Lawmakers want instructor fired from University for his 9/11 views

also, for alot of you propaganda men out there who are trying to twist the meaning of nazi that I use (as if I dont know what nazi means or using the word wrong). I thought its meaning was obvious given the context. But I guess Im sadly mistaken. So Ill make it explicit here for you. Nazi=one who spews propaganda.


[edit on 22-7-2006 by bob2000]

Barrett has said Nass was "only interested in name-calling and witch hunting."

Good Grief....the hypocracy is so thick you could cut it with a knife.

Originally posted by bob2000
also, for alot of you propaganda men out there who are trying to twist the meaning of nazi that I use (as if I dont know what nazi means or using the word wrong). I thought its meaning was obvious given the context. But I guess Im sadly mistaken. So Ill make it explicit here for you. Nazi=one who spews propaganda.

You gotta remember semantics is the number one CT manifesto.They got noth'en! Continue to whine about it is their only hope.Outside of ,Prof.strange and stranger! I can't wait for this to blow up in their faces when they come clean,about this all being a money scam,"PULLED" on PT Barnum's favorite folks!

Bob, I think you'll find on closer inspection of the historical facts that there is rather more to the meaning of the word Nazi than "one who spews propaganda". But even by that limited interpretation of the word the US government and its supporters have far more in common with Nazism than they would care to admit. The whole "official interpretation" of 9/11 is the sheerest propaganda entirely by Goebbels' own definition. After all, it was he who said (I'm quoting from memory so this might not be exactly right, but it's certainly close enough)

"The problem is always the same. How do you persuade an ordinary man to abandon his farm and his family, and fight and kill for his country? The solution is simple and is the same whether he lives in a democracy, under communism, or in a fascist society, and it is this: you tell him, loud and long, that his country is in danger, and you denounce any that say different as traitors."

That is exactly what has been going on in the US ever since 9/11, and the results are obvious - two (so far) wars entered upon with little or no real justification, the successful instigation of a climate of fear, the erosion of human rights within and without the country, and everyone falling in lock step behind their Dear Leader.

And now we have a country whose citizens pride themselves on having more freedoms than any other (an illusion, like so many of the myths they choose to believe of themselves, but let it pass) denying freedom of speech within their academic world. Goebbels would have been impressed.

This is for Bob and the rest of the hate mongers.......

From Dict.org
Nazi
adj 1: relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology
and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; "the total Nazi
crime"; "the Nazi interpretation of history"
2: relating to a form of socialism; "the national socialist
party came to power in 1933" [syn: national socialist]
n : a German member of Adolf Hitler's political party
[syn: German Nazi]

Propaganda
n : information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some
cause

Now unless you are using some dictionary that just doesn't agree in anyway shape or form with modern dictionaries....YOU are a propagandist by ur own words...So.....check ur words before you go spewing hate.....it doesn't add to the conversation....all it does it detract and bring ats down....so unless that's ur goal...please moderate your speech patterns.....

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This professor is only doing what his first amendment rights allow him to do....Now if you don't want to take his class than don't sign up for it.....don't read the books and don't go to the class... its your money and its that simple. The mainstream media is being used and it is stories like this that make that evident. They are being used to bring our focus away from the national agenda....also in correspondence with the release of WTC the Movie it is only logical that the Government will use the media subtly to try and reinforce the images and the validity of their story into the impressionable minds of our fellow citizens..... by attacking people now who are coming out against the official story they are ensuring that more people are receptive to their version of things in "WTC a true story"... There is something wrong.....something deeply wrong....the same kind of Mccarthian hate that was spewed at the Japanese during WW2 is being spewed now....and anyone....Even a PROFESSOR is a target of these folks....who for whatever reason have given up their common sense in exchange for nothing but fear and malice. Something is wrong!





[edit on 23-7-2006 by Elsenorpompom]

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[edit on 7/23/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by bob2000
So Ill make it explicit here for you. Nazi=one who spews propaganda.

That sure would make a whole lot of things nazi here in the US. It kind of makes me wonder what the point would be in calling the guy a nazi in the first place.

You're taking it a little out of proportion, too. The guy teaches it as an example for critical thinking. If you don't think 9/11 was an event that deserves critical thinking, then I'm not sure why you're posting here in the first place.

If he was preaching the stuff as if it were supreme law, yeah, I wouldn't agree with that either. But when he's just presenting things and probing his students with it, what do you have to worry about unless the information itself makes a strong case?

The Nazi's were the ones who took measures to SILENCE any kind of disenting opinions.

Originally posted by Duhh
You gotta remember semantics is the number one CT manifesto.They got noth'en! Continue to whine about it is their only hope.Outside of ,Prof.strange and stranger! I can't wait for this to blow up in their faces when they come clean,about this all being a money scam,"PULLED" on PT Barnum's favorite folks!

Almost as bad as the media nuts who believe everything the media tells them and just repeat it instead of doing any research on thier own.

It might blow up in thier face if it is proven that something else happend other then what the media told them ???

Since when is trying to find the truth a conspiracy ???

1. nazi also means "one who spews propaganda". why? becuase the nazis were the most imfamous in the world for using it.

2. the proffesor is a NAZI. yes, he should wear a swastika while he teaches for the few days he has left, and should change his name to joseph goebbles. Hes a propaganda spitting, lie vomiting nazi.

Definitions of nazi on the Web:

An abbreviation of the term for the National Socialist political party , a political party headed by Adolf Hitler from 1921 to 1945. The Nazi party ideology was strongly anticommunist, anti-Semitic, racist, nationalistic, imperialistic and militaristic.
www.pbs.org/daringtoresist/tgglossary.html

The abbreviation for the National Socialist German Worker's Party, the political party led by Adolf Hitler in Germany from 1933-1945.
www.remember.org/eichmann/study5.htm

Contraction of National Socialism. The term used to describe Hitler's sympathizers.
library.thinkquest.org/13915/gather/glossary.htm

Nationalist Socialist Workers Party
www.promotega.org/fld00005/wordstoknow.html

The name 'Nazi' was a shortened nickname for the german word meaning the "national socialist party" headed by Hitler, who sought to overthrow the Weimar Republic in Germany. They espoused strong themes of 'law and order' and a return to German Ideals, Pride and Nationalism.
www.shoaheducation.com/definitions.html

relating to or consistent with or typical of the ideology and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; "the total Nazi crime"; "the Nazi interpretation of history"
a German member of Adolf Hitler's political party
an offensive term for a person who is fanatically dedicated to, or seeks to control, some activity, practice, etc.
national socialist: relating to a form of socialism; "the national socialist party came to power in Germany in 1933"
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Nazism, or more correctly National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus, often abbreviated NS) is a political ideology promoting Germanic racial aspirations and a strong and centrally governed state. The term is most often used in connection with the dictatorship of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945 (the "Third Reich"). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi
Source.

First one to spot the definition: "one who uses propaganda" gets to be a smug git.

Also, I think it would be much better for all the others on this forum bob, if you didn't insult me via U2U, and did it here in the thread. That way, everyone gets to have a good laugh.

HAHA

your going out of your way to show me that naze =/= propagand spewer.

You can show me all of the dictionary definitions you want. They mean nothing. not all word's meanings are in the dictionary. look up the word "cool" in the dictionary, it will probably say cool=chilled, cold temperatur. It wont tell you its alternative definition: cool=trendy, glamourous, exiting. dictionaries dont include all of words definitions ie. slang definitions

To dumb things down for you. Nazi=propagandist in slang. there,does that help you out?

are you overlooking the point of this post? the proffesor is a nazi. he should carve a swastika on his forehead.

[edit on 23-7-2006 by bob2000]

I'm not naive nor impressionable enough to buy into these 9/11 conspiracy's.

But, that being said, I don't have a clue why this professor is considered a "nazi" for what he did. That doesn't make any sense.

I also think that it will definitely be overkill to fire this man for his views. I can completely understand the school warning him and insisting he keeps his 9/11 views out of the classroom. But to outright fire him? A little ridiculous.

University's are supposed to deal with facts. A science professor shouldn't be allowed to teach Creationism as opposed to evolution. They're supposed to use real 'facts'. And for precisely the same reason, I agree that 9/11 conspiracy theories should stay out of the schools.

Originally posted by bob2000
HAHA

your going out of your way to show me that naze =/= propagand spewer.

To dumb things down for you. Nazi=propagandist in slang. there,does that help you out?

Cool - 6 informal fashionably attractive or impressive. Seems to contradict your suggestion, slang is included.


The actual and generally accepted definition of the term "Nazi" has been clearly demonstrated here.

Also, there have been no purported claims made by the Prof, nor reports tying him to Any Nazi organization. With that in mind it would seem safe to conclude that he is neither affiliated with or a supporter of that which you claim, bob2000.

If you choose to continue participating and wish to post a constructive argument, Not based on name calling, please do so. Otherwise I would ask that you simply remove yourself from this discussion and find somewhere better suited for your personal definitions.


... and now back to the Actual topic of discussion.

"University pressured over Prof's 9-11 Theory"



On a side note, and for reference:
en.wikipedia.org...'s_law

[edit on 7/23/2006 by 12m8keall2c]

Here here! The reason he should be fired,has nothing to do with dissention.He flat out lies.He uses out of context ,and simili to present most ,if not all of his theories.That is not scholar behavior! Not in the real world.It will get him in the end.Give it time !The more he talks the more absurd it gets!No worries.

Originally posted by bob2000
You can show me all of the dictionary definitions you want. They mean nothing. not all word's meanings are in the dictionary. look up the word "cool" in the dictionary, it will probably say cool=chilled, cold temperatur. It wont tell you its alternative definition: cool=trendy, glamourous, exiting. dictionaries dont include all of words definitions ie. slang definitions

To dumb things down for you. Nazi=propagandist in slang. there,does that help you out?

are you overlooking the point of this post? the proffesor is a nazi. he should carve a swastika on his forehead.
[edit on 23-7-2006 by bob2000]

I don't think we need things "dumbing down" for us, Bob. In fact, I think that "dumbing down" is part of the problem. Dictionaries have a purpose, which is to reflect the current definition of a word - how people use it in society. Words change their meaning all the time. But there is a down-side to this, in that if people alter the meanings of words and use them however they want, the words lose their meaning. They become like blunted tools. That's why people who want to express themselves precisely often use dictionaries to ensure that not only do they themselves know what they're talking about, they also have a good chance of getting their point across to other people with some precision.

You're trying to insist that your personal meaning of the word "Nazi" - "one who spews propaganda" - is one we should all take up. Well, you seem to be alone in this opinion, and frankly, I think that's a good thing because it's important to remember what kind of people the Nazis were and the kind of things they did.

This lecturer is certainly NOT a nazi, Bob. He's about as far from being a nazi as it's possible to be, and he's a lot further away from it than the people who are trying to end his career.

Originally posted by Duhh
Here here! The reason he should be fired,has nothing to do with dissention.He flat out lies.He uses out of context ,and simili to present most ,if not all of his theories.That is not scholar behavior! Not in the real world.It will get him in the end.Give it time !The more he talks the more absurd it gets!No worries.

Can you point to one of these lies?

The reason the "alternative theories" about 9/11 have gained such ground is that the government account is chock full of holes. The conclusion that this guy has come to, in view of the facts that your beloved government wants to suppress, is far from unreasonable and certainly not mendacious.

As for your desire for this guy's career to come to an end, you obviously don't believe in freedom of speech.

Suppressing The Topic

Let's please refrain from personal commentary and derailing the topic.

The topic is not Nazis nor what members think of other members.

I invite those who may have lost sight of what the topic is to review the first post in this thread and comment accordingly.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

Originally posted by Majic
Suppressing The Topic

The topic is not Nazis nor what members think of other members.

I invite those who may have lost sight of what the topic is to review the first post in this thread and comment accordingly.

The topic is compatible with Nazi's.

Our corparate sponsored lawmakers are indeed Nazi's, who seek to repress the truth in the hope that the american people will not care very much about thier payoffs and acceptance of corporate bribes.

[edit on 25-7-2006 by In nothing we trust]

Godwin-Free Zone Declaration

Originally posted by In nothing we trust
The topic is compatible with Nazi's.

No, it is not.

Do not ignore my requests to stay on topic.

We dont need nazis sneaking propaganda into college kid's courses.

Well if they think what he is teaching is anything but the TRUTH.

Maybe NIST should debate Steven Jones and PROVE IT.