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Has the world been highjacked by the US military

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posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 04:10 AM
What I am talking about here is with its hundreds of billions of dollars and unknown research projects. Has the US military basically stifled or brought about certain events unknown to the rest of mankind overall. For instance word was that the military had been digging into the large unground lake in antarctica and certain events transpired, or with the militaries research into exotic sciences. Thing is the military is not the most tactful or considerate force in the planet so if they were to have drilled/melted a hole to the lake in antarctica for all we know they could have spoiled or ruined it with kerosene or other chemicals. Same with there research into the sciences of particles or worm tunnels or highly concentrated electromagnetic technologies(any other plausible projects that im not mentioning please do so for me) lets say they have success in one of these fields say a stargate or wormhole and they make contact with et I know I dont want the military to be my diplomat for first contact rather it be kofi anan or someone.

So the whole point of this thread is the different areas of research that the military has/could be conducting as we speak that has an effect that ruins it for the rest of the world.

posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 12:43 PM

...the whole point of this thread is the different areas of research that the military has/could be conducting as we speak that has an effect that ruins it for the rest of the world.

The use of depleted uranium in Iraq by British and United States forces has not only been linked to illness in their own troops:

Depleted uranium (DU) was used in tank kinetic energy penetrator and machine-gun bullets on a large scale for the first time in the Gulf War. DU munitions often burn when they impact a hard target, producing toxic combustion products. The toxicity, effects, distribution, and exposure involved have all been the subject of a lengthy and complex debate.

Because uranium is a heavy metal and chemical toxicant with nephrotoxic (kidney-damaging), teratogenic (birth defect-causing), and potentially carcinogenic properties, uranium exposure is associated with a variety of illnesses. The chemical toxicological hazard posed by uranium dwarfs its radiological hazard because it is only weakly radioactive, and depleted uranium even less so.

Increases in the rate of birth defects for children born to Gulf War veterans have been reported. A 2001 survey of 15,000 U.S. Gulf War combat veterans and 15,000 control veterans found that the Gulf War veterans were 1.8 (fathers) to 2.8 (mothers) times as likely to report having children with birth defects . In early 2004, the UK Pensions Appeal Tribunal Service attributed birth defect claims from a February 1991 Gulf War combat veteran to depleted uranium poisoning.

In 2005, uranium metalworkers at a Bethlehem plant near Buffalo, New York, exposed to frequent occupational uranium inhalation risks, were alleged by non-scientific sources to have the same patterns of symptoms and illness as Gulf War Syndrome victims.


But also in those civilians who populate the field of battle:

Wherever you go in Iraq's southern city of Basra, there is dust. It rolls down the long roads that are the desert's fingers. It gets in your eyes and nose and throat; it swirls in markets and school playgrounds, consuming children kicking a plastic ball; and it carries, according to Dr Jawad Al-Ali, 'the seeds of our death'. Dr Al-Ali is a cancer specialist at the city hospital and a member of Britain's Royal College of Physicians.

'Before the Gulf war, we had only three or four deaths in a month from cancer,' he said. 'Now its 30 to 35 patients dying every month, and that's just in my department. That is 12 times the increase in cancer mortality. Our studies indicate 40% to 48% of the population in this area will get cancer -- in five years' time to begin with, then long afterwards. That's almost half the population. Most of my own family now have cancer, and we have no history of the disease. 'We don't know the precise source of the contamination, because we are not allowed to get the equipment to conduct a proper survey, or even test the excess level of radiation in our bodies. We strongly suspect depleted uranium, which was used by the Americans and British in the Gulf war right across the southern battlefields.'

Along the corridor, I met Dr Ginan Ghalib Hassen, a paediatrician. At another time, she might have been described as an effervescent personality; now she, too, has a melancholy expression that does not change; it is the face of Iraq. 'This is Ali Raffa Asswadi,' she said, stopping to take the hand of a wasted boy I guessed to be about four years old. 'He is nine years,' she said. 'He has leukaemia. Now we can't treat him. Only some of the drugs are available. We get drugs for two or three weeks, and then they stop when the shipments stop. Unless you continue a course, the treatment is useless. We can't even give blood transfusions, because there are not enough blood bags ...'

I said to Dr Hassen: 'What do you say to those in the West who deny the connection between depleted uranium and the deformities of these children?' She replied: 'That is not true. How much proof do they want? There is every relation between congenital malformation and depleted uranium. Before 1991, we saw nothing like this at all. If there is no connection, why have these things not happened before? I have studied what happened in Hiroshima. It is almost exactly the same here. We have an increased percentage of congenital malformation, an increase of malignancy, leukaemia, brain tumours, the same.'


Related threads:

Poison DUst: Depleted Uranium Kills

Depleted Uranium video on google is Shocking

Stop the BS of Depleted Uranium!

posted on Sep, 11 2006 @ 07:18 PM
Wow that is horrible 40-48% will get cancer in the next 5 years. If the British troops who are stationed in Basra also start coming down with cancer and birth defects when they conceive with their partners, I think that will be conclusive eveidence that DU shells are the cause. Same thing with the american troops stationed in Iraq since after Gulf War troops were there only for a short time but now its on an order of years the effects will if any be a lot more common place and severe.

The idea that it could be anything else is wrong (unless other weapons were used covertly that cause cancer and birth defects) no other time has there been reported cases of cancer being caused by more conventional weapons.

The sad thing for the planet overall (ignoring the devestation caused to these poor people) is that this dust as they describ it will be toxic into the forseeable future. Making this part of Iraq inhospitable and in a decades time lifeless.

Good information Implosion

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 12:19 PM
There has never been a confirmed report that DU has any amount of negative health affects on crew or or otherwise unless the material is inhaled due fire.

Further, no, let us pretend we did perform some amount of .. excavation in Antarctica. What idiot assumption is it that we'd pour Kerosene into such a hole.
As for Stargates? Stop watching the Sci-Fi channel. It was good, but it was cancelled. Get over it.

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
There has never been a confirmed report that DU has any amount of negative health affects on crew or or otherwise unless the material is inhaled due fire.


I have seen footage of a foreign scientist standing next to an IRAQI tank that was hit by american DU munitions..

the geirger counter was screaming its head off.... this scientist was wearing protective gear, absolutley astonished as he watched some military role up, no protection.. place there hands all over this radiological trash heap.. breathing it in, leaning on it...

There's no hard proof probably because the US wont allow anyone in there to test, take samples and analyse..

There's conincidences, and then theres certainty.

pre 1991 cancer rates are Y
After 1991 Gulf war and 2003 illegial war, cancer rates are 4.5xY

thats a pretty telling equation.

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 04:29 PM
And I've watched a mile-long-plus ship hover above the white-house, fire a particle beam, and behead the U.S. government.

Good movie.

Well, certianly if you could provide a report which is recognized by some group of importance, I'll concede.
But, we've all 'seen' alot of things.

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 04:33 PM
Further-- Saying that you don't have any evidence only because the U.S. government won't allow it won't win you brownie points. That doesn't mean you've won anyone over, it doesn't prove anything but your inability to find evidence.

One last thing -- Even if you were covered in DU, in a cell, the amount of radiation released is so incredibely minimal that the geiger counter, though certainly active, would hardly be having a fit.

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 04:46 PM
Well as much as I would like to believe that the US military is not involved in such things, I do have to wonder where an unaccounted for trillion dollars go and 500+ billion dollars yearly goes to.

I don't know what you mean about the world being hijacked though...

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 05:10 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
Further-- Saying that you don't have any evidence only because the U.S. government won't allow it won't win you brownie points. That doesn't mean you've won anyone over, it doesn't prove anything but your inability to find evidence.

One last thing -- Even if you were covered in DU, in a cell, the amount of radiation released is so incredibely minimal that the geiger counter, though certainly active, would hardly be having a fit.

well im telling you what I saw.
I will get the DVD title, and the minutes to show you..
And its not the radiation that is the bad part, its the particles left that you breathe in.
THE TANK itself was radioactive because of the DU munition striking it.

I never claimed to win anyone over with evidence or lack there of,
But when the worlds super power goes to lengths to ensure any evidence of wrong doings is kept hidden, or destroyed... especially when its inside a warzone CONTROLLED by that country.. it becomes very difficult to find evidence..

These people arent just unlucky... they are showing horrible side effects from some sort of 'foreign' matter that has been introduced into there enviroment.
It could be leaks from the arsenal of iraqi wmd's that the US told u were there..

whoops, they lied about that..

... but im sure there not lying now, when they say there weapons and the DEPLETED URANIUM within them ISNT causing these grotesque cancers... nah thats just silly...

radioactive particles from tank shells.. hell there as healthy as beef cakes and moon pies!

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
After 1991 Gulf war and 2003 illegial war.

Illegal war? Illegal war? What in the name of god are you babbling about?

Let me tell you about what is Illegal....

Bombing police stations

Bombing recruitment centers

Killing innocent nuns

Flying airplanes into bulidings and killing THOUSANDS

Trying to kill people over a cartoon...A CARTOON!

Beheading my fellow country men

Hijacking airplanes and blowing them up over Scotland

Killing Marines in their sleep

Bombing embassies

....all in the name of THEIR GOD? Pretty sick ey my friend?

Illegal...nope...just...right...proper...well deserved...long time coming...overdue....YEP

It's extremist Muslim Huggers like you that make the world call use FRENCH-LIKE, remember if you don't like what the big boys are eating for supper you may want to go sit at the kiddies table.

They would love to have you, and you can make them balloon animals and keep pretending that world is all butterfiles and cocoa butter....until someone you know is blown up or their throat is slit by a ....well you know where I am going son.

Has the world been highjacked by the US has been hijacked by extremist Muslims and the American military is trying to save it. PERIOD!

More ass whooping!

School is now dismissed, you all may go home to your mommies, we Americans have REAL work to get done.

D I S M I S S E D !

- Beezer

[edit on 5-10-2006 by Mr Beezer]

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 05:34 PM
Well, im sure the 1000's of DEAD marines will appreciate that mate.
Its a pitty the war is still illegial under world standards.

No matter how patriotic you feel to shoot some iraqi kid in the chest, doesnt make it justified.

Yep, I agree them muslims are trying to ruin your world..
so go get them.. theres thousands of them in the mountains of afghan..
seems to me all you did in this ILLEGIAL war was give them more incentive.. give them a better training ground.. and open up the doors to saddams ol weapons caches.

Im glad your only a teacher, allowing to dismiss a school.. cause your views.. are truely ones that would ruin the great american country, in the same way your hero.. your friend... GWBush has.

And frankly, being you still beleive these mad arab terrorists hijacked those planes, will all the conflicting evidence ... shows ya really dont know what ya talking about.

And im glad u can list so many attrocities committed by these iraqis too.
Can I ask what you would do? if your country was invaded and occupied.. and u saw the occupying force marching through your streets daily?

Hows about listing some haneous war cimes the US are committing.. bring some balance to this subject?

[edit on 5-10-2006 by Agit8dChop]

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 06:41 PM
You know if I could think of some I would list them.

Hey, since your the muslim hugging libarator of this board...why don't you tell me friend!

- Beezer

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 06:43 PM

Originally posted by Agit8dChop
And frankly, being you still beleive these mad arab terrorists hijacked those planes, will all the conflicting evidence ... shows ya really dont know what ya talking about.

You know, some high school kid like yourself wearing a tin foil hat and a few misguided threads on ATS is the only EVIDENCE I have ever seen.

I sure would like to see your evidence, come on kid the world is waiting!

Can you show some shred of evidence that muslim mongruls DIDN'T do the trade center.

- Beezer


[edit on 5-10-2006 by Mr Beezer]

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 06:48 PM
yeah your right, how dare I care for another race.

hate to tell you Mr Beezer.. but not all muslims are terrorist..

SHOCK Horror, I was surprised tooo who woulda thought after all the CNN and FOX reports huh ?

By your level of maturity, i can conclude your the 'kid'
sorry mate, I dont bite when sardines provoke.

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 06:54 PM
Giving up so soon....just about what I expected..But I am sure I will see you in a few other threads...maybe right now.

- Beezer

posted on Oct, 5 2006 @ 07:42 PM
I would like to make the brief observation that I know several companions who practice Islam and are quite capable of occupying poisitions in the United States Air Force beside me.

Following this,

a. I assume you're speaking of the child-fighters that states such as Iran train, and have been infiltrated to fire at U.S. soldiers? Do you know mate, that daily many children are visited by Extremist members, and told to throw stones at the U.S. military? --Experience, and 2006 September Issue for National Geographic.

b. The current conflicts are not illegal, though frowned upon by the international community. I would ask you take some time to read up on U.S. Law, and the procedure by which President Bush bypassed common, though not concrete laws to go into action.

c. War-Crimes have always been an issue. However, with the advent of modern media, these are brought to light much sooner, and in a much harsher manner. This is a detriment to the U.S., and an insult to the victims certainly, though a boon in that we can help remove and immunize those individuals and their actions from the greater mass of the United States military.

d. I'm assuming you're referring to an alternative hijacking theme. As I don't think you'd enjoy telling the two-thousand plus victims-- Or rather, their families, that such a thing never happened.
[And I mention that in-particular, as it has been brought up several times in the past months of this forum.]

posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Iblis
There has never been a confirmed report that DU has any amount of negative health affects on crew or or otherwise unless the material is inhaled due fire.

That may very well be the case, however, considering the amount it is currently being deployed, hardly surprising. There is certainly plenty of evidence that suggests that it may have an adverse effect.

A small group of Gulf War veterans possess retained fragments of depleted uranium (DU) shrapnel, the long-term health consequences of which are undetermined. We evaluated the clinical health effects of DU exposure in Gulf War veterans compared with nonexposed Gulf War veterans. History and follow-up medical examination were performed on 29 exposed veterans and 38 nonexposed veterans. Outcome measures employed were urinary uranium determinations, clinical laboratory values, and psychiatric and neurocognitive assessment. DU-exposed Gulf War veterans with retained metal shrapnel fragments are excreting elevated levels of urinary uranium 7 years after first exposure (range 0.01-30.7 microg/g creatinine vs 0.01- 0.05 microg/g creatinine in the nonexposed). The persistence of the elevated urine uranium suggests on-going mobilization from a storage depot which results in a chronic systemic exposure. Adverse effects in the kidney, a presumed target organ, are not present at this time, though other effects are observed. Neurocognitive examinations demonstrated a statistical relationship between urine uranium levels and lowered performance on computerized tests assessing performance efficiency. Elevated urinary uranium was statistically related to a high prolactin level (>1.6 ng/ml; P=0.04). More than 7 years after first exposure, DU-exposed Gulf War veterans with retained metal fragments continue to excrete elevated concentrations of urinary uranium. Effects related to this are subtle perturbations in the reproductive and central nervous systems.


It cannot be argued that these weapons do not leave their mark.

DU shell holes in the vehicles along the Highway of Death are 1,000 times more radioactive than background radiation, according to Geiger counter readings done for the Seattle Post-Intelligencer by Dr. Khajak Vartaanian, a nuclear medicine expert from the Iraq Department of Radiation Protection in Basra, and Col. Amal Kassim of the Iraqi navy.

The desert around the vehicles was 100 times more radioactive than background radiation; Basra, a city of 1 million people, some 125 miles away, registered only slightly above background radiation level.

But the radioactivity is only one concern about DU munitions.

A second, potentially more serious hazard is created when a DU round hits its target. As much as 70 percent of the projectile can burn up on impact, creating a firestorm of ceramic DU oxide particles. The residue of this firestorm is an extremely fine ceramic uranium dust that can be spread by the wind, inhaled and absorbed into the human body and absorbed by plants and animals, becoming part of the food chain.

Once lodged in the soil, the munitions can pollute the environment and create up to a hundredfold increase in uranium levels in ground water, according to the U.N. Environmental Program.


What Adverse Health Effects Have Been Observed,
Recognized, Treated, And Documented?
The answer to this question is difficult. Deliberate denial and delay of medical screening and consequent medical care of not only U.S. friendly fire casualties who inhaled, ingested, and had wound contamination but all others with verified or suspected internalized exposure makes actually knowing what has occurred difficult. Although I, physicians, scientists, and other medical personnel recommended immediate medical care during March, April, and May of 1991 and many times since then the United States Department of Defense, the British Ministry of Defense, and consequently the United States Department of Veterans Affairs are still reluctant to provide thorough medical screening and necessary medical care. Dr. Bernard Rostker wrote to me in a letter dated March 1, 1999 that physicians and health physicists at the completion of the ground war decided that medical screening and care for uranium exposures was not required. Actual documents refute this! Today, individuals are sick and others are dead who were denied medical care even though I requested it in a letter dated May 21, 1997 which was sent to the Office of Surgeon U.S. Army Materiel Command and forwarded to Dr. Rostker by Dr. (LTC) Kelsey.

Verified adverse health effects from personal experience, physicians, and from personal reports from individuals with known DU exposures include:

Reactive airway disease
Neurological abnormalities
Kidney stones and chronic kidney pain
Vision degradation and night vision losses
Gum tissue problems
Various forms of skin and organ cancer
Neuro-psychological disorders
Uranium in semen
Sexual dysfunction, and
birth defects in offspring.

Today, serious adverse health effects have been documented in employees of and residents living near Puducah, Kentucky, Portsmouth, Ohio; Los Alamos, New Mexico; Oak Ridge, Tennessee; Hanford, Washington. Additionally employees at uranium manufacturing or processing facilities in New York, Tennessee, and the four corners area of southwest Colorado have repeatedly reported adverse health effects similar to those reported by verified Gulf War DU casualties. Iraqi and other humanitarian agency physicians are reporting serious adverse health effects in exposed populations. Today, verifying correlation between uranium exposures and adverse health effects, except in only in a few cases, may not be possible because of deliberate delays in screening. Health physics guidelines state that testing should be completed within 30 days not 8 years after exposures. Testing involves the collection of a urine, fecal, and throat samples. Eight years or so after exposures only a small fraction of the sequestered uranium or original dose will be detected. This fraction represents only the mobile or soluble portion that is in the body. Figure 1 shows the relationship between time of sampling and detection of internalized uranium. Two recent autopsies have revealed that sequestering is an observed phenomena and that the mobile fraction may or may not be representative of what is actually present. The current U.S. Army medical department guideline dated April 1999 requires immediate testing as always required by laws and regulations. However, this is still not occurring.


So, if I take you at your word, I would still argue that enough evidence exists to suggest that not all is well.

It's also worth remembering that we the little people are usually kept in the dark until it's too late. Good enough reasons exist to justify a possible cover up any ill effects either on the military crews, or the surrounding population: The low cost, the wide spread deployment and the undeniable effectiveness of DU munitions.

Even if the dangers that this material can pose are at best still largely unknown, I for one would consider its deployment reckless.

posted on Oct, 7 2006 @ 08:50 PM
I will admit, and agree with you that these things in large doses are unhealthy, since any negative effects they had at first, are multiplied by the amount they are used in.

However, saying this, anyone who thinks to tell me 'they saw' a 'program' where the geiger was spiking near-depleted uranium, first:

a. Needs to stop spurting metaphorical '#' from their mouths.

b. Needs to understand why it is referred to as 'depleted'.

Even if the air had been saturated, as much as an actual combat scene can be, with DU-particles, they do not release enough radiation at a time for it to have been dangerous. It's when the stuff infiltrates into your respiratory, or digestive track, and it has times to release radiation from inside your body, that things become.. shall we say, troublesome.

Edit: I think everyone knew why it's referred to as 'Uranium'. But I meant why is it 'depleted'. XD

[edit on 8-10-2006 by Iblis]

posted on Oct, 8 2006 @ 01:53 AM

Originally posted by Agit8dChop

Can I ask what you would do? if your country was invaded and occupied.. and u saw the occupying force marching through your streets daily?
[edit on 5-10-2006 by Agit8dChop]

Well instead of going off and getting myself shot or blown up which would happen, you know not really doing anything at all accept leaving the world with one less person with my mentality. I might go out and vote for a government that I would like to run my country. It would take some getting used to, I mean with my old government we didn't have to vote, they just took care of anyone who didn't agree with them. I wouldn't want to go that route you know? I mean people might vote someone in who will let females get educated, or handle their problems in a resonable manner. I wouldn't really mind that the invading country dose not even want to be here anymore but I would cause a little more violance so they can stay a bit longer. I might even get some of my friends to come cause problems so they can get killed too.

As for the US military, there are many different types of people from many different countrys. Each and every member of the US military has a different mentality and as a whole the military dose not have intentions to hurt people. I will say that there are projects going on most likely to help the military keeps it's edge. In any project done by any group there are going to be accidents but they are not going to be intentional. In any large group of people there are going to be those bad apples. I know that that has been used often but it's true. We are human and we all make mistakes. In an eniroment where you have to push people and everything they come in contact with to their limits to it's limits there are going to be mistakes. That's just how things are.


posted on Oct, 8 2006 @ 02:10 AM
As a personal example, all-though I know they vary:

There's actually a U.S.-Goods market nearby where I'd been placed in Iraq. It was called 'Bush-Mart' or something to that translation, and, as said, it'd sell most everything American. Soldier's rations, shaving cream, ham-- which, I found out was very bad thing to offer to Muslim's, etc. And around this place were all the children who'd flocked to see what was being sold.

There, we'd give them candy, and play a game of .. soccer! No less. Very fun. I think the country took to it after the olympics.

So, while there is violence. And child-soldiers. In the more pacified, less-influenced-by-insurgent regions, Iraq is doing quite well. A bit odd. (They sold Bush-masks! Like the ones you can find of Nixon!) But well.

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