Civil War Soon - Strictly U.S. Related

John Titormight be a really ingenius perceptive guy too. If his specific predictions come true, Ill believe it. But even not, ill give him points for perception. he is capable of recogonizing keylogs, prime actions, ect in the whole continum of world politics. If anyone really watches and looks for undercurrents, which basically are what move the boat, one can see where the boat is going.

There are undercurrents everywhere pointing to major directions where people are heading. I have often studied the undercurerents, which are the most powerful, and never touched in the news, and watched as they went.

I could see from the 1990s the slow move towards whipping up public panic and hysteria about everything from cultists, gangbangers, terrorists, ect. Thus, the gestapo is a soon to become reality is full force. Just make the public afraid, develop enemies everywhere, where no one is trusted.

Add to this the illusion, the frightening house of cards, the US economy rests upon, the shakiness, and the continued path of the economy on the orad to suicide....the apathy of people, the increase in scandals, the slow decline of life in America...and the unsown un tested fertile fields of Eastern Europe, with a highly educated population just waiting for the fertilizer and water.........

Anyway, have a good rest, hopefully, more contributors will hit this thread by tommorow, with more insight, this is a fascinating thread!

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
John Titormight be a really ingenius perceptive guy too. If his specific predictions come true, Ill believe it. But even not, ill give him points for perception. he is capable of recogonizing keylogs, prime actions, ect in the whole continum of world politics. If anyone really watches and looks for undercurrents, which basically are what move the boat, one can see where the boat is going.

There are undercurrents everywhere pointing to major directions where people are heading. I have often studied the undercurerents, which are the most powerful, and never touched in the news, and watched as they went.

I could see from the 1990s the slow move towards whipping up public panic and hysteria about everything from cultists, gangbangers, terrorists, ect. Thus, the gestapo is a soon to become reality is full force. Just make the public afraid, develop enemies everywhere, where no one is trusted.

Add to this the illusion, the frightening house of cards, the US economy rests upon, the shakiness, and the continued path of the economy on the orad to suicide....the apathy of people, the increase in scandals, the slow decline of life in America...and the unsown un tested fertile fields of Eastern Europe, with a highly educated population just waiting for the fertilizer and water.........

Anyway, have a good rest, hopefully, more contributors will hit this thread by tommorow, with more insight, this is a fascinating thread!

undercurrents....wow, impressively put
i dont suppose you'd leak some of your predictions?
im fairly interested in this rising enigma.
i fully understand your point of view on titor, whats more i actually support your theory..
an IBM 5100 is mentioned in his predictions, it is said that this machine would help fix some problems with unix in 2038? i did some research on this machine..suprise surprise a few hostorical factors on the machine with it's original pricetag
my main question is as follows...could it be that an individual planning on selling out his out of date IBM hardware could have possibly depicted/formulated this MYTH, carefully adding in truth he himself had gathered throughout the years' about time travelling.
having the audacity to claim these trivial facts...i would have though titor would have wanted to say more, for i cannot imagine a person, having just come from the future, would not want to share all his experiences.
i face a conundrum, a duel of thoughts, i simply cannot accordingly judge this man seeing as he has put his argument together so well, what can i say...i semi-believe it, i want to believe.yet as my conscience tells me of it's dupery.... i cannot help but envision the overwhelming prevailence of the matter at hand(no really...i cant!!
i think i need to debate this some more with every1, untill a proper conclusion is reached.
as for jotting down predictions, so as to look back upon them with pride....does this seem all too absurd?


[Edited on 30-10-2003 by Cyrus]

My predictions? Mind you, Im no prohet or psychic. I am simply stating what I think is the most likely scenario, given the current tides of events.

1. Economic chaos in the US. This is a no brainer. We continue to lsoe jobs, the stock market is shaky, our national debt is monstrous. Inflation slowly creeping up. This dead spell in our economy has lasted almost 4 years with no signs of improvement.
2. OPEC will go with the Euro. This will further throw us into a spiral. The US can rattle the saber and threaten whoever it likes, but the sentiment against it is so powerful, it cannot defeat all its enemies.
3. The Iraq war will escelate, continue to grow in power, more people will die. I say, about 8 years we will be in Iraq. During that time, the whole middle east will slowly build up its resources and pool the together for stronger, larger scale resistance. Perhaps....even an actual war.
4.With the collapse of a wealthy US state, the US will no longer be able to fund Israel. Israel, without a sugar daddy, will have toi find another. Russia and China would be thier prime goals, but the question is, would they do it? Unlikely. Thus, without US backing and protection, Israel becomes vulnerable. The UN will now have no barrier to enforcing its resolutions. Israel gets occupied by the UN.
5. Civil war in the US. At the very least, anarchy and chaos. Outside the US Europe sees an opportunity, and tries to get involved. They suffer servely, and the EU stands oin shaky ground economically.
6. The Slavic bloc will be formed. After years of struglling and being taken for granted, eastern Europe finally gets the engine started. A New Union of former soviet bloc countries is formed. The create a frightening economic and military powerhouse. A new contender with china for the world champ belt.
7. Us tore up like third world nation. Poverty, crime everywhere. Police state tactics where they can use them. But citizens themselves attack back. a never ending war.
8. Tensions between Russia and western Europe build up. NATO is long gone, EU has new army now. But Eastern bloc growing larger and larger. They are no longer communist, they are socialist with free enterprise. New tensions and hostilites flare up, eventuall another European war is started. China to possible get involved, maybe on the side of EU, because of old hostilites with Russia.
9.African population now almost devastated by disease and wars. Africa continues to be ignored, until resources begin to run out.
10. The rise of an Asian super bloc to balance the Eastern and EU blocs. Thus, three major superpowers emerge.

Theres alot more I would throw in, but they are small. Needless to say, as you can see, America will NOT be a super power. We will not have much involvement or impact on the world. My tiem frame is about 30 years.

I see Europe as collapsing as well, and not being a super power itself. but overshadowed and basically a satelite of the mighty eastern Bloc. Little interest in America really will be held by the world, we will be a footnote in history. The rise of the super blocs will lead to world war, a massive devastating war. OPEC will aslo rise, the islamic nations will form thier own bloc and wage thier final jihad. Israel will get destroyed. and thus you have it: world war 3.

Whgat will happen after that is anyones guess really. Hopefully, it will change how people think!

Maybe the USA will no longer be the most powerful nation in a few decades, who cares if we are? The economy is not that bad you just got to have many skills to get a job. Here is my prediction, if the US has another civil war and breaks up then the apocalypse is about to happen.

a zionist is a person(raised eyebrows on that one) belonging to the worldwide group claiming descent from Jacob and connected by cultural or religious ties...
i suppose there really wouldn't be

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
My predictions? Mind you, Im no prohet or psychic. I am simply stating what I think is the most likely scenario, given the current tides of events.

1. Economic chaos in the US. This is a no brainer. We continue to lsoe jobs, the stock market is shaky, our national debt is monstrous. Inflation slowly creeping up. This dead spell in our economy has lasted almost 4 years with no signs of improvement.
2. OPEC will go with the Euro. This will further throw us into a spiral. The US can rattle the saber and threaten whoever it likes, but the sentiment against it is so powerful, it cannot defeat all its enemies.
3. The Iraq war will escelate, continue to grow in power, more people will die. I say, about 8 years we will be in Iraq. During that time, the whole middle east will slowly build up its resources and pool the together for stronger, larger scale resistance. Perhaps....even an actual war.
4.With the collapse of a wealthy US state, the US will no longer be able to fund Israel. Israel, without a sugar daddy, will have toi find another. Russia and China would be thier prime goals, but the question is, would they do it? Unlikely. Thus, without US backing and protection, Israel becomes vulnerable. The UN will now have no barrier to enforcing its resolutions. Israel gets occupied by the UN.
5. Civil war in the US. At the very least, anarchy and chaos. Outside the US Europe sees an opportunity, and tries to get involved. They suffer servely, and the EU stands oin shaky ground economically.
6. The Slavic bloc will be formed. After years of struglling and being taken for granted, eastern Europe finally gets the engine started. A New Union of former soviet bloc countries is formed. The create a frightening economic and military powerhouse. A new contender with china for the world champ belt.
7. Us tore up like third world nation. Poverty, crime everywhere. Police state tactics where they can use them. But citizens themselves attack back. a never ending war.
8. Tensions between Russia and western Europe build up. NATO is long gone, EU has new army now. But Eastern bloc growing larger and larger. They are no longer communist, they are socialist with free enterprise. New tensions and hostilites flare up, eventuall another European war is started. China to possible get involved, maybe on the side of EU, because of old hostilites with Russia.
9.African population now almost devastated by disease and wars. Africa continues to be ignored, until resources begin to run out.
10. The rise of an Asian super bloc to balance the Eastern and EU blocs. Thus, three major superpowers emerge.

Theres alot more I would throw in, but they are small. Needless to say, as you can see, America will NOT be a super power. We will not have much involvement or impact on the world. My tiem frame is about 30 years.

I see Europe as collapsing as well, and not being a super power itself. but overshadowed and basically a satelite of the mighty eastern Bloc. Little interest in America really will be held by the world, we will be a footnote in history. The rise of the super blocs will lead to world war, a massive devastating war. OPEC will aslo rise, the islamic nations will form thier own bloc and wage thier final jihad. Israel will get destroyed. and thus you have it: world war 3.

Whgat will happen after that is anyones guess really. Hopefully, it will change how people think!

i seem to be at a loss for words....
all the more reason to argue point 8 then!!

8. Tensions between Russia and western Europe build up. NATO is long gone, EU has new army now. But Eastern bloc growing larger and larger. They are no longer communist, they are socialist with free enterprise. New tensions and hostilites flare up, eventuall another European war is started. China to possible get involved, maybe on the side of EU, because of old hostilites with Russia.
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what kind of tension? economic pressure of some sort i would presume? would sanctions exist then?
socialists with "free" enterprise?? do u mean an economy relying chiefly on market forces to allocate goods and resources so as to determine prices....

business-studies to my aid

what happened to NATO? * jumps up and down in a perplexed manner*
and adds * with a startled expression*, NATO was built to last no? the fact alone that it was built (in 1949 by the north atlantic treaty for purposes of collective security) to last....and has proven it's point by going all the way till the 21st century in total indicates some serious doubt on it's buckling under some pressure anytime soon, i am pushed to think that it should have an enormous budget dedicated to "a case of emergency" as referred to above.(emergency? chaos more like)
"the fact that it's been standing for so long" alone makes others(other countries per example russia) think twice before attempting to uproot such robust foundations!!

as for the eastern coalition(bloc), that's the bit i seriously agree on....that is a definite "Must", there is no way things will remain in their current state of derailment

"China to possible get involved, maybe on the side of EU, because of old hostilites with Russia", this i cant help but doubt..:puzz:
russian seems to have somehow become common in china...or so i've heard, i've never been there..but i trust the source *looks nervously around*

i have some sources, namely


www.e-thepeople.org...

this site has some indication that russia and china and the "rogue states" are somewhat in the same barrel.



english.pravda.ru...


as for this one, from pravda.ru, well....seems to be a fairly sincere agreement


admittedly....not as much proof as i'd been expecting regarding the "russo-chinko" bonding formations..
despite your theory that old hostilities would really play a part in china's decisions(im assuming you're referring to manchuria?)

well...at any rate these questions appear to form my "frontier", hopefully in due course i shall re-read and will definitely auspicate any "arriere pensee" i may have reagarding the post
cordially
Cyrus.

Originally posted by Cyrus

Dare i say...would the russians try and regain their power by striking america double fold when at a time of crisis and need?

[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Cyrus]

Hmm...

Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel. Russia striking with no provacation, just to regain power? Errghh, some of those russians are crooked, but I don't think they would do that.

Originally posted by mig12

Originally posted by Cyrus

Dare i say...would the russians try and regain their power by striking america double fold when at a time of crisis and need?

[Edited on 29-10-2003 by Cyrus]

Hmm...

Sounds like something out of a Tom Clancy novel. Russia striking with no provacation, just to regain power? Errghh, some of those russians are crooked, but I don't think they would do that.

"those russians" could possibly attempt at totally killing off the u.s , rendering it powerless to take over the world ever again...a nuclear strike would do that and no more.
as for the civil war? admittedly every1 seems to be armed in one way or another in the states....invading would be insane

Russie wont attack America. Not anymore. Well there is a slim possibility and that is that a new president comes and he desides to attack everything in the name of terrorism and decides that US is a terroriststate and then nuke them...but common do anyone really belive they would nuke US??? Then what..they dont all the military they need to pull something big like that off. It will take many years before the Russians have a decent military like thay used to have and you will see that come...

Originally posted by scubaman
Russie wont attack America. Not anymore. Well there is a slim possibility and that is that a new president comes and he desides to attack everything in the name of terrorism and decides that US is a terroriststate and then nuke them...but common do anyone really belive they would nuke US??? Then what..they dont all the military they need to pull something big like that off. It will take many years before the Russians have a decent military like thay used to have and you will see that come...

so i take it you agree?
it seems to me that the main events of this predicament evolve around a statuary argument.
the U.S.S.R will rise to power no? = they take over the world, the end.
i wish this thread would move/be copied to RATS

it seems to me that the sooner the U.S displays a new public image the better.
currently you will find american tourists tend to disguise themselves as canadian for that very reason
public image? public morale? lead by the public figure...bush
in other words...get rid of bush and there's most of your future problems rescheduled for a later date

IN MY OPINION i think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves here. I dont want to be condescending but I think people are seeing 2+2 and making 222,222,222.

John Titors theories are deeply interesting but if you read it carefully you will see that he is from a different timeline than ours, thats not to say its massively different, but with his presence in this time line and our disscusssion of these events I think this changes a few things. That is if he is genuine.

As for a Russian or chinese invasion of the Us, well you could say, what would that achieve if US was tearing itself apart. Russians arrent murderous killers bent on world domination, plus any technology you have you can bet the russians know about and have better. Look at the soykuz jet.
With regards to Human Cost for the Russians, well lets face it they won WWII, it may come as shock to some americans; but 32 million dead and an amazing tank say alot. the way they turned their economy around whilst being invaded was amazing. I know I contradict myself slightly but i am trying to find a a balance.
I dont want to seem anti US but to hear you all feeling frightened about your government, its your media i would fear more, making you feel like the walls are coming in, sensationlising everything, anyone that has seen mike moores 'bowling for colombine' will know what i mean. Please take a step back, you should be proud you are american, as i am being british but you have got to get some persepctive.
Rant over.
Dont hate me, but I hate to see people being misguided.

From the State of New Hampshire s
constitution
This says it all and they wrote it down in 1784

[Right of Revolution.]
Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.


A freakin men

Originally posted by bigdanprice
IN MY OPINION i think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves here. I dont want to be condescending but I think people are seeing 2+2 and making 222,222,222.

John Titors theories are deeply interesting but if you read it carefully you will see that he is from a different timeline than ours, thats not to say its massively different, but with his presence in this time line and our disscusssion of these events I think this changes a few things. That is if he is genuine.

As for a Russian or chinese invasion of the Us, well you could say, what would that achieve if US was tearing itself apart. Russians arrent murderous killers bent on world domination, plus any technology you have you can bet the russians know about and have better. Look at the soykuz jet.
With regards to Human Cost for the Russians, well lets face it they won WWII, it may come as shock to some americans; but 32 million dead and an amazing tank say alot. the way they turned their economy around whilst being invaded was amazing. I know I contradict myself slightly but i am trying to find a a balance.
I dont want to seem anti US but to hear you all feeling frightened about your government, its your media i would fear more, making you feel like the walls are coming in, sensationlising everything, anyone that has seen mike moores 'bowling for colombine' will know what i mean. Please take a step back, you should be proud you are american, as i am being british but you have got to get some persepctive.
Rant over.
Dont hate me, but I hate to see people being misguided.

a balance of biased oppinions....
errrm...im not really american*, ukrainan/russian more like.
if u care to look under my conventional display pic(made by urs sincerely you should notice the ukraine? for location.

back to the point
finding a balance between titor's delegated oppinion before he left and our material world as we see it is promiscous.
it takes little effort to realize that titor's interpretations regarding a civil war in the U.S would occur in 2005, seeing as the police/gvrnmnt forces are leaning to the more gestappo side of things as quoted by another inteligent member in the forum.
a "balance" in essence is a bet, an extreme result will come up, i take heads, you take tails(in this case we have a double faced coin of unknown values

Originally posted by straterx
From the State of New Hampshire s
constitution
This says it all and they wrote it down in 1784

[Right of Revolution.]
Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.


A freakin men

if crossreferenced with the U.S in the 21st century it states as:
unless the U.S change their ways, a rebellion will most likely occur, thus causing destruction? (no $hit)
a new gvrnmnt is likely to be established(does this mock democracy by any chance?)
and since this process is mainly self-sacrificial (no wonder titor's predictions are heading the right way)
it seems to me a sincere threat is posed by an anger-motivated population.
10/10 for weeding this out
well done



[Edited on 31-10-2003 by Cyrus]

I wasnt addressing my comments to you specifically, and I take umbridge to your implication that i am not an intelligent poster. But i didnt expect you to massage my ego. however I am not taking a biased view; for the reason that NO conclusion can be drawn from any of this material until the year 2004/5. I am sorry if I insulted you, but i have come to recognise that people with extreme views are unwilling to accept any version of events other than their own in stead of taking a careful measured approach to the evidence. However i can appreciate your stand point as there is NO evidence relating to this, it is all speculation.
As to my comments on your avatar, they were unrelated.
Come on this is a debate not a slanging match lets stick to the topic and route out some decent disscusiion from it all.

Originally posted by bigdanprice

Come on this is a debate not a slanging match lets stick to the topic and route out some decent disscusiion from it all.

agreed, it's pointless to address each other in any coloquieal(have i mispelt this? *gasp*) means for that matter

concentrating on the topic is all what matters, im sorry to have appeared somewhat rude....
having enountered some fierce arguments in these past few days i've taken up the habit of jumping to conclusions *nervously looks around*

Never underestimate the powers of prediction, it seems to me that this thread needs a little maneuvering...again
The U.S seems to have contemplated on every form of extension available for their economy, from what i feel their economy has slightly diminished the 2nd gulf war.....
why would power-exploiters like bush decide to cripple the U.S'es economy in such a drastic way? "oil" seems a reasonable answer....and then one comes to realize the risk involved in this process
could it be a flaw on bush'es side of the game? is he really listening to any1?
is he acting of his own wishful accord
what if he is....."give the ape a gun"
, it seems the all too luminous fuse of death just turned all too bright...and then burnt out.
"it's kinda sad when u dont know the meaning...but everything happens for a reason" it seems bush as an initiative has contradicted this extract




[Edited on 31-10-2003 by Cyrus]

[Edited on 31-10-2003 by Cyrus]

Originally posted by bigdanprice
IN MY OPINION i think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves here. I dont want to be condescending but I think people are seeing 2+2 and making 222,222,222.

John Titors theories are deeply interesting but if you read it carefully you will see that he is from a different timeline than ours, thats not to say its massively different, but with his presence in this time line and our disscusssion of these events I think this changes a few things. That is if he is genuine.

As for a Russian or chinese invasion of the Us, well you could say, what would that achieve if US was tearing itself apart. Russians arrent murderous killers bent on world domination, plus any technology you have you can bet the russians know about and have better. Look at the soykuz jet.
With regards to Human Cost for the Russians, well lets face it they won WWII, it may come as shock to some americans; but 32 million dead and an amazing tank say alot. the way they turned their economy around whilst being invaded was amazing. I know I contradict myself slightly but i am trying to find a a balance.
I dont want to seem anti US but to hear you all feeling frightened about your government, its your media i would fear more, making you feel like the walls are coming in, sensationlising everything, anyone that has seen mike moores 'bowling for colombine' will know what i mean. Please take a step back, you should be proud you are american, as i am being british but you have got to get some persepctive.
Rant over.
Dont hate me, but I hate to see people being misguided.

nice figures....222,222,222 original

j/k
my what-ifs are based upon conclusions reached with a sincere difficulty, due to other interferences (per exemple the news?)
our closest ally is yet to be our biggest mandatory foe'.
disgusting
he who works for the system carries upon his shoulder a burden, he can be potentially taunted/harmed/killed....and i dont suppose the media would take the blame?

however....this force can be used for us, how was clinton seen to have stepped off his post?? how far did the critics go?
the lewinski matter took him down when all else failed...
and i ask of you, is bush the "elected president" of the country? a muppet...no doubt
my point lies as this: no sooner is the U.S to wage another war on somebody, it's total attention will be sacrificed to overseeing this matter, a time to strike will take place, internally...
civil war seems such an obvious route to go down i cant help but post my insights on this matter, moreso killing this thread would simply end my research(yes....im doing some, and besides, im sticking with my original theory: what if titor's right...see how far the critics will go then
cordially
Cyrus.


[Edited on 31-10-2003 by Cyrus]

is it possible that an arrangement of troops from the gulf would be sent back to the U.S? i mean...have they used up their resources that much?
considering a disastrous riot takes place...the police force can only do so much
thats some good hash im smoking, i know


[Edited on 31-10-2003 by Cyrus]