If Colonel Had his way....

If the colonel had his way this would not be the USA anymore. it would be the USSSA. The United Soviet Socialist States Of America, and instead of starts and stripes we'd be under the hammer and sickle. im sure that that doesnt upset some of you. but something needs to be done and fast. because of clinton we have started a gradual decenst to communism that shrub must clean up the trash that the previous administration left behind and that the previous administration let happen to this great nation. i.e. 9/11

Ivan. You will get much agreement and much no-comment also...........


No new ideas can be a very bad thing when the old ideas were bad to begin with.

I wasnt aware that the Colonel was a commie.

ohhh...this is where you all tar us with the commie/pinko brush.

Very #ing witty.

I wouldnt say that the decent was because of Clinton, although he didnt help much at all. I would say the willingness of the people in this country to believe what they are told, the over all tendency to be lazy, and the general lack of education of the people in this country, are more to blame than just one person. Yes, Clinton was a liar, and his views probably were more communist or marxist, or socialist, or something in those ranks, than democratic. But it was us who elected him. Besides that point, the decent isnt something new. It has been gradual over time.

Originally posted by Seapeople
I wouldnt say that the decent was because of Clinton, although he didnt help much at all. I would say the willingness of the people in this country to believe what they are told, the over all tendency to be lazy, and the general lack of education of the people in this country, are more to blame than just one person. Yes, Clinton was a liar, and his views probably were more communist or marxist, or socialist, or something in those ranks, than democratic. But it was us who elected him. Besides that point, the decent isnt something new. It has been gradual over time.

i didnt vote for him.

Democracy IS NOT Communism

How the hell can you compare a democratic system to a communist totalitarian regime?

Well? you sling your commie/pinko trash around and have yet to back it up by showing how we're the same.

BRING IT.

Originally posted by Nerdling
I wasnt aware that the Colonel was a commie.

ohhh...this is where you all tar us with the commie/pinko brush.

Very #ing witty.

yes the same brush another member uses to paint all conservatives the same way but you havent noticed it yet or you dont think its wrong...so which is it? (before you bash me i'm neither liberal or conservative so save your tripe for someone else)

See, this is how the repugnants plant the seeds of thier lies. They say something outrageous and if they say it often enough, it becomes truth, purely EVIL.

And I wish you would stop repeating your lies about Clinton and 9-11. Here is th TRUTH for the 4th time already!

Salon.com January 15, 2002

Don't Blame Clinton

Conservatives who once ridiculed and obstructed the former president's aggressive efforts to fight terrorism are now trying to pin Sept. 11 on him. They have a lot of nerve.

On Clinton's watch, the CIA instituted a special al-Qaida unit that thwarted several deadly conspiracies, including a scheme to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on Millennium Eve, and plots to bomb the Holland and Lincoln tunnels in New York as well as the United Nations building. Timely intelligence also prevented a deadly assault on the Israeli embassy in Washington. As early as 1996 -- as reported by the Post and other publications -- the State Department and the CIA began to neutralize dozens of terrorist cells overseas through prosecutions, extraditions and executions quietly undertaken by allies on every continent, from Albania to the Philippines.

A month before Clinton left office -- and nine months before the planes hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon -- those successful operations were praised by the nation's most experienced diplomats in this field, including conservatives. "Overall, I give them very high marks," said Robert Oakley, who served as ambassador for counterterrorism in the Reagan State Department, to a reporter for the Washington Post. "The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama, which has made him stronger." Paul Bremer, who also held the same post under Reagan and later was chosen by congressional leaders to chair the National Commission on Terrorism, disagreed slightly with his colleague. Bremer told the Post he believed that the Clinton administration had "correctly focused on bin Laden."

vander.hashish.com...

So, maybe you all can shut the # up about the Clinton and terrorism thing.

i didnt vote for him.

I didnt vote for him either, but enough of us did aparently, huh. You are part of the country. He was your president whether you admit it or not. He may have been terrible too, but the fact of the matter is that the people in this country voted for him. Not all of us. Enough of us.

we all know Colonel (like all dems) wants to rally the proletariat and let the workers control the production

See, this is how the repugnants plant the seeds of thier lies. They say something outrageous and if they say it often enough, it becomes truth, purely EVIL.

Originally posted by KrazyIvan
If the colonel had his way this would not be the USA anymore. it would be the USSSA. The United Soviet Socialist States Of America, and instead of starts and stripes we'd be under the hammer and sickle. I'm sure that that doesn't upset some of you. but something needs to be done and fast. because of Clinton we have started a gradual descent to communism that shrub must clean up the trash that the previous administration left behind and that the previous administration let happen to this great nation. i.e. 9/11

Last time I checked, the current administration is the one that was in office on 9/11. They are also the ones that have caused us to have the highest deficit in American history.

As far as who let the country down, it was the Americans. It is the responsibility of the American public to prevent the power hungry politicians from usurping OUR rights and control of OUR country.

A major step toward allowing the rich and influential to have control happened in 1913 when we sold our money to private bankers.

Woodrow Wilson then slipped the Federal Reserve Act through a bare quorum of Congress on December 23, 1913 after most of the opposition had gone home for the holidays. This simple, but terrible, law completely removed from Congress the right to "create" money or to have any control over its "creation," and gave that function to the Federal Reserve Corporation...The people were not told then, and most still do not know today, that the Federal Reserve Corporation is a private corporation controlled by private bankers and therefore is operated for the financial gain of the bankers over the people rather than for the good of the people. The word "Federal" was used only to deceive the people.
truth.5u.com...

FDR said (from a letter to Colonel House, Wilson's top advisor/handier), "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson."
Former New York mayor John Hylan, in 1922, summed it up this way: "The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over our city, state and nation ... At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller-Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the international bankers [who] virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes."

Clinton didn't start this country on it's path toward a totalitarian government. It's been headed that way for a long time. Everybody's been so busy choosing sides that they forgot to watch what was going on right under their noses, and now it's almost too late to change it.

One more "terrorist" attack on the USA, and the control they've been working toward will be theirs for the taking. Instead of the USSSA though we'll be a Nazi-esque, fascist country under Marshall law.

would be a more accurate term/label than communist I think. THe liberal ideology at its crux beleives in the redistribution of wealth FROM those who earn it TO those who do not.

This "equalization" causes nothing but strife, resentment and ultimately revolution and the crumbling of governments. Human nature OPPOSES theft especially when you are the one that is being robbed. I don't care if you "legislate it" into legality taking one man's money and property and giving it to another without his consent is THEFT.

I don't think the Democratic radical left cares a whiff about ANYTHING other than hanging onto and gaining more POWER/Authority so they would never go all the way like the Soviets did. THey only want to take just enough to keep the downtrodden beholden to them for continued votes down the generational timelines.

Once you enslave a group of people by providing them their very existence you get their votes for ever. UNTIL they start waking up that is...

The great awakening is happening right in front of us! The Democratic party is LOSING (see my previous thread "The Democrats just keep losing") ground by the mile while the Republican Party is gaining ground.

Being an independant who would really love to see a party that mirrored the original Federalists (the forbears of the Republican Party) I take umbrage with the Republican Party as well. When you get right down to it there is not enough pratical difference between them for me. They BOTH crave power and they BOTH piss money away like it grows on trees.

PEACE...
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Jezebel,

I agree with you on several points here. I have a question:

What do you see the course of action will be that the American people take back the powers and rights that have been absconded from them?

Neither party is going to give them back, so how will this be fixed?

the american society...they are like lemmings..just sort of follow each other around 'till they walk off a cliff or get eaten by a bunch of predators. the 'american way' is to wait untill it is to late and then start to think about acting. the citezens of america will just sit a wacth what happens..only the small % that vote will actually be making changes. i'm not saying that voting is always the right way to go about things, but it is the way it happens now. i don't think that anythng will happen to cause the govt to do a 'i'm in power for life thing' and even if they did...the public is so uncaring about ideals that, as long as they have $$, they won't care.....
we are our own worst enemies.....

Originally posted by Nerdling
Democracy IS NOT Communism

How the hell can you compare a democratic system to a communist totalitarian regime?

Well? you sling your commie/pinko trash around and have yet to back it up by showing how we're the same.

BRING IT.

Democracy isn't communism at heart. But what we have right now is some crazy # man. The first president to get away with # like that, and now what do we have. The powers that be in our government see it as a way to make the people look to the side while they do what they want. "And that parade for Bill Clinton after the "Sexual behavior" just made me sick. The people clapping and cheering, you know what they were cheering for? Yay, you got your dick sucked, woohoo, you got a BJ. Yay for Bill, good BJ!." (Lewis Black)

I would say that life under Bush is closer to Fascism than life under Clinton was to Communism.

I would say that life under either Bush or Clinton was not the way it should be. Blame Bush or Clinton all you want. The truth is that people in this country dont care. You dont like big business running your life? Do something about it. You dont like the way things are run? Do something about it. High taxes too much? Do something about it. You will need people to help you though. One person really cant make a difference. So go get a group. Oh, wait.... Noone will care enough to bother. I guess we are stuck until people start caring.

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[Edited on 8-11-2003 by Nans DESMICHELS]

My oh my, a brave, honest, intellgent, gentlemen *props unto Mr Ivan*

First off for all of you liberals out there, ya'll are the one's who created the "lower class of people" who are ruining America and the world.
The United States Democratic is going where Russia already went. Rosovelt started all of this neo-socialist crap. At least back then people were working; now they just sit around and suck money awat from others.

The two reasons that you "need" welfare:
1.) You are poor
Get a job

2.) You have too many kids
Well who's fault is that

I'll go ahead and tear apart all of the American Democrats in history:

Lincoln - Your hero. Lincoln freed the slaves as a tactic of war, he didn't give a rat's @$$ about the slaves and equality. If it wasn't for Robert E. Lee stomping all over the union, we'd have no need for freedom, and we would still have slaves.
Rosovelt - The "New Deal" The beginning of American socialism.
Clinton - Let the UN boss him around and screwed us over in Bosnia. The US doesn't need to listen to that hedgemony of third-world countries.
Libermen/Sharpton/Clark/Dean/Kerr, etc.... No campaign platform except socialist utopia for all and Bush isn't a good leader.

That about does it for you, anyone who'd denying this is an ignorant fool.
Cheers to all who understand reality,
- Tass

Edit: Almost forgot, The Democratic Party is not Democratic.

[Edited on 8-11-2003 by Tassadar]