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Originally posted by Boatphone
What?
Look I posted evidence that goes against the fact that their is some kind of "global warming" crisis going on. It's clean that people like Al Gore are just using this as a means to gain political power.
I'm not doing anything more than pointing this out, if you wan to dispute the fact that in many parts of the world the Earth is growing colder, and that a small part of the ice sheets are melting while others are growing than join in, if not than its clear that you just want to follow the "global doom" crowd and cry about George Bush all day
-- Boat
Originally posted by Boatphone
The fact is, that their is a question as to if humans are really causing any meaningful change in our Earths climate. And people like Al Gore are using it for political gains...
Originally posted by Boatphone
Where was Al Gore and his movie when he was Vice President?
Earth in the Balance: Ecology and the Human Spirit
What's most inspiring about Earth in the Balance is who wrote it. It's a big deal, after all, that a sitting senator was willing to write, "We must make the rescue of the environment the central organizing principle for civilization." And that's not all. In his 1992 book, Al Gore also wrote:
I have become very impatient with my own tendency to put a finger to the political winds and proceed cautiously.... [E]very time I pause to consider whether I have gone too far out on a limb, I look at the new facts [on the environment crisis] that continue to pour in from around the world and conclude that I have not gone far enough.... [T]he time has long since come to take more political risks--and endure more political criticism--by proposing tougher, more effective solutions and fighting hard for their enactments.
And the buzz on the street is that Gore actually wrote those words himself.
When Earth in the Balance first came out, it caused quite a stir--and for good reason. It convincingly makes the case that a crisis of epidemic proportions is nearly upon us and that if the world doesn't get its act together soon and agree to some kind of "Global Marshall Plan" to protect the environment, we're all up a polluted creek without a paddle. Myriad plagues are upon us, but the worst include the loss of biodiversity, the depletion of the ozone layer, the slash-and-burn destruction of rainforests, and the onset of global warming. None of this is new, of course, nor was it new in 1992. But most environmentalists will still get a giddy feeling reading such a call to action as written by a prominent politician.
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Originally posted by loam
So, which is it Boatphone? Were you ignorant of Al Gore's history...or did you intentionally ignore it?
[edit on 2-8-2006 by loam]
Originally posted by drogo
...how long have we had acurate temperature recordings 50 years, even 100 years? well that is just a very small data base to use to cite that we are causeing problems. kinda like takeing a survey of the worst, brokest area in a province/state and saying that the entire state/province is at the same levels. would you consider that good science? i certainly don't.
so untill someone can document the last 2000-3000 years temperatures i might be more prone to accept that they might be right...
Oldest Antarctic Ice Core Reveals Climate History
Secrets of the Earth's past climate locked in a three-kilometre long Antarctic ice core are revealed this week in the journal Nature. The core from Dome C, high on East Antarctica's plateau, contains snowfall from the last 740,000 years and is by far the oldest continuous climate record obtained from ice cores so far.
The ice has been collected in an eight year project by scientists and engineers from 10 European countries. Analysis of ice cores shows how temperature changed in the past, but also how the concentrations of gases and particles in the atmosphere varied.
The first results confirm that over the last 740,000 years the Earth experienced eight ice ages, when Earth's climate was much colder than today, and eight warmer periods (interglacials). In the last 400,000 years the warm periods have had a temperature similar to that of today. Before that time they were less warm, but lasted longer.
By comparing the pattern of this past climate with global environmental conditions today the scientists conclude that, without human influence, we could expect the present warm period to last at least another 15 000 years.
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First Compilation of Tropical Ice Cores Shows Abrupt Global Climate Shift
For the first time, glaciologists have combined and compared sets of ancient climate records trapped in ice cores from the South American Andes and the Asian Himalayas to paint a picture of how climate has changed – and is still changing – in the tropics.
Their conclusions mark a massive climate shift to a cooler regime that occurred just over 5,000 years ago, and a more recent reversal to a much warmer world within the last 50 years.
The evidence also suggests that most of the high-altitude glaciers in the planet’s tropical regions will disappear in the near future. The paper was included in the current issue of the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Science.
Lastly, the research shows that in most of the world, glaciers and ice caps are rapidly retreating, even in areas where precipitation increases are documented. This implicates increasing temperatures and not decreasing precipitation as the most likely culprit.
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“...you can clearly see the 20th Century and the thing that stands out – whether you look at individual cores or the composite of all seven – is how unusually warm the last 50 years have been.
“There hasn’t been anything in the record like it – not even the MWP,” Thompson said.
“The fact that the isotope values in the last 50 years have been so unusual means that things are dramatically changing. That’s the real story here...”
“What this is really telling us is that our climate system is sensitive, it can change abruptly due to either natural or to human forces,” he said. “If what happened 5,000 years ago were to happen today, it would have far-reaching social and economic implications for the entire planet.
“The take-home message is that global climate can change abruptly, and with 6.5 billion people inhabiting the planet, that’s serious.”
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Ask that to the English, who just went through the hottest day on ENGLISH record.
Originally posted by zoopnfunk
antartica is gaining ice because of the hole in the o-zone that is basically directly above it. Since we have taken measures to reduce o-zone generation, that hole is actually reducing in size and will eventually go away... kind of ironic.. that will then cause antartica to heat up.
Originally posted by Boatphone
if not than its clear that you just want to follow the "global doom" crowd and cry about George Bush all day
-- Boat
Originally posted by Sauron
Well I can't say if it's real or not, never looked into the subject besides reading here on ATS, but I do know the weather is messed up.
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Originally posted by imbalanced
An experiment to think about crime reduction was done, alot of people got together and thought about reducing crime, guess what, the crime rate in Washington , DC did reduce.
crashtestwoman
Mostly they concluded that unfortunately mass carbon monoxide was heating up the planet but without it the planet would go into a meltdown and just not cope without the heat caused by the pollution and we would go into an ice age
boatphone
Just becuase an ice sheet on greenland is melting, while, other ice sheets grow is not evidence of "global warming" caused my man
The real cycle here is the fact that many on the left, want you to think that the sky is going to fall
Where was Al Gore and his movie when he was Vice President?
I posted evidence that goes against the fact that their is some kind of "global warming" crisis going on.
in many parts of the world the Earth is growing colder
I also, feel that his movie and articles (like last months Time cover story) are over-hyping the danger, and human casue of "global warming".
Agit8dChop
Ask people in Venice, where the water level... is indeed rising.
enkidu
and make a lot more land (much of northern Asia) suitable for growing crops.