Saddam makes a good point.

NWO, you moronic excuse for a primate, who cares about this "democracy" you talk about? We were initially supposed to be a republic but allowed that to flitter away 160 years ago. This nation was never suppose to be as it is and as it has been for quite some time, but how we rank on a scale with others about in reference to particular issues that someone else assembled, and how they interpret what they see, is no real big deal.
Another brainsurgeon in another thread pointed out the Hussein is a democratically elected leader. He got 100% of the votes, even. Wouldn't that make Iraq number one in democracies? I guess that depends on who decides the judging issues and how the fatcs are interpreted.

Now, you knuckle dragging monkey fisted ape-boy, put that in your crack-pipe and toke it!

Really, NWO, I don't understand the need to attack U-P like that. Discuss the issues, but be somewhat kind. Question his understanding if you'd like, or something to that effect, but leave his momma out of the rquation before you start an international incident!

Dear Mason,

Simply void all reponses by the Radical Right Wing( you'll say 'how the hell ya come up with that?' less frequently!) - everything they have to say is either a line to President Clinton's genitalia or Ubsubstantiated fear that morphs a house cat( Iraq) into a Bengal Tiger!
Iraq is suuuuch a threat! Bah!

[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Bout Time]

The left has always wanted to take our voice away.

Well, there you are, B-T! I was afraid that you had suffocated, what with your head in the sand all time and what not! Glad to see you are still with us.

Yeah, what threat is a nutbag with all kinds of nasty concoctions that has the motive and connections to have people of the same mindset that would fly planes into buildings to deliver them? Golly, wouldn't he see that as a work of pure art if he could have a hand-carriable smuggled in and detonated in downtoen Manhattan? Or St. Louis? Or Seattle, or just fill in the blank?

Nah, no threat there, huh?

Stop thinking conventionally (assuming you are really trying to think and aren't just passing on disinformation) and think as those who want to strike us are thinking.

BTW B-T, you sure deem fixated on Klinton's private parts. Are you sure there isn't something you want to tell us? I here it's hip to "come out" nowadays.

[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Thomas Crowne]

Or we can sit back,do nothing and wait for Saddam to kill a few thousand more people.Then we can have debates on why the U.S. did nothing to stop him,when we had the chance.

good point TC- BT, what's with you and Clinton's junk. You're the only one that really talks about it.

So you agree with me that US is no longer a democracy where people have no more freedom of speech?

And compare I will man because all these US is better threads and crap like that needs to be put down with some solid facts!!!

I can make even more comparisons that will send shivers up your spine, for instance did you know that your average factory worker in the US has only 5 days a year paid leave while in Europe this figure is 35-45 days and in some countries even higher then this??

America oooh what a great nation my ass, people are being treated like crap and I know this from experience after having lived there for 8 years on and off.

Only when you are in a position I am in can you see the real truth, anyone claiming otherwise has never ever lived in Europe and would rather defend its nations lies through the myth of patriotism. Yeaaaah this is one ideal that so many Americans cling to, it doesn't matter what happens as long as they can cling to that damned flag.

Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

Want more comparisons of how US is a prison in the making just ask me and I will prove it to you without a shadow of a doubt.

There's no sodomizing with someone that knows what he's talking about. I used to be like you Thomas, that time is far far gone, Europe indeed is the promised land, US is going to the Hades in a handbasket and you know it.



[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Thomas Crowne]

You think all that paid leave is really a good thing don't you? Maybe it is in part responsible for the problems of the modern European wellfare states and to blame for the lack of economical growth said states have seen the last several years. How do you like paying out all those taxes anyway?

How am I being treated like crap?Yeah I guess being able to go anywhere or do whatever I want is a bad thing.
Europe is the promised land,I doubt it.

www.guardian.co.uk...

news.bbc.co.uk...

www.guardian.co.uk...

news.independent.co.uk...

Yep land of the free Europe is.

No, NWO, you have no idea what I am talking about and to be honest with you, it'd take too long to explain. Several months ago I made several threads to explain the situation and how it unraveled like a ball of thread, but none for the reasons you've stated. There's no @#$%^& with a man who knows what he's talking about, but you don't. You are looking at shallow differences and a few symptoms of a disease that isn't really related to the one you say we're ailing of.

What I'm referring to, basically, is a states' rights issue coupled with a pesky martial law scene that was never recinded, aggravated by the stupid federal reserve rip-off that enslaves the worker. As far as you guys working less and wanting more over there, we don't really see that work ethic as a virtue. But that's just us; I have no desire to try and judge you on that.

Bob, look back at B-T's posts; he is always referring to Bubba's genitalia, I'm telling you he is obsessed. Maybe Alien could counsel him for a few weeks and get down to the core issues. Alein works with the disturbed, I think, so he could be our community head shrink. Oops, sorry B-T, I was referring to the cranial area so don't get excited!

yup. BT just can't stop thinking about Willy's willy. We cab have Alien prescribe him some luvox and he'll be all better. Maybe then he will be able to describe exactly what a centrist is.




[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Bob88]

If you didn't know nyeff Britain is not a part of the European union, and 3 links you posted refer to stuff going on in that sick country Britain, as for the german phone bugging don't you think US bugs phones even more then in Germany????

So I have totally disproven you, now please try again mate caus your clear lack of knowledge is quite amusing to me

And who says we have no economical growth, were did you pick up on that fable???? Better to have a stable economy then businesses going bankrupt by the 1000's in the US

And as for paid holidays, well for us it clearly works, if you like having only 5 days of paid holiday then fine by me, if you think that this solves your problems then you are really slamming that door I call prison yourself.

I'm sorry to say Nyeff but single-celled organisms out score you in IQ tests. And I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.

Since when is Britian not a European country?

Since when is Britian not a European country?

www.cnn.com...
Britain and Germany -- two of Europe's biggest nations -- did not sign the protocol.



And don't worry you are not hurting my feelings,I feel the same way about you.

Psst,look a list of countries in the European union.
European Union
Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom.




[Edited on 01-08-2002 by nyeff]

You've proven very little, if anything, as you clearly have no understanding of the country or government you are trying to urinate on.
BTW, I enjoy my three weeks a-ok. I usually sell back some days.


[Edited on 4-11-2002 by Thomas Crowne]

I'm sorry I confused Britain with not enlisting in the European currency the Euro, Britain however has allways been the ugly child in the EU and has more then proved that the last year or so.

So you got me there, but the facts still remain you posted three links referring to Britain alone, so the shame is still on you Nyeff. You must have a very large brain, to hold so much ignorance:LOL:

So what if they are from Britian.They are your neighbors.Or do you just toss them aside because they are not up to your standerds?Seems a bit hypocritcal to brag about your European union in post,then pick it apart in your next post.

Do not twist my words please, I am saying you are using these links to make your points hard while all along you haven't got a foot to stand on. When I say US is a prison compared to EU then I mean it, I bring up a few points and you try to debunk them by showing me a few links of what a #ty country britain is, what you fail to notice is that Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Holland, France,..... are the most free countries in the world, and compared to the US the difference is like heaven and hell. Do not bring up the weak claim but yeah you must have higher crime rates because police is so lenient, just looking at the extreme low crime rate in a country like Sweden or Belgium says enough. 1 shooting every 5-10 years and thats not even stretching the margin. Now look at the US, 100 shootings a day, a thousand you name it, how many people in prison in the US??? A few million??? Lets say there are about 7 million people living in sweden and about 300 million in the United States, now compare the numbers of people in prison in the US with the percentage of people in prison in Sweden, its like 20 to 1. So if the US only had 7 million people then the ratio would still be 20 to 1!!!!

Sick country no???? Is it then also not clear that your justice system does not work while ours in the EU does work??? Is it not clear that these harsh means are only there to keep control on the people?? Compare the amount of cops in a US capital with the amount of cops in a European capital, same amount of people and there are 20x more cops in a US capital???

In Europe I can walk around drunk without fear of being pushed face down on the pavement and being jailed for 3-4 days for public drinking, I can go to parties as a youngster 14,15,16 years old and have drinks freely, I can easily break the speedlimits without fear of farout crazy fines and cops chasing me down and having a gun shoved in my face, I can walk around without fear of having a lawsuit pinned on me because I offended someone about the way I dressed or God knows what, I can rest easily when I fall ill(no matter what illness)knowing that my healthcare covers everything practically free of charge, overhere we can protest where we want and when we want(not unlike the US where people get pushed around and get confined to places they can protest), and I can go on for hours writing stuff down, real life experiences I had when living in the US and now seeing all these huge changes when living in Sweden or other places in Europe.

Now does doing all these things in Europe make me a bad person or does it make EU a bad country, I have never seen a cop look bad at me, I have never been detained without reason, there is no rising crime rate because these lenient laws are in place and nor will there ever be.

So Nyeff, yes you are narrowminded, and yes you do live in a prison, you cannot see it but come and live here for a year or so and then go back and you will see this so clearly that you will fall down to the floor, kiss my feet and call me a God.

Want more real life experiences, just ask.

US is still more free than EU....sure we may have more prisoners, but you fail to recognize certain POSSIBLE factors...

1) The ratio of prisoners to population may go up as population increases

2) Our vast diversity may cause social strifes that tend to create both poverty gaps and feelings of despair, which both increase crime.

In either case, the only thing I think Europe has going for it, is a vast number of countries there allow Referendums and such, something not so prominent here in the US. But as you said your nations have considerably smaller populations.

The only problem concerning freedom in the US is the general apathy of the US population, and the dumbing down of US youths. Which could cause future problems. But all in all, no matter how ignorant any American Citizen gets, they still all have a strong belief that the Constitution is as important, if not more so, then the Bible.

Sincerely,
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Funny, when I was in Europe, the cops would handle you rather roughly for being DUI, they didn't tolerate PI or disorderly conduct any better than ours here do and the folks were as violent as our people but the country (Germany) didn't trust their people with guns, rifles and shotguns we have in this nation.

You sound as if you are all about being a sot. You must be young and pretty ignorant of what is good in a society and what is bad.
What I know you are certainly ignorant in is our culture, our government, and our basic freedoms. Go smoke your joints, drink your booze and think that that is what makes a society great. I can see why you'd think a culture of personal responsibility is Hell.