Gwadar Watch Thread

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posted on Mar, 19 2007 @ 12:56 AM
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I noticed the riots, but I had no idea that they were related to Gwadar. Great find, makeitso
March 20, that's tomorrow...

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Here's a picture from the riots. Hundreds of lawyers wearing black suits vs. police



Photo: AP




posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 01:55 AM
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The desalination plant in Gwadar was opened yesterday. Today they will open the Gwadar port. However, they have managed to get only three ships for the opening ceremony.


Rs 1.2 Bln Desalination Plant in Gwadar Inaugurated


Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz performed the inauguration of a 200,000 gallons per day desalination plant costing Rs 1.2 billion in the coastal city of Gwadar on Monday.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Ships rounded up for Gwadar port opening


Practically, not a single importer has booked his cargo for the Gwadar port, sources said. No exporter or port user has expressed interest in the usage of the port, they said.

For the inauguration ceremony, authorities have managed the berthing of three ships, sources said. Though the circles associated with the shipping in the country did not deny the importance of Gwadar in the future, they said that a minimum 6-8 years were required for a port to develop into a busy port of call. It takes time, they said. Tuesday’s is not more than a political show, they maintained.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

edit: can't spall...

[edit on 2007/3/20 by Hellmutt]



posted on Mar, 20 2007 @ 06:12 PM
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Excellent! Ill be watching this space. Always wondered how that was shaping up, glad someone here's looking. This is the end of the line for that trans-Afghan pipeline corridor to feed East asia - will be a big deal. Sorry no tme to read all now...



posted on Mar, 21 2007 @ 01:08 PM
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lol..
It looks like one of those lawyers is brandishing a stick of his own!


May I inquire the quaint interest in Gwadar Helmutt?


Gwadar could serve as a very 'convinient' listening post for the Chinese esp in relation to certain USN fleet movements in and around the Straits of Hormuz.

The chinese are known to procure-develop 'strategically' located obervation posts(REad Cocos Islands, Myanmar)



posted on Mar, 28 2007 @ 08:34 PM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3

May I inquire the quaint interest in Gwadar Helmutt?

I find Gwadar to be a very interesting and important place. Astronomical amounts of money have been invested there. Gwadar has huge strategic value in many ways, and there's apparently a proxy war going on there. India has nukes. Pakistan has nukes. China has nukes. And the US is involved everywhere. A major incident at Gwadar could in the worst case trigger a nuclear war. That's why I'm interested in Gwadar.


Btw, Pakistan are planning to import 500 MW more electricity from Iran...


500 MW of electricity to be imported from Iran

March 29, 2007



“We have started negotiations with Iran for import of 500 MW more in view of the massive demand of electricity in the duty-free Gwadar Port in the years to come,” sources in Wapda told The News.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Mar, 29 2007 @ 01:51 AM
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Yep with the Indians making inroads into the Pacific, the Chinese are trying to debut in the Indian Ocean/Arabian Sea/Bay of Bengal.

Here's an interesting link:

Indian Fleet Leaves on 'Historic' Trip

Anyways I doubt 'nukes' in particular have much to do with value of Gwadar. Like I said before, with 3 CSGs in and around the Straits of Hormuz , Gwadar serves as an excellent position for eavesdropping,observing and cataloguing info on USN vessels. After All all the action is in a 500km radius off Gwadar.

If you can see Gwadar is only ~100km from the Iranian border.
hence Gwadar also allows the Pakistan Navy to get some buffer distance between itself and the ever-growing Indian surface fleet. High-Value naval assets at Gwadar can be guarded and alerted to any possible IN adventure by Pakistani naval EW further down the coast; i.e. in and around Karachi.
In order to sneak up on Gwadar un-noticed the IN would need to approach the port on an axis which would actually put it close to ME countries like Oman. This area is crowded as it is with the USN,RN etc etc..all jamboreeing there.

Finally(I think this has been mentioned here before) Gwadar can possibly allow Pakistan to exert influence over all vital shipping lanes in the region. Thus Pakistan(and more importnatly China) can keep watch over their energy supply routes from the MiddleEast. The Gwadar port can also serve as a route by which chinese energy supplies transit through Pakistan and into China without ever having to go through the Straits of Malacca and US allies in ASEAN.

However there is another twist to it all:
The region that connects Pakistan and China is rife with the Kashmir problem
and India has just finished construction of its first foreign AFB at Ayni, Tajikistan.

Complications complications..



posted on Mar, 29 2007 @ 08:31 AM
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Btw if you want a real heavy-duty naval yard, then check this out.



Project Seabird: Asia's largest Naval Base in the making:



"China's submarines, especially its nuclear attack submarines, will frequent Gwadar [a deep sea port in the Pakistani province of Balochistan, which is being described as China's 'listening post' in the Persian Gulf] in the near future. Besides monitoring Chinese naval movements in these waters, India will have to keep an eye on Pakistan's deployment of its newest submarines - the new Air Independent Propulsion [AIP] submarines, like the French Scorpene," Prabhakar says.

"AIP submarines are the quietest ones in the class; running deep and running silent. The varying isothermal layers of the Arabian Sea, owing to the warmth of the waters and salinity, renders detecting sonar signals extremely complicated. Hence the need to have a geostrategic naval base in between Mumbai and Kochi would result in better surveillance and reconnaissance," Prabhakar says, adding that the sea lanes of communication in the Arabian Sea would be monitored better.


Source

though this article is old (2005 vintage), it makes interesting claims:

1) Chinese SSNs WILL visit Gwadar. Boy that's like leaving a cat among the rats. With all the USN & o. activity in the area, PLAN SSNs would just awesomely complicate it all.

2) Karwar to be the largest port in Asia which will eventually house IN carriers and nuclear subs. That makes this a prime target for conventional as well as nuclear strikes. The base is said to be blessed with natural geololgical advatages likes higlands and cliff faces which tend to shield high-value naval assets from all kinds of surveillance.


From Google Earth pics it looks like the Gwadar initiative hasn't quite picked up as yet.. but 200billion USD is a lot of money, as compared to a measly 9 billion USD for Project Seabird.
Another thing about Gwadar is it is in terrain that is sooo visible from sat surveillance..
Interesting natural beaching though!

Gwadar:




Project Seabird:





posted on Apr, 29 2007 @ 09:28 PM
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An earthquake has hit Gwadar. No immediate reports of any damage or casualties.

Mild quake jolts southwest Pakistan


April 30, 2007

Local residents rushed out of homes, shops and cafes in panic after feeling tremors in the Arabian Sea coastal town of Gwadar, witnesses said.

A part of a hill overlooking the newly-built deep-sea Gwadar port slid away during the jolts, but there were no casualties or damage to any buildings, they said.

Local government officials and rescue services confirmed there were no immediate reports of damage or casualties.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Jun, 7 2007 @ 09:09 PM
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Cyclone Gonu

Cyclone Gonu have caused lots of damage already. More than 100 anchored boats have been damaged in Gwadar, and over 100 fishermen are missing.

Pakistan Times: Pakistani fishermen asked to stay ashore


Rough seas have already damaged dozens of fishing boats in Balochistan, especially near the deep seaport in Gwadar.

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Gwadar Nazim Majid Sorabi said strong winds had damaged more than 100 anchored boats.

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Dawn: Storm, tidal waves lash Makran coast



“High tides and strong winds have been lashing the Makran coast since Monday night,” an official told Dawn. He said widespread rains and strong winds had caused extensive damage to government installations and fishing boats over an arc stretching from Jiwani to Gwadar

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Agencies add: Over one hundred fishermen went missing as intermittent rain hit the coastal areas of Jati, Shahbundar, Ketibundar and Kharo-chhan.

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Related ATS Thread:
Cat 5 Hurricane in Persian Gulf!!! Weather Wars or Wrath of God???



posted on Jul, 3 2007 @ 11:05 AM
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Here's a bit different view of the port that I ran accross.

Gwadar Port WikiMapia



posted on Jul, 5 2007 @ 09:56 PM
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A Controversial Dam

A dam is said to have contributed to the recent flooding in Balochistan, which was caused by a freak weather system. Whole villages were washed away, at least 70,000 lost their homes and hundreds have died. The locals protested a lot when this dam was being built, and they said they didn't want it. It was built anyway despite the protests, and the locals were told: "it's for your own good"...


BBC: Pakistan's dam of sorrow?

5 July 2007


The BBC's Ilyas Khan reports on a controversy over whether a local dam contributed to the recent flooding in Pakistan's Balochistan province.

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Political circles widely believe the dam was built to ensure drinking water supply to Gwadar, whose population is expected to reach five million as port-related activities pick up over the next decade.

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Five million...



posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 06:22 AM
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Someone apparently tried to kill Musharraf!



Pakistan security official says Musharraf plane fired on


06/07/2007


Pakistan President Pervez Musharraf’s plane was fired on as it took off on Friday from a military airfield in Rawalpindi, an intelligence officer said, contradicting official denials.

Musharraf’s plane arrived safely in the southwestern town of Turbat, where the president visited flood victims. The military denied there had been any attack.

But an intelligence officer, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there had been an unsuccessful attempt on Musharraf’s life.

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posted on Jul, 6 2007 @ 05:10 PM
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...and here's a thread about the latest assassination attempt on Musharraf.



Possible Assassination Attempt on Pakistani President Musharraf (by the_sentinal)



posted on Aug, 14 2007 @ 02:50 AM
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A stewardess has been arrested when she tried to board a plane from Karachi to Gwadar while carrying a gun.


Pakistani Flight Attendant Caught With Weapon


August 13, 2007


The stewardess, in her mid-20s, was carrying the pistol in her hand luggage as she tried to board a PIA flight from Karachi to the port city of Gwadar, they said.

"She was caught this morning by Airports Security Force personnel and has been handed over to the police now," Maqsood Ahmed, a Superintendent of Police said.

It was not immediately clear as to why the woman tried to take the weapon onto the flight. Ahmed said the police were investigating.

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posted on Jan, 29 2008 @ 12:46 AM
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This thread just came to my attention --another Hellmutt gold-- and despite maybe the most important geopolitical move in todays world, it is about 100% blacked out by MSN.

Watch the Indian Ocean, the strtegic most important stretch of the globe, and that's where it's gonna happen. When it happens.

*BUMP*



posted on Feb, 26 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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The first cargo ship carrying wheat will be anchored at Gwadar Port on March 15.


Pakistan Times: First ship anchors at Gwadar Port on March 15


The very first cargo ship carrying wheat will be anchored at Gwadar Port on March 15 following the installation of gantry cranes at the port.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Mar, 15 2008 @ 07:13 PM
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Gwadar port begins its cargo handling from Saturday. Contruction of a network of roads is still in process, to connect Gwadar with Iran, Afghanistan and China.


Gwadar Port cargo handling kicks off


March 16, 2008


Following decades of perseverance, Gwadar Port finally making history by beginning its cargo handling from Saturday.

Experts said that besides Pakistan, China, Afghanistan, Central Asian countries Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan Russian states would also be using this port, which would be fetching Pakistan huge revenue in terms of foreign exchange, local media reported.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Mar, 15 2008 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by Hellmutt
The Chinese have invested at least over $200 Billion (two hundred Billion dollars!) in Gwadar alone


Its nowhere near 200 billion

Its 200 million for the initial highway linking Gwadar.



posted on Mar, 15 2008 @ 08:34 PM
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I wonder if it's crossed the mind of anyone in power that once this port is open, "something" that would block the Straits of Hormuiz (sp) might mean that all Iraq oil would have to goto this port, and maybe most of Iran's. (Radiation makes areas risky to work in.)

Now could foreknowledge of such a thing have bearing on all those cables that were cut last month, which run through the area that planners might want to see closed?

I naturally have no answers, but it does make one wonder about global chess games.



posted on Dec, 5 2008 @ 05:07 PM
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Gwadar has been declared a tax-free zone for the next 20 years.


Gwadar port declared tax-free zone for 20 years


November 30, 2008


The federal government has declared the Gwadar Deep Sea Port a tax-free zone for the next 20 years under the Gwadar Master Plan.

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Mr Wattoo informed the meeting that under the Gwadar Master Plan the port city and surrounding areas measuring 90,000 acres would be given tax-free status.

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