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Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
Originally posted by dbrandt
There is an old Bible verse/truth. Probably most of us have heard of it at one time or another, but I doubt it's meaning is properly appreciated very often. It goes like this:
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
You are right that its meaning is not properly appreciated. In fact, I've never encountered anyone who quoted it, who did understand it.
Perhaps you are an exception. Do elaborate.
[edit on 26-8-2006 by Two Steps Forward]
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
The meaning of the fable:
Every religion is a jug, finite and limited in its scope. God is the ocean. When you attempt to fit God into a religion and bind Him/Her/It to that religion's limits, you might as well be trying to bottle the ocean. The real test is: throw the bottle on the ocean and see if it floats. And if you see another bottle floating out there along with yours, it's no heresy: bear in mind that the ocean is bigger than your bottle.
Originally posted by dbrandt
The God of the Bible says it's not like that. There's only one of Me, and this is how you can know me and live with me for all of eternity, because that's what I want. I don't want you to have to guess about it, I'm going to tell you the way, as a matter of fact I'm going to take care of the hardest part myself, removing your sin.
That's what it means.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Example, In hinduism the are millions of "gods". You need to apease them and seek different ones out for different problems
Not to mention the sick little game of reincarnation with these "gods". That you will have to be a pawn for their sick little games for eons and eons of time.
The God of the Bible says it's not like that.
That's what it means.
Originally posted by Ersatz
Originally posted by dbrandt
The God of the Bible says it's not like that. There's only one of Me, and this is how you can know me and live with me for all of eternity, because that's what I want. I don't want you to have to guess about it, I'm going to tell you the way, as a matter of fact I'm going to take care of the hardest part myself, removing your sin.
That's what it means.
Which part of the elephant are you touching there?
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
Well, now, how is that any worse than being a pawn of the Christian God's sick little games -- I definitely see burning people alive perpetually as sick -- for eons and eons of time?
That's what it means.
No.
Originally posted by dbrandt
You do realize God didn't tell those "christians" to kill those people over the centuries.
Not everyone who says they are a christian really are. Those burned at the stake were there because they were telling and living the truth of who God really is and what He really says, so they were being silenced.
You say that's not what it means, I say it is and it is much more than what I even wrote down.
Once again God wants us to know Him.
It's about a choice, I have made mine and you have made yours.
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
He knew that what he had to say couldn't be said in straight language.
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
This is an old Sufi fable. Probably most of us have heard of it at one time or another, but I doubt its meaning is properly appreciated very often. It goes like this:
Once there were six blind men who had heard tales of the elephant and wanted to check out this marvelous beast. So they went to India and found an elephant munching hay. They couldn't see it, of course, but each of the blind men moved to touch the elephant, and each declaimed on what he found.
One happened to lay hold of the elephant's tusk. "The elephant," he said, "is like a spear!"
Another grasped the elephant's trunk. "The elephant," he said, "is like a snake!"
A third wrapped his arms around the elephant's leg. "The elephant," he said, "is like a tree!"
The fourth placed his hands upon the elephant's ear. "The elephant," said he, "is like a fan!"
The fifth simply bumped into the elephant's broad side. "The elephant," he claimed somberly, "is like a wall!"
And the sixth happened to approach the elephant from behind and lay hold of its tail. "The elephant," he decided, "is like a rope!"
The men discussed their encounter afterward, and soon fell to arguing, and they became angry and pounded one another with their canes. Each espoused his claim to know what the elephant was like with great sincerity. But although each of them was partly right, all of them were wrong.
The meaning of the fable:
The elephant is God.
We are all blind, for the sight needed to fully see God is not human sight, and is forever beyond our brains' capacity.
The world's scriptures were all written by blind men for blind men. And although all of them contain a part of the truth (if one has enough vision to understand it, which few do), none contains the whole.
The world's religions in their disputes are blind men whacking each other with their canes over something they ought to know is beyond their understanding anyway.
The world's scriptures were all written by blind men for blind men. And although all of them contain a part of the truth (if one has enough vision to understand it, which few do), none contains the whole.
Originally posted by dbrandt
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
He knew that what he had to say couldn't be said in straight language.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Of course it could.
Originally posted by UnrealZA
The narrator knows that the elephant is not God and that the 6 blind men are in error.
First you claim that the Scriptures only have "part of the truth" and then state "none contains the whole". How did you come to know this?
You state this with such confidence as if you are privy to truths most are not.
The elephant is not literally God. Do you not understand the concept of allegory?
By reading various scriptures and studying various religions in the light of my own experience of the Sacred. I can find pointers to what I know is the Truth in all religions. But the very fact that different pointers are found in different ones shows that none contains the whole, because if it did, it would contain the same pointers as found in others.
Unfortunately, I also know that the truths to which I am privy cannot be communicated in words. Each person must discover them for himself/herself.
Originally posted by UnrealZA
Seeing, though, as how the story teller knows that it is truly an elephant THAT then is the ONLY view of reality that is correct.
In other words, you had a preconceived idea of what you believed god, truth and reality to be.
This is one huge contradiction.....again! As if anyone should be surprised. I won't state them though, perhaps you can see the errors in it?
Originally posted by Two Steps Forward
UnrealZA, I'm going to add a suggestion of a personal nature.
Leave the insults and nastiness out of your posts. You do nothing to enhance your arguments by inserting such gratuitous invective. On the contrary, it goes a long way towards earning you the contempt of everyone who reads it. And that makes it less likely that you will be taken seriously.