first off, i'm starting this thread to discuss the hoax angle as a seperate topic entirely, and second (no offence here) but you offered three seperate files in .rar format that i personally could not get to work. i commend you for offering them, but my link is much more user friendly, and a wee bit less frustrating.

didnt mean to steal your thunder! (tasteslike)

peace.

I don't like Penn & Teller. I've only seen a few of their "debunkings" but they make fun of anyone who thinks something wierd happened.

I have no thunder to steal, so no problem. I actually watched P&T from the links I posted, so they're not "mine" per se... just happened to be where I got them.

There should have been no problem in extracting files - it's always a good idea to use WinRAR and not another archiver when dealing with RAR files. Agreed that a one-file direct download is preferable.

@Nventual:

I've only seen a few of their "debunkings" but they make fun of anyone who thinks something wierd happened.

Here in the US, we call it "comedy."

Just watched the video - CLASSIC.
Thanks for making my day.

I think it's important to say virtually none of the people who thought it was authentic or possibly authentic, were willing to accept it without further evidence being released by the cameraman. The people contacting him "Asshat 1" & "Ashat A" were both emphasising that the original recording would have to be examined and that would include what happened before and after the event.

All that Penn & Teller have proved is that there are a lot of people out here who rather than just saying "that's fake" are actually willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. I think that's a good thing, don't you?

I haven't downloaded your Penn & Teller, but I have watched the episode along
with all the others they have come out with. I think that in the Cryptozoology episode they brought to life that there are alot of people out there that are willing to tell you and anyone else anything they would like to hear. There are many people out there that claim to be "experts" and claim that they can make themselves or any one else large amounts of money over nothing and no actual training. It's hard to be an expert in a type of animal, or monster, if no one has actually captured one. I think that Penn & Teller shows are a good thing because they bring to light that there are many people out there that are full of bulls***, hince the name of the show. Don't believe in something because someone else says it's true, believe in something because you have faith that it truly exist. And be open minded to fact that maybe it doesn't.

Originally posted by JocosaDon't believe in something because someone else says it's true, believe in something because you have faith that it truly exist. And be open minded to fact that maybe it doesn't.

And as I said above they didn't prove anything with their faked video except people are willing to give the benefit of the doubt, but at the same time MOST of us require further evidence on top of the short clips that get posted on the internet. And in that way we sort out the fakes from the possibly real deal. The one thing that was constant about the Penn and Teller fake was the guy was unwilling to do anything further to prove his case.

well i for one am not ashamed to say when i first saw the sonoma footage, i was intrigued. why not? there was nothing there that absolutely screamed fake. and thats where penn and teller show there real colors because while they are obviously laughing and pointing there stinky little fingers at us, they were also not brave enough to create footage that would absolutely divide people into the gullible and the smart. they gave us quick blury footage, they hid behind something that was to vague to form any definite opinion, and then they came out shooting. I once new this guy who had a great poker face and could say anything and eventually you would believe it because he insisted it was true as long as it took to convince you. and it wasnt like he was saying stuff like "hey i like to incubate tadpoles in my bum" or anything it was like " hey they want to fire you" or something like that. and you would laugh for a bit and brush it off, and tell him he was full of it, but after a while you really had no choice but to believe him because he insisted with such a straight face that it was true. then he would start laughing, calling you gullible. holy mother of jeebus that was annoying.

it's kinda like that.

peace.