Originally posted by 18XRay
...Every time someone says lets pull out of Iraq it is a slap in the face of every member of the military who by the way didn't volunteer to go to
Iraq,yet goes because that's what they are called upon to do.
Now don't try to speak for everyone. I have four very close friends that have fought in Iraq. All 4 are with the 3rd Inf. Division based in Ft.
Stewart Georgia. Three are in the infantry, one is a cook. Three of them have done two tours in Iraq, and the other had one tour in Afghanistan, and
multiple tours in Iraq.
None of them support George Bush, or his war. From what they tell me, open political discussion in the Army is taboo, but their opinions seem to be
the general consensus among the soldiers there, including officers.
According to them, the majority of people in the army that are still supporting Bush, and his war, are the pogues/REMF's, which are slang terms for
soldiers that A) Don't serve in a combat capacity, and B) Have not been shipped overseas to Iraq, or Afghanistan.
It's easy to be all for Bush's foreign policies when you serve state side. It's easy to be all gung-ho for the "war on terror" when you're an
Army pencil-pusher. But my friends have been there, they've seen things, and are privy to information that not too many people are. Their word is
good enough for me.
And they've told me they've never forgotten how when the search for WMD's was called off, it suddenly and conveniently became a fight for the
Iraqi's freedom. A so-called fight to spread democracy, while democracy here at home dwindled through the "patriot" act, and the NSA's spy
Originally posted by 18XRayWE CANT WIN BECAUSE OF THE CHAINS THAT YOU ALL PUT ON OUR TROOPS
What are these "chains" you speak of? "Chains" like due process, and the rule of law? Or laws governing things like common decency?
Originally posted by 18XRayWhy does it matter if any of you support the war that you will never have to fight in????? I just volunteered
to joined the Army with a Special Forces contract and cant wait to do my part in preserving our freedoms.
The war on terror has nothing to do with preserving our freedoms, and I honestly hope you don't believe it does. The supposed "war on terror" has
been used as an excuse to erode our freedoms and the constitution on an unprecedented level. Supposedly this country was attacked by terrorists on
9/11/01, and by the Bush administration's rationale, 250 million Americans became suspected terrorists.
No matter how bad "the terrorists" wanted to, they could never threaten our freedoms. They can threaten our citizens, and our buildings, but they
can never threaten our freedom. I guarantee you the biggest threat to freedom in this country is George Bush and the Republican controlled houses.
If you really want to do your part to preserve freedom, vote the Republicans out of office.
Originally posted by 18XRay"A man that is not willing to die for something is not fit to live"
True, but I don't think you really want to die to further the neo-con/military/industrial complex's agendas? Do you?
Originally posted by 18XRay...all I said is I don't understand why civilians cant just leave the military alone and let them get the
Because civilians make up the military, and the military serves the interest of the civilian population. In a country where 29% of the population
still support a bad president and an illegal war, then that 29% is not representative of America. And the cilvilian population that is not against the
military, they are against the government.
Originally posted by 18XRayThe US government sees that that's why no matter what you guys say we are going to stay the
Yeah, you know Bush, if he says something on Monday, he still believes it on Wednesday....regardless of what happened on Tuesday
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