Originally posted by GreatTech
queenannie38, thank you for your reply. Do you mean that Jesus Christ is God or "only" the Son of God? Sometimes I think I sin when I only believe
Neither one, when looking at the options from a human oriented linear view.
Regarding the latter, do you mean as in
when we forget, sometimes
that he was,
in every way, shape, and form,
fully human, mortal, and frail--just like us?
If so, then I am certain this must be more of an issue for the human race than what seems to be the driving force of most christian platoons--which is
pinning someone down about whether or not they think Christ is God. That's never been an issue, from what I
read in the bible. There seems
to be a near hysteria about proving the point that Jesus Christ was God before he died and ascended--and some will even go so far as to say the bible
says such. Which it does not
Something inside me tells me the first person to rebuke such a no-no would be Christ, Himself. I'm also certain that is the nature of 'Lucifer's'
condemnation in Isaiah--and we are not told the truth about that passage--that sin is man's not any other being's. It is human pride which is the
most evil thing there is--leading to greed and selfishness which lead to a list of things I can't even do justice to.
Unity and identity are two different concepts and identity is nothing while unity is everything.
And on the other hand, there is certainly a problem with religion on the other side of things, for they seem to worship Christ as Jesus the man which
is just as wrong as saying Christ IS God instead of
Christ is one with God the Father.
He is his right hand, his first born, his apointed heir, his certified authority over us, and on and on, but as in Him being God, yes He is our God.
But He is not God the Father.
He is the bridge, as you said. But he is neither this side nor that side although he compasses everything both sides are about....but without a span
between, what would it matter for this side that there was an other side? We'd truly be totally ignorant of its existence.
All in all, the whole thing is really a mess and it is rarely understood that we must not be proud or elevate ourselves but yet we must not resist
when He reaches down to pull us up. One at a time.
According to His schedule and decision, not ours.
And to say that
we are not to believe promises about future sonship is to deny God's power and pretend to know His mind. It is to let pride mislead us to the point
that we work against that which is making things right again, which our pride sent askew in the first place. Remember what He said in Matthew 23:13.
Things don't change nor is anything new for our present generation.
We would all still have stone and wood effigies on our hearths that we prayed to if not for Christ. Any unseen invisible force of divinity that man
believes in as a source of life and love can only be the Living God. Who is invisible. How can we see what is invisible and we don't know we are
not seeing unless we are shown???? We cannot.
But even now, after Christ, this is something unseen and trusted in as such. Not tangible or provable to the masses. Yet many things are around
that we can see and know to be true and actual circumstances.
It has been a long time and history fades---but I truly think that life was impacted by that light.
I can cite a couple of examples:
Think about how tyrannnical most kings were in the iron age and before--even at the time Jesus lived. Those Herods are good examples, especially.
They would kill their own son (whom supposedly they sired for the purpose of regnal succession) out of sheer paranoid jealousy because they loved
their power more than their own children! And Herod even killed his most beloved wife! Whom he then grieved over!!!
How messed up is that?
Another one is the fact of human sacrifice (a weapon used often in argument against believing in the OT for many yet is not researched by most) in
human history. Supposedly it was very bad for God to ask Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. But my question is this: how come Abraham was so ready to
I know Abraham had faith, because I know 'he was God's friend.' He was the first to know, out of present humanity, that God was not
made of wood. But yet he didn't seem to think anything wierd about being asked to give up his son. I think that says a lot more than we
realize--obviously it wasn't an outlandish request from a God to a man. And Abraham certainly might have been justified in following the ways he
knew to be the accepted workings of the world yet he knew his God was real, so it was not such a gamble. Everyone else died because of a request made
by wooden gods given voice by human imagination.
I fear I am not making my point clearly. Human sacrifice was not so atrocious to the people of those days--they all did it! Every religion, every
part of the world. Looking simply at excavated ruins of temples with a willing mind will show a common thing to all those places: a big flat slab or
table. What was it for? Well, it wasn't for the choir, I can tell you that. And the people ate
their livestock. They appeased their
with one another. The miracle of Mt Moriah is the fact that God said 'Hey, I'm not like them...I won't do that.' But Abraham was
willing to trust and serve the Living God, so the whole world received a blessing that is mostly both unreceived and despised.
Yet, it doesn't matter! We are still blessed beyond our understanding, IMO.
The world of BC was a far different place as far as interpersonal relationships and customs, from what I can tell by my reading and
self-education...we don't realize it but it was a barbaric and scary place, I am certain. There was little if any true pleasure of any enduring
sort, little or no enjoyment of good health, no prosperity except for kings and their ever-targeted family members, and fear was more prevalent than
All the good things that help our lives to be less grueling and painfully brief, today--look into their histories and see when and how they sprung up.
Not with the wheel, but with just a brief flicker of light in absolute darkness...
Have you ever heard the saying, 'It only takes just one person to bring about big change?'
Just one person. One human being.
I love Jesus Christ's teachings with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength!!!
Yes, I feel that is truth. I have read maybe one other of your posts, but I can't recall what the subject was. I felt that, then, too, even though
it wasn't something fruitful for me to discuss, so I really didn't get involved enough to feel your spirit. But I do now and I think it's
It makes me very happy about the whole situation!