good: bad things DO happen in our beautiful world. Like when US soldiers are ordered to torture prisoners.

...My real concern is that the focus is being manipulated - as distraction and deflection, and to position to scapegoat, as I clarified above.

War games and arms development have speeded up incredibly over the past few years. There are many guilty parties.

IMO - we need treaties and compliance, from everyone.


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posted on Nov, 7 2006 @ 10:25 AM
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LOL

That's really funny...especially the following comment:

"...North Korea has the capability to develop, produce and weaponize biological warfare agents."

Duh!...and the US, UK, China, France and Russia don't?

It sometimes makes me wonder what percentage of the population really believes this propoganda?

Cheers

JS



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