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Gwadar Watch Thread

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posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:28 PM
Baluch 'disappearances'

Thousands of people have "disappeared" from Baluchistan, according to Amnesty.

Document - Pakistan: Resolve hundreds of Baluch 'disappearances'

25 February 2009

The Pakistani government must immediately act on its commitment to trace hundreds of Baluch victims of enforced disappearances, Amnesty International said today.


Local people in Baluchistan are demanding a bigger share of the revenue generated by the province's natural resources, principally natural gas, which they believe now benefit other provinces. A number of Baluchi groups are seeking more rights for the province. Some of these groups have resorted to violence, while others are campaigning peacefully. The Pakistani national government has attempted to suppress this opposition by increasing the military presence in the region. Many people have died at the hands of the security forces in extrajudicial executions and deaths in custody, and thousands of people are reported to have "disappeared".

Click the link to read the full document.

posted on Mar, 1 2009 @ 06:45 PM
Indian Ocean - Center Stage for the Twenty-first Century

Here is some interesting read, not just about Gwadar, but about the Indian Ocean as a whole. The center stage for the twenty-first century...

Foreign Affairs - Center Stage for the Twenty-first Century - Robert D. Kaplan

One reason that Beijing wants desperately to integrate Taiwan into its dominion is so that it can redirect its naval energies away from the Taiwan Strait and toward the Indian Ocean.


As the competition between India and China suggests, the Indian Ocean is where global struggles will play out in the twenty-first century.

posted on Apr, 7 2009 @ 01:51 PM
Gwadar port to be an international open port?

There are big plans for Pakistan and for the future of the Gwadar port. The question is whether Gwadar will become an international open port or not.

Obama Plan promises Pakistan the moon

March 26, 2009

Regarding long-term solution to the problems associated with the Gwadar Port and the divergent strategic interests of the US and China related thereto, it is said, would be explored in regional context, and in this regard all the concerned parties will be taken into confidence for seriously considering the following options: Let Pakistan declare the Gwadar Sea Port as an international open port; Let both the USA and China jointly invest into developing the Gwadar Port as a Deep Sea Port of international standards; Let the USA build a land route and oil/gas pipelines from the Gwadar Deep Sea Port to the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) of Central Asia through Afghanistan; Let China construct a land route and railways (if feasible) from the Gwadar Deep Sea Port to its Khunjerab Pass and onward through Balochistan, NWFP and Northern Areas; Let India construct a motorway from New Delhi to Lahore and then Pakistan constructs a motorway and railways (if feasible) from Peshawar to Jalalabad, city of Afghanistan, and at the same time, Afghanistan constructs a motorway and railways (if feasible) from Jalalabad to the American-sponsored land route extending to the CIS thereby providing India and Pakistan a joint access to Afghanistan and to the Central Asian States; Let Iran construct a motorway and railways (if feasible) to the American-sponsored land route in Afghanistan extending to the central Asian CIS member states thereby providing Iran a land access to Afghanistan and the Central Asian States, and also to China through Pakistan or through the CIS; and Let India, Pakistan and Iran jointly build a gas pipeline from Paras Gas Field of Iran to India through Pakistan for meeting the growing energy needs of both India and Pakistan.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Jun, 13 2009 @ 09:40 AM
It appears Gwadar is not attractcing as much business as hoped.

Today I noticed this:
Gwadar Port declared tax free zone for 10 years

The government has declared the Gwadar Port as a tax free zone for ten years with an aim to boost the exports besides promoting trade

Here is an exerpt from B.RAMAN's Strategic Analysis web site, section 10 -15.

Unless and until there is peace and stability in Afghanistan, the prospects of Gwadar emerging as the gateway for the external trade of the CARs will remain weak.

On another note, remember the riots about a judge being sacked due to his objection to Singapore landing the contract to control Gwadar Port?

Raisani demands control of Gwadar Port

Balochistan Chief Minister Nawab Muhammad Aslam Raisani has demanded control of the Gwadar deep seaport and called for cancellation of agreement with the Singapore Port Authority.

[edit on 6/13/09 by makeitso]

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:46 AM
reply to post by Hellmutt

Another Bugti has been killed. Murid Bugti, the leader of BRP (Baloch Republican Party) has been killed in his house in Sikrind along with his brother.

BRP leader Murid Bugti killed along with his brother in Sikrind

BRP leader Murid Bugti killed

The spokesman of BRP Sher Muhammad Bugti has confirmed the murder of his party leader and alleges security forces and government Laskhar for his killing. In his statement he said on martyrdom of party leader party has announced three days mourning.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Jun, 20 2009 @ 05:32 PM
from the OP:

Originally posted by Hellmutt

If the US starts bombing oil facilities in Iran for instance, China will be very angry.

I told you so...

New thread:

Beijing Cautions US Over Iran (by JanusFIN)

China is the number one oil and gas importer from Iran...

posted on Jul, 9 2010 @ 06:32 AM
Chinese engineers working on an oil refinery in Gwadar survived an attempt on their lives.

Chinese engineers survive Quetta hotel attack

July 08, 2010

Several Chinese engineers working in Balochistan survived an attempt on their lives when unidentified assailants fired two rockets at a five -star hotel in the provincial metropolis, in a pre-dawn attack on Wednesday.


The Chinese engineers had arrived in Gwadar recently and were reportedly working on an oil refinery. Official sources believe that they were the targets of the attack.

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:16 AM
"Unstoppable China"...

Unstoppable China (8 Aug 2010)

“Not being an Indian Ocean power there are limitations in the way PLA Navy can be deployed in the Indian Ocean region. China is working towards a strategy to overcome this deficiency by creating dependency ports from Gwadar to Myanmar.”

The reason for China to establish an Indian Ocean presence is to ensure that the sea lines of communication that transport its energy from Middle East and Africa are safeguarded

The following is not directly related to Gwadar, as it's focused on the South China Sea, but...

Concerned about China's rise, Southeast Asian nations build up militaries (9 Aug 2010)

The nations of Southeast Asia are building up their militaries, buying submarines and jet fighters at a record pace and edging closer strategically to the United States as a hedge against China's rise and its claims to all of the South China Sea.

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:48 AM
reply to post by Hellmutt
Hellmutt, Is it possible for old threads to have a date of original posting in the thread title?

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 10:59 AM
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy

Why? Every post has a date stamp already. Why do you want it in the title? So that you don't have to click on it or something?

posted on Aug, 9 2010 @ 11:10 AM
reply to post by Hellmutt
No , more like it would be just for clarification
Easy on the defenses man,

posted on Aug, 31 2010 @ 02:08 PM
PLA Infantry battalion in Pakistan

Chinese troops are in Pakistan, in order to secure the building of the railroad that will eventually connect China with Gwadar.

Army passes intel to Govt: PLA men at pass linking PoK to China

Aug 31 2010

The Army has received confirmation that China deployed an infantry battalion of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) at the 15,397-feet Khunjerab Pass on the Karakoram highway this month for the security of its workers engaged in building a railroad. This railroad will eventually connect Xinjiang to the port of Gwadar in Balochistan, Pakistan.

Related thread:
China pouring thousands of troops in Kashmir

posted on Oct, 3 2010 @ 04:01 PM
China is building nuclear reactors and raising flood aid to Pakistan.

Opportunity within reach

26 Sep, 2010

It has been a good week for Sino-Pak relations. China reiterated its commitment to expanding the Chashma nuclear energy complex by building two additional reactors, and pooh-poohed any talk of seeking approval from the Nuclear Suppliers Group for the project.

Moreover, while addressing a United Nations anti-poverty summit, Chinese premier Wen Jiabao announced $200mn — in addition to the $47mn already pledged — in emergency flood aid for Pakistan.


Pakistan is quite happy to let China traverse its territory to gain access to Gwadar, and through that port, to the Gulf. After all, Chinese investment means infrastructure development for Pakistan, as well as added benefits such as the civilian nuclear power deals.

India is concerned over China's activities in Pakistan...

A New Shenzhen

September 25, 2010

[---]Plans to build a rail line from Kashgar to the Arabian Sea via Pakistan would link the Chinese-built port of Gwadar with China and, with an accompanying pipeline, shave days off oil shipments from the Persian Gulf. Dubbed the “Iron Silk Road” by Chinese media, the route passes through disputed and nearly anarchic Pakistani territory. This scheme, which involves military infrastructure near Indian territory in a disputed zone, worries India; in July, the country’s minister of state and defense expressed “concern” over the project.

posted on May, 22 2011 @ 03:57 PM
Pakistan is taking Gwadar port away from Singapore and giving it to China asap.

Pakistan Says China to Operate Key Port

posted on Sep, 20 2012 @ 05:00 PM
China takes over Gwadar Port

China tacitly confirms Gwadar Port takeover

September 05, 2012

BEIJING - Ahead of Prime Minister Raja Pervaiz Ashraf’s visit here, China on Tuesday tacitly confirmed reports that it was taking over the strategic Gwadar deep water port in Balochistan, which it may convert into an oil pipeline hub to augment its energy supplies from the Gulf.

Balochistan: Foiling the conspiracies (September 18, 2012)

Robert D. Kaplan, the distinguished geopolitical analyst of Stratfor, who authored at least fourteen books, writes about the Balochistan province of Pakistan as, “One key to its fate is the future of Gwadar, a strategic port whose development will either unlock the riches of Central Asia, or plunge Pakistan into a savage, and potentially terminal, civil war.” What we are witnessing today in Balochistan is the true manifestation of the ‘Resource Curse Theory’ or the deciding time of the Kaplon’s analysis. Balochistan is a prey to conspiracies by different regional and extra-regional powers.

Located at the mouth of Persian Gulf, right at the proximity of the Straits of Hormuz, the Gwadar port of Pakistan has a strategic significance. Since the major shipping route connecting three main continents; Asia, Africa and Europe are passing through the vicinity of this port, therefore, it has attained the status of a key strategic and commercial port. Over sixty percent of global trade and transportation of oil tankers takes place through the neighbouring waters of the Gwadar Port.

posted on Feb, 2 2013 @ 08:28 PM
Pakistan has approved Gwadar port transfer to China.

Pakistan approves Gwadar port transfer to China

AFP | 3 days ago

Pakistan on Wednesday approved a deal transferring from Singapore to China the management of the strategically located deep-sea Gwadar port on the Arabian Sea.


With Gwadar in kitty, China expands logistics

03 February 2013

China can thwart any Indian move in the strategically important regions — or for that matter, in any battle zone — by mobilising over 70,000 troops in one go by air and sea, compared to a mere 3,000 by India, that too, only through the waters.

India’s Defence planners are a worried lot after China conducted the first flight trial of indigenously-built Y-20 last week. Capable of airlifting 66 tons, Y-20, a medium transport aircraft, will enable China to make its airborne corps (30,000 soldiers) fully operational.

Having ensured uninterrupted energy supply to propel its growing economy by gaining control of Gwadar Port, China is now projecting power by enhancing its air and naval capabilities to make land forces reach the intended areas of operations.

posted on Feb, 3 2013 @ 03:21 AM
Iran supports Pakistan's decision to transfer Gwadar port to China.

Allaying fears: Iran doesn’t disfavour Gwadar port, says top aide

A top foreign policy aide of Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said that his country is not trying to sabotage the Gwadar deep-sea port which is portrayed by Western analysts as a rival to Iran’s Chabahar port.

“Enemies [of Iran and Pakistan] want to destabilise the relationship between the two countries through negative propaganda,” Ali Akbar Walaiti, who is also former foreign minister of Iran, told journalists at Iranian consulate in Quetta on Sunday.

Pakistani cabinet approved earlier this week transfer of Gwadar port to China. Asked about the decision, Walaiti said it was for the people of Pakistan to decide how to utilise the port. “Tehran supports Pakistan’s decisions,” he added.

posted on Mar, 9 2013 @ 12:51 PM
Iran plans to lay an oil pipeline and a gas pipeline to Gwadar, and to set up a major oil refinery in Gwadar.

UNPO: Balochistan: Iran To Establish Oil Refinery In Gwadar

March 7, 2013

Iran plans to set up the largest refinery in Pakistan, a US$4 billion facility at Gwadar in the country's southwestern Balochistan province.

Islamabad and Tehran are set to sign a deal for the refinery, which will have a 400,000 barrels per day capacity, on March 11 [2013], the day two sides have announced they will begin the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project on their border.

Iran’s plan to lay an oil pipeline and establish an oil refinery in Gwadar is likely to raise eyebrows in Washington, which is already opposed to the IP (Iran-Pakistan) gas pipeline.

China last month took over operational control of Gwadar Port and agreed to put funding in place that will make it the biggest investor in the port city after simultaneously becoming the builder, financer and operator of the Arabian Sea port, which is located near the Strait of Hormuz, through which most of its oil imports transit. A major oil refinery could turn Gwadar into a transit terminal for Iranian and African crude oil imports.

An oil pipeline from Gwadar to western China will reduce the time and distance for oil transport from the Gulf to China and a major oil refinery at Gwadar would further facilitate China’s oil imports.

posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 02:36 PM
Pakistan strengthen the defence of Gwadar Port, to counter acts of terrorism, etc.

Navy commissions 3rd Marines Battalion in Gwadar

Saturday, March 30, 2013

Addressing the commissioning ceremony in Gwadar, Vice Chief of Naval Staff Vice Admiral Muhammad Shafiq, the chief guest, said the country was braving internal and external threats, making security today’s main concern.

He said the Marines always remained steadfast and proved their mettle whenever the nation needed them.

Whether it is border defence in creek areas, air defence of Navy assets, security of sensitive areas, aid to civil power during natural disasters or countering acts of terrorism, the Marines have always lived up to the expectations of the nation, he added.

posted on Mar, 30 2013 @ 03:44 PM
Dummy me I just caught this thread....Thank you for posting!

China's pearl in Pakistan's waters
By Sudha Ramachandran

BANGALORE - When Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visits Pakistan this month to inaugurate the Gwadar deepsea port, China will take a giant leap forward in gaining a strategic foothold in the Persian Gulf region. It will advance what a recent Pentagon report describes as Beijing's "string of pearls" strategy that aims to project Chinese power overseas and protect China's energy security at home.

Gwadar is a fishing village on the Arabian Sea coast in the Pakistani province of Balochistan. Balochistan shares borders with Afghanistan and Iran to the west - Gwadar is just 72 kilometers from the Iranian border. More important is Gwadar's proximity to the Persian Gulf. It is situated near the mouth of this strategic body of water, and about 400km from the Strait of Hormuz, a major conduit for global oil supplies.

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