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Originally posted by JIMC5499
Some people seem to think that if the US pulls out of Iraq that all of these factions are going to suddenly become best friends and everything is going to be sweet and rosey.
Originally posted by mecheng
Thanks, but do you honestly believe any of this will ever happen?
Originally posted by KnowItAll
I fully understand that this is generally a Bash Bush and Conservatives website. But this "Get out of Iraq now" BS has got to stop! Isn't this what you guys did in Vietnam? Cut and Run? Would you prefer that we just gather up all our tents and leave now?
Can't any of you at least admit that it's better to keep the terrorist busy in Iraq and Afganistan as opposed to having them work their magic in this country?
COWARDS!
Originally posted by KnowItAll
I fully understand that this is generally a Bash Bush and Conservatives website.
Can't any of you at least admit that it's better to keep the terrorist busy in Iraq and Afganistan as opposed to having them work their magic in this country?
COWARDS!
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It's illegal to assassinate heads of state.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
When the job is done. I can't say when that will be, but it clearly is not yet.
When do you stop mowing the lawn?
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
We have no choice, but to fight or to surrender.
Originally posted by KnowItAll
Isn't this what you guys did in Vietnam? Cut and Run?
Can't any of you at least admit that it's better to keep the terrorist busy in Iraq and Afganistan as opposed to having them work their magic in this country?
COWARDS!
Originally posted by KnowItAll
The US is the leader of the world, and just because you people do not like that notion, doesn't make it true. People and countries have always disliked the US simply because we prosper, we're secure, and we're free. Some folks just don't like that. Hell, even our French brothers hate our guts. Whooped-di-do!! Tell you the truth, I really don't give a damn about any of these third world countries that hate us. They could all go get in a big pile together. Would make it much easier to kill them.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The forces of good and evil are always at odds and will be until the end of time.
Originally posted by Mr_Peel
Religious tolerance -- not only between Sunnis and Sh'ites but also involving about 1/2 million Iraqi Christians was terminated and religious/ethnic 'cleansing' has been on the rise.
Originally posted by Athenion
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
It's illegal to assassinate heads of state.
It's also "illegal" to invade a sovereign nation unprovoked.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
When the job is done. I can't say when that will be, but it clearly is not yet.
When do you stop mowing the lawn?
Well, isn't that an interesting anology. You can't say when the job is going to be done, because you don't know what the job we're trying to accomplish is. Intially, it was to stop Saddam from having/distributing WMD's to the terrorists. Then it was to stop him from supporting Al Queda. Then it was to stop Saddam from committing Genocide. Then it was to bring freedom to the Iraqi people. When you haven't defined what your yard is, its impossible to finish mowing it.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
We have no choice, but to fight or to surrender.
sarcasm
You're right. The only way to deal with any nation or group of people we disagree with is to either blow them up or run away. No one ever has ever found any middle ground, or a way to wage peace. People like Ghandi? Cowards. Unsuccessful cowards.
/sarcasm
And if you actually believe that the terrorists only want us dead, then you are incredibly niave. Terrorism is simply a tool used to achieve a political end (see Boston Tea Party), and if you think it's simply about us vs. them, then you need to actually take a look at what's going on in the world today. It's because of this narrow world view that wars like these break out in the first place.
Originally posted by KnowItAll
Isn't this what you guys did in Vietnam? Cut and Run?
Can't any of you at least admit that it's better to keep the terrorist busy in Iraq and Afganistan as opposed to having them work their magic in this country?
COWARDS!
Keep terrorists busy in Iraq and Afganistan? I'm sorry, did you miss any of the foiled terror attempts across the U.S. and Europe? Did the war in Iraq prevent the London bombing? Or the Madrid Bombing? Or the Bali Bombing? The strategy seems very successful thus far.
Also, characterizing anyone who is fighting as an insurgent in Iraq as a terrorist, and implying they are a member of Al Queda is a typical bush supporter tactic, and incredibly inaccurate. You do realize that less than 7% of the insurgents in Iraq are foreign fighters, and that even less of that 7% (the pentagon estimated about 3%) are members of Al Queda. So how exactly are we engagin the terrorists in Iraq? What a joke, and what a desperate attempt to save face in the reality of a failed policy. But maybe if you keep up the name calling, it will cover up your self inflicted ignorance.
Originally posted by KnowItAll
The US is the leader of the world, and just because you people do not like that notion, doesn't make it true. People and countries have always disliked the US simply because we prosper, we're secure, and we're free. Some folks just don't like that. Hell, even our French brothers hate our guts. Whooped-di-do!! Tell you the truth, I really don't give a damn about any of these third world countries that hate us. They could all go get in a big pile together. Would make it much easier to kill them.
Yes, I'm sure the terrorists and third world countries hate us because they hate prosperity and freedom, and it has nothing to do with the hubris of many americans, like yourself, who could care less about the pain and suffering of millions across the world, so long as you can keep watching The Simpsons and eating McDonalds. Thank you for perfectly demonstrating why our country has exactly zero credability in the international community. You can't write satire that hilarious. Well done!
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The forces of good and evil are always at odds and will be until the end of time.
And here we come to the meat and potatoes. The rhetorical labelling of anyone who disagrees with your perspective as evil. The Iraqi's don't want us there, telling them what to do and establishing laws that favor the United States. Some of them choose to fight (not unlike our founding fathers did) and for that they are labelled "evil". What an incredibly myopic world view.
The root of the problem lies in good ol' fashion western imperialism. Thanks to Britain, who owned Iraq for a long time, and when they decided to leave post war, when we put an end to British Imperialism (for the most part), instead of dividing the country up into sections based on long standing athnic and national groups, Britain and the internation community decided to divide it up rather randomly, squishing three ethnic groups who have a long and bloody history together, into one nice little bloody package.
The solution? Probalby splitting the country up into three seperate countries along ethnic lines would be a good step, but we may not see peace in the iraq area for a long, long time, and it's incredibly naive to think that we can force democracy on a group of peopl ewho have hated eachother for thousands of years. We've created a monster, and now like a proverbial Doctor Frankenstien, we're completely shocked that that monster isn't doing exactly what we tell it.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
I think the question of this post is being asked way too much ahead of its time. Remember, wars take years to win, even the most historical wars happened over long years of battle.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
A complete failure? well it depends what you consider a complete failure. I would consider a complete failure if we sent our troops out there only to get pushed back and still having Saddam in power.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
The average Iraqi civilian now has more magazines to read, more TV channels to watch, internet access, things they never had before. To me and to them thats not a failure.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
It also depends on what side you want to ask. Is it a failure for the US? The main goal to seize key targets and control oil flow? No matter what the media or government says in the mainstream, no one here can be dumb to argue about what they say. We all know the what its all about. So no, if its about controlling oil, then its not a failure, its a complete success.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
What if you ask an Iraqi civilian maybe living in Baghdad, is it a failure? No. Why? because they see US soldiers controlling them. Americans setting curfews, raiding their homes, telling them what to do, where to go, what to say. That is not failure for the US. Its a failure for the Iraqi government not being able to take action.
Originally posted by H34T533K3R
And however wants to defend it and say it is a failure tell me something. To who is it a failure to? To what you hear on the media? Are you dumb enough to go by what the mainstream media says? i would really like to hear what you all have to say so please reply 2 my post if you disagree.