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China has downloaded 10 to 20 Terabytes of data from our Military.

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posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 03:45 AM
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Major General William Lord recently speaking to a group of civilians explained how China has obtained mass quantities of data from the militarys internal network.
 



www.gcn.com
The Pentagon's primary Internet backbone, the Global Information Grid, comes under siege some 3 million times a day by outsiders looking for a way to penetrate military networks. And the outsiders come from all over the world, whether American script kiddies trying to prove their skills or Eastern European hackers looking for information they can sell.

“They’re looking for your identity so they can get into the network as you,” said Lord, adding that Chinese hackers had yet to penetrate DOD’s secret, classified network. “There is a nation-state threat by the Chinese.”

People’s Liberation Army writings in recent years have called for the use of all means necessary, including—or particularly—information warfare, to support or advance their nation’s interests.




Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Major General Lord is simply saying out loud what White House and DoD officials have known for almost three years; that's how long the hacking and data thefts are known to have been going on. What he did not say was that the same techniques (and attackers) have proven successful in penetrating DoD contractors such as Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, and penetrating many other government agencies including some you would not expect the Chinese military to care about. The failure of federal agencies and contractors to protect sensitive information is due to ignorance and complacency.

A good example of this would be the contractor who took sensative information home with him on a laptop. All I can say from a personal stand point is, hold on people it's only going to get worse. You have some real winners at the helm of your Government IT dept.

Related News Links:
www.gcn.com

[edit on 21-8-2006 by rancid1]




posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 03:54 PM
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Ok, I gotta ask these two questions.

1. Why does'nt the military use it's own secured internet,
not connected to the global net.

2. When are we gonna tell China we're willing to destroy
them if they don't stop.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 03:59 PM
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1. Why does'nt the military use it's own secured internet,
not connected to the global net.


because that would defeat the reason for developing the internet in the beginning. The original point of ARPAnet was to creat a web of information medium that couldn't be cut off. If one city is taken out by an attack, the information would be able to re-route its self around the broken link. if the Gov't was not connected to the main infastructure, it would be useless, unless they had their own double of it which would be a waste of money.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 03:59 PM
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20 terabytes...... damn thats a load of stuff to be stealing.... and yes it makes me wonder just why there sensitive stuff is out in the open to be stolen on unsecure networks...

China is a vast and deadly menace to world stability, and these thefts in search of the so called 'silver bullet' will do vast amounts of damage to its reputation in America.

War however is not the answer. the answer lies in not employing Chinese people on sensitive projects, and keeping data on a military only network. One thing makes me wonder though - do they have wifi access on these bases? if so, is it really secure?



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 04:01 PM
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As far as I understand (though I'm no military expert) classified networks are NOT connected to the Internet.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 04:02 PM
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OK, I gotta ask these two questions.

1. Why doesn't the military use it's own secured INTERNET,
not connected to the global net.

2. When are we gonna tell China we're willing to destroy
them if they don't stop.


To the first one, I guess that could be almost impossible to do.

On the second one. . . US knows to whom it exercises its power and it knows from whom to stay away.

China and Russia are countries that US rather do not antagonized to much.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 04:15 PM
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I would be willing to bet we have hacked their stuff too.
Maybe all they got is a list of porn sites left there to piss them off.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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www.sfgate.com.../chronicle/archive/1999/11/08/MN25750.DTL


Midway through the war with Yugoslavia, the Defense Department's top legal office issued guidelines warning that misuse of computer network attacks could subject U.S. authorities to war crimes charges. It advised commanders to apply the same ``law of war'' principles to computer attack that they do to the use of bombs and missiles. These call for hitting targets that are of military necessity only, minimizing collateral damage and avoiding indiscriminate attacks.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


war crimes for defending ourselves, whats next...


The full extent of the U.S. computer arsenal is among the most tightly held national security secrets. But reports point to a broad range of weapons under development, including use of computer viruses, or ``logic bombs,'' to disrupt enemy networks; the feeding of false information to sow confusion; and the morphing of video images onto foreign television stations to deceive. Last month, the Pentagon announced it was consolidating plans for offensive as well as defensive computerized operations under a four-star general who heads the U.S. Space Command in Colorado Springs, Colo.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


Interesting article, maybe we aren't so dumb after all.



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 04:46 PM
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Doesn't surprise me. Hell we have sold some of our ports and bases to them, and have even allowed them access to our secrets. The government has a very dangerous habit of ignoring the growing threat that is China. Its pretty well known that China someday plans to supplant us, after all. We are practically letting them, too.


df1

posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by djohnsto77
As far as I understand (though I'm no military expert) classified networks are NOT connected to the Internet.

They are not supposed to be connected to the internet, however it has happened before.

The chinese have been accessing DOD data at least since 1998. The preceding link serves only to document that USAF data was compromised, however the story greatly minimizes the amount and type of data which was compromised, as well as the global scope of this security breach. What actually happened is that a chinese national employed by a DOD contractor made all USAF operational logistics data accessable via unsecured internet connections. This included live data from every USAF facility in over 130 countries and it was internet accessable for well over 2 months before the data breach was even discovered. Without a doubt this security exposure consisted of terabytes of USAF data available to the chinese or anybody else with an internet connection.

As to why the story was minimized and the chinese national at the center of problem was only given a hand slap I have no answer. But I can assure you based on my being on the IT team sent in to clean up the mess that this 1998 security breach was on a massive scale equivalent to the one discussed in the source article of this thread.

The DOD computer security threat needs to be addressed on a continuous basis as new technology compromises computer systems in unexpected ways, resulting in security always having to play catch up with the latest and greatest advances. Currently USAF is struggling to reign in wireless networks on military installation. The wireless networks are already banned for use on USAF bases, but wireless routers are so cheap, ubiquitous and easy to use that the military has teams on each base scanning for open connections so they can shut them down. Memory sticks are also a major security problem for USAF.
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posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 05:28 PM
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So can we say the easiest solution to this problem is to hack China's intel? This way everyone is happy! (I'm kidding).



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 05:31 PM
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Industrial and commercial espionage from China and other nations is nothing new. Sad as that may be it is just fact, China wants to know what we are capable of giving Taiwan. And not to mention potential allies of course, China wants for its self the tech obviously as well.

There have been a few cases inthe recent decades involving local US government employees selling info to the Chinese. The lies and spies didn't end with the Cold War, to think so would be a first sign of a sheltered awareness. But I get the impression most of you know such already.

If people in general payed attention to the details instead of being distracted by all the smoke and mirrors, the news groups would have to earn their money. A self informed people are alert, those told what they know are allowing themselves to be "lead" a stray.

Besides who doesn't want US military information, a country that doesn't would not be much of an achiever would it.



KAO, YEN MEN, a Chinese national, residing in Charlotte, North Carolina, was arrested on 3 December 1993, after a six-year investigation into a spy ring that sought secrets on advanced naval weapons and technology.

CHIN, LARRY WU-TAI, retired CIA employee, was arrested 22 November 1985 and accused of having carried out a 33-year career of espionage on behalf of the People's Republic of China.

Office of Counterintelligence
Chinese Espionage in the United States

Stars & Stripes
They are sending us a message. ? The Chinese are not our friend, and they keep trying ... They have engaged in espionage activities in which U.S. military ...




[edit on 21-8-2006 by ADVISOR]



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 05:37 PM
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How is this any different than spy's getting the info? surely spy's can access alot more info than 20 terabytes as well as recruit and cause havoc and well just about all other stuff they do too.

[edit on 21-8-2006 by blobby]



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 05:45 PM
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Sorry about that, I edited my above post/reply with links to show what I was mentioning. You might get a good idea of the answer to your question by going back over my reply above yours.



The report shall address the current and probable future course of military-technological development on the People’s Liberation Army and the tenets and probable development of Chinese
Annual Report on the PRC



[edit on 21-8-2006 by ADVISOR]



posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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Dear all,

i live in china since 3 years now and you can prepare your @@@@@ because they are going to blow your mind on every sctor you can imagine.

for example did you know that a chinese business man called li ka shing is the only man ("REALLY")who is feared by the american senate.

you have to go to shanghai, beijing or hong kong to imagine the real wealth of certain people there.

but you know what i am happy because world needs a balance right.

last but not least the chinese currency is undervalued by 59% accordng to certain analysts.

china will not engage into armed conflicts because they understood centuries ago the advantage of conquering economically rather than with violence (by destorying the assets of the oponent). you might want to read again the art of war.

learn chinese before its too late...

i wonder why so many people want to keep tibet quiet...certains enlightened people would say there are some very strong positive aura there bothering some NWO or OTO bros...

bye for now



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 12:28 AM
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As extreme as this will soubnd, it really does show how I feel.


learn chinese before its too late...

I'd rather turn Beijing, Hong Kon and Shanghai into radioactive craters,
before I'd let them destroy the democracy that
has taken so long to even begin.



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 07:57 AM
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2. When are we gonna tell China we're willing to destroy
them if they don't stop.


lmao..i'd love to hear that. it'd be so awesome. id gain alot more respect for bush if he would grow the balls to talk trash about another country. especially a regional power and emerging world power such as china.


China and Russia are countries that US rather do not antagonized to much.


No sir i'm afraid you're sadly mistaken. Russia is still on the decline since the fall of the USSR. they've reduced their military budget to 19 billion a year. Ours is near 500 billion. Their nuclear technology is out dated. Their missile systems and radar systems are very near the end of their life span because they simply aren't keeping up with developing stealth technology and missile technology by other countries. Russian military experts, ACTUAL RUSSIANS, said that in the next 10 years, if Russia doesn't drastically upgrade their military, the United States would be able to COMPLETELY wipe out Russia and there'd be very little Russia could do to even resist an invasion or massive air attack.

As for China..we all agree their an EMERGING super power. Their not a super power yet. As of right now, we're still capable of defeating China. Yeah it'd be a lot harder than it was to defeat the Iraqi military but we still could. People fail to realize that, yeah of course, China's military is growing and improving..but so is ours. Are we just going to stop technological development to let them catch up? No..we're not. Keep that in mind.

You claim to say WE wouldnt dare attack THEM..but do you think they would dare attack us? Of course they'd like to..but do you think they wouldn't be afraid of what was in store with our response to an attack? I hope you don't believe that.


The government has a very dangerous habit of ignoring the growing threat that is China. Its pretty well known that China someday plans to supplant us, after all. We are practically letting them, too.


How are they ignoring it? The Pentagon has commented time and time again that their concerned with China's growth. They may WANT to supplant us but CAN they? Like I just said..their technology isn't the only one developing every day. Ours is too. Imagine how much secret technology we have. Where exactly is all of that 500 billion dollars going if we're having a hard time in Iraq? I think if anybody is being underestimated here it's our military capability. Not China's.


learn chinese before its too late...


Yeah ok whatever dude. Learn who you're dealing with before it's too late..


I'd rather turn Beijing, Hong Kon and Shanghai into radioactive craters,
before I'd let them destroy the democracy that
has taken so long to even begin.


Thank you! finally somebody agrees with me. I say the slightest movement by China to destroy us or our government we nuke them. Their a nuclear threat. Their communists. Destroy them before they get too close.



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 08:14 AM
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Another "scary China" thread.

The french have more spies in the US than China, by a factor of several times. So does Israel, germany, russia, etc. But, the Bush admininstration cannot question the wholesale Spying Israel and France perform on a daily basis. Wouldnt be good for political relations now would it.
Nuke China..? do you even listen to yourselves as you type? NO wonder the USA is losing its place in world leadership, we are a nation hell bent on destroying anyone that dares to progress and become what it rightfully should.
The only accurate info on this thread is that China will become the next super Power, and probably do a better job than invading nations for oil like the USA has accomplished.

Communist..? you better come out to visit China and stop deluding yourselves as to where the threat is coming from. The paranoid rants only reinforce the impression of ignorance the world sees coming from the US.



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 09:02 AM
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That 10 to 20 Terrabytes of data (military & defense info) hacked or pilferred

is a whole lot of data.......which needs to be screened & analysed to determine

IF the 'secret' data is valuable ....or just fluff/junk/disinformation that
was intended to be hacked into by the likes of China, N Korea, Iran , etc etc

Our own devious intelligence staff might be setting those spy networkers up !



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by iori_komei
Ok, I gotta ask these two questions.

1. Why does'nt the military use it's own secured internet,
not connected to the global net.

2. When are we gonna tell China we're willing to destroy
them if they don't stop.



1) it's probably part of a long-standing plan

2) Roughly at the same time the west will enforce a resource and oil embargo on China (like they did on Japan in 1941), at which point war will ensue over resource areas in Africa, possibly the middle east (if Iran campaign fails) and Indonesia, formerly known as the Dutch East Indies
until 1942, when Japan annexed them for the very same reasons.

of course the elites believe they can win this by influence, setting up a fight, India vs China (if i'm not mistaken) and using developed but supressed tech to plunge the world into another horrible/y profitable war. this is not the first time China gets tech for free, think the Lavi/F10 (fighter aircraft), think 'outsourcing' think terabytes of data 'lost'. this is a deliberate campaign, not a series of mishaps, believing anything else is akin to wearing blinders with flags on them.



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