Dream Defense Budget!

In this thread you would have a list of how much money you would alocate to your military. Such as R&D costs, Procurment Costs, Salary, etc. You can make up stuff for certain things like salary or whatever. But make a detailed list of what you would spend on training, future military systems, and current upgrades. I will be posting my dream defense budget soon!

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Subtotal-Zero dollars, zero cents

Actually, let's throw in one thing

2 billion dollars, R&D, for a Hippie Free Love Ray Gun


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Simple:

Favorite Military: United States military (yeah I am biased, I am an American!)

Dream Budget:
Army: 250 billion a year (with requirement to pay combat arms a lot more $$$)
Navy: 250 billion a year
Air Force: 100 billion a year plus however much it costs for a fleet of 2000 F/A-22s
Marine Corps: 200 billion (with requirement to pay combat arms a lot more)
U.S. Special Operations Command: 20x whatever their current budget is
NASA: 20x whatever their current budget is
Coast Guard: 10x current budget

Total: approx 800-900 billion:cool

Good start I want more detail tho. Like how much you would allocate to each future system, say in the navy te DDX 4 billion a year in the army NLOS-C (non line of sight cannon) 2 billion a year etc.

2006 budget




Army Programs NLOS-C (non-line of sight cannon) 2 billion a year
MCS (mounted combat system) 2 billion a year
ICV (infantry carrier vehicle) 1 billion a year
R&SV (recon & surveillance vehicle) 1 billion a year
MedVac (medical and evacuation vehicle) 1 billion a year
R&MV (recovery and maintenance vehicle) 500 million a year
C2-V (command and control vehicle) 1 billion a year
NLOS-M (non-line of sight mortar) 1 billion a year
ARV (armed robotic vehicle) 500 million a year
UGV (unmanned ground vehicle) 500 million a year
SUGV (small unmanned ground vehicle) 500 million a year
HALE UAV 250 million a year
TUAV 250 million a year
SUAV 250 million a year
OAV 250 million a year
5 billion a year Objective Force Warrior
5 billion a year Land Warrior
2 billion a year Intelligent Munition Systems
force restructuring 10 billion a year
Total Bill 35 billion a year

procurment cost 20 billion a year

Navy Programs DDX (future advanced destroyer) 4 billion a year
CVN-21 (21st century aircraft carrier) 4 billion a year
FAS (future attack sub) 4 billion a year
CVX (future advanced cruiser) 2 billion a year
LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) 2 billion a year
force restructuring 10 billion a year
Munitions 2 billion a year
FSSBN (future nuclear missile sub) 2 billion a year

total 30 billion a year



procurment costs 20 billion a year








Air Force Programs
SkyCat1000 1 billion a year
Pelican Transport 2 billion a year
Future Helicopter Transport 2 billion a year
Future Attack Helicopter 2 billion a year
MC-X Future SOF Aircraft 1 billion a year
AC-X Replacement Gunship 1 billion a year
KC-X Future Refueling Aircraft 1 billion a year
ABLA (airborne laser aircraft) 2 billion a year
X-47 UCAV-N 1 billion a year
X-45 UCAV 1 billion a year
B-3 Future Bomber 1 billion a year
Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR) 1 billion a year
force restructuring 10 billion a year
Munitions 2 billion a year

Total 30 billion a year




procurment costs 20 billion a year







Training Costs

Jungle Warfare Schools 2 billion
Arctic Warfare Schools 2 billion
Mountain Warfare Schools 2 billion
Amphibious Warfare Schools 2 billion
Desert Warfare Schools 2 billion
Naval Warfare Schools 5 billion
Submarine Warfare Schools 4 billion
Air Warfare Schools 5 billion
Land Warfare Schools 5 billion
Special Warfare Schools 5 billion
Counter-Terrorism Schools 5 billion
Joint Warfare Exercises 10 billion
War Colleges 5 billion
Officer Schools 4 billion
Advanced Individual Training Schools 10 billion
Urban Warfare 2 billion
amorys 5 billion




150 billion a year for wages
100 billion a year for housing and services.
50 billion a year for humaniterean missions and reconstruction missions.
maintenace, upgrades and current procurment costs 100 billion.



total 640 billion a year

Westy's 2007 Dream DoD Budget - 6.5 % Of GDP - Declared DoD Goal: Full Spectrum Dominance

Fiscal 2007 DoD Budget by Title
(Discretionary budget authority $ in billions)

Operations and maintenance - $235 Billion
Military Personnel - $200.5 Billion
Procurement - $243.5 Billion
Research & Development - $100 Billion
Military Construction - $19 Billion
Family Housing - $ 10 Billion
Other - $ 2.5 Billion
Total - $ 810.5 Billion

“Black Budget” - *** 25% Increase

Fiscal 2005 DoD Budget by Component
(Discretionary budget authority $ in billions)

Army - $210.5 Billion
Navy/Marine Corps - $250 Billion
Air Force - $250 Billion
Defense Related Programs - $100 Billion

Spending For Operation in Iraq and Afghanistan

Iraq/Afghanistan $85 Billion

Defense Related Agencies: 2007 Budget

NASA - $25 Billion - 56% Increase from 2005
Department of Energy - $35.1 Billion - 50% Increase from 2006
Department of Homeland Security - $47.5 Billion - 30% Increase from 2004
Department for Veterans Affairs - $84.4 Billion - 40% Increase from 2004

Top Priorities

Military Personal Benefits and Payment

Battlefield Supplies and Equipment (Iraq, Afghanistan)

Long-term Increase in Active Military Personnel Force
- 22% Increase In Active Military Force
- 20% Increase in number of Special Forces Personnel

Nuclear Arsenal Upgrade and Redesign Program

- New Nuclear Warhead Design
- New Ballistic Missile System
- Upgrade of Ballistic Missile Facilities and Systems
- Reintegrate MIRV’s in 35% of Active ICBM/SLBM Force
- Redesign and Upgrade Nuclear Capable Cruise Missiles
- Develop Alternative Means of Nuclear Warhead Delivery

Increase in US Military Bases in Europe, Middle East, Asia and South America

Increase in Urban Warfare and Peacekeeping /Crowd Control Training

Future Program Research and Acquisition

Future Navy Ships And Systems

- CVN-21
- DD(X)
- CG(X)
- LCS
- UUV Systems
- UAV, UCAV Systems
- Future Supply/ Auxiliary Ships
- MC-X
- LHX/'___'-X - HLCAC
- Future Command/Intelligence Ships
- JSF
- F/A-18G
- Future Rotary Systems

Future Air Force Aircraft and Systems

- Global Strike Systems
- P-8
- E-10
- JSF
- ABL
- Future Strategic Bomber
- Space Based Weapon Systems
- KC-X
- C-XX
- UAV, UCAV Systems
- Rotary Systems
- Future Airship Systems

Future Ground Systems Army/Marine Corps

-XM-29 OCIW
-XM-8 (Program Restarted)
- Land Warrior
- FCS
- FCS: MGV
- FCS: MCS
- FCS: NLOS-C
- FCS: NLOS-LS
- FCS: UAV, UCAV, UGV
- AAAV/ EFV
- Future Rotary Systems

Program’s with Increased Procurement Totals

- F-22A
- Virginia Class
- DD(X)
- JSF
- RQ-1L Predator
- MQ-1 Predator
- RQ-9 Global Hawk B
- V-22
- M1A2 SEP
- Stryker
- M270 MLRS (SPLL)
- M992 FAASV
- PAC-3
- THAAD
- AAAV

Increased Integration and Development of Following Systems

- Net Centric Warfare
- DEW Systems
- ABM Systems
- Unmanned Systems
- Future Missiles and Munitions

[edit on 24-5-2006 by WestPoint23]

i heard on the news that the us army is concerned over chinas balloning defence budget like 35 billion or somthing like that why are they concerned anyway i mean 35 billion..thats nothing compared to what the us is spending

Actually, China’s true defense spending budget is not known, however one thing is for sure, its $35 Billion declared total is BS. They spend a lot more on their military than they publicly advertise. One more thing, I’m sure you’ve heard it before, but its true, everything costs more in the US, wages, cost of systems, troop pay and benefits, etc… For a developing country like China this is not as big of a problem as it is for the US. And historically speaking our defense budget is relatively low, only around 4% of GDP, to give you an idea of past military budgets check out the first link below.

Related Sources

US Defense Spending
China’s “Official” Budget
China’s Defense Budget is Smoke and Mirrors

I thought the U.S. defense budget was only around 1% of the GDP.

Originally posted by WheelsRCool
I thought the U.S. defense budget was only around 1% of the GDP.

The last time the US was even close to spending just 1% of its GDP on the military was 66 years ago.

Originally posted by WestPoint23



Future Program Research and Acquisition

Future Navy Ships And Systems

- CVN-21
- DD(X)
- CG(X)
- LCS
- UUV Systems
- UAV, UCAV Systems
- Future Supply/ Auxiliary Ships
- MC-X
- LHX/'___'-X - HLCAC
- Future Command/Intelligence Ships
- JSF
- F/A-18G
- Future Rotary Systems

Future Air Force Aircraft and Systems

- Global Strike Systems
- P-8
- E-10
- JSF
- ABL
- Future Strategic Bomber
- Space Based Weapon Systems
- KC-X
- C-XX
- UAV, UCAV Systems
- Rotary Systems
- Future Airship Systems

Future Ground Systems Army/Marine Corps

-XM-29 OCIW
-XM-8 (Program Restarted)
- Land Warrior
- FCS
- FCS: MGV
- FCS: MCS
- FCS: NLOS-C
- FCS: NLOS-LS
- FCS: UAV, UCAV, UGV
- AAAV/ EFV
- Future Rotary Systems

Program’s with Increased Procurement Totals

- F-22A
- Virginia Class
- DD(X)
- JSF
- RQ-1L Predator
- MQ-1 Predator
- RQ-9 Global Hawk B
- V-22
- M1A2 SEP
- Stryker
- M270 MLRS (SPLL)
- M992 FAASV
- PAC-3
- THAAD
- AAAV

Increased Integration and Development of Following Systems

- Net Centric Warfare
- DEW Systems
- ABM Systems
- Unmanned Systems
- Future Missiles and Munitions

[edit on 24-5-2006 by WestPoint23]

How much money would you spend on each program? Thats what I want to know.

[edit on 26-5-2006 by blue cell]

after seeing West Points budget proposal I want to make a more detailed one! Coming soon!

Eightyfive Trillion.........quarterly.....reason being...troops have to get their folks to buy their greens for them now!...what a shame.



And more AND bigger bombs....A bomb big enough to snuff out the sun would put the fear of God in those evil arabs



And the leftover money could be used to air condition the middle east so marines don't work up too much of a sweat while kicking in doors and shooting women *AGRHEMMM* I mean insurgents!

Gen of the Army MacArthur wrote the Constitution for Japan after WW2. He was frequently referred to as the Emperor of Japan (behind his back). Detractors and admirers alike say if you believe in destiny, it was “Mac” who was born to that task. No other man on earth could have done it the way he did it.

Sure, Mac was fired by Truman for “insolence” and so on, but by then, late 1950, he had already made Japan into a modern democracy. Oh, Japan had exhibited democratic tendencies beginning in the early 1900s but those weak impulses were stamped out in the 1930s when a military elite gained control of the Diet and the Cabinet. It did not portend well that the Emperor shared the same aggressive preferences of his Army. The Navy OTOH, was not so belligerent.

The Japanese Constitution provides that not more than ONE Percent of the GDP can be spent on military defense. No aggressive weapons allowed, only defensive. Between socialized medicine and a small defense budge, it was no wonder Japan could undercut US automakers and tv companies in the 1960s and 1970s. But the US learns slowly. Especially when the War Mongers are in charge.

Blue Cell's 2006 Dream Defense Budget


R&D organized by Military Services

Army R&D

NLOS-C (non-line of sight cannon) 2 billion a year
This vehicle recieves more funding then some of the other vehicles because it has more risk involved. The cannon with either be an EM (electro-magnetic) or ETC (electo-thermal-chemical) gun. This a revolutionary technology so more money will be needed for potential setbacks.


MCS (mounted combat system) 2 billion a year
This vehicle has to be extremely light but at the same time have enough armor to protect it from all types of threats. A significant amount of money will be used in composite armor, electro-magnetic armor and many other types of light but strong armor. Also revolutionary weapons will be used in this vehicle which could mean potential setbacks.

ICV (infantry carrier vehicle) 1 billion a year
This vehicle will need to be light but highly protected and have room enough for plenty of soldiers and their equipment to be packed in there comfortably. That is why I chose to spend 1 billion a year on it. (please note each explanation I give is to justify the money I am spending on these systems)

R&SV (recon & surveillance vehicle) 1 billion a year
I want this vehicle to have revolutionary electronic surveliance capabilites therefore it will be equiped with the most revolutionary sensors and computers to analyze that data.

MedVac (medical and evacuation vehicle) 1 billion a year

This vehicle has to be fast but amply protected and also I want it to have room for advanced medical equipment. It also needs to have space so all types of doctors can work effiecently in treating the injured persons wounds.

R&MV (recovery and maintenance vehicle) 500 million a year
I don't place that big of a deal on this vehicle just needs to have a strong tow capacity.

C2-V (command and control vehicle) 1 billion a year
This vehicle needs to have state of the art communications and computers that can help commanders make decisions throught 3D illustrations.


NLOS-M (non-line of sight mortar) 1 billion a year
This vehicle needs to have extremely good accuracy in shooting mortar rounds, and it must also do it fast and efficently.



ARV (armed robotic vehicle) 500 million a year

This is an unmanned system and it needs to be programed to know what to do in all types of certain situations and what weapon to use in different types of engagements.


UGV (unmanned ground vehicle) 500 million a year

This could be unmanned ground surveliance, base security, etc this vehicle must be able to follow the area's it must patrol and at the same time be situationly aware of whats happening around it.





SUAV 500 million a year

This unmanned aircraft would be able to fly into small spaces and report enemy activity in building complexes, therefore I would want good situational awareness capabilites and good sensors to monitor voices.

OAV 250 million a year

This vehicle would be small enough to fly around cites and report about the enemy with out being seen, I would want a quiet engine and good sensors to see around corners and past buildings make sure it didn't run into the enemy.

5 billion a year Objective Force Warrior This is a family of systems to make the individual soldier more effective.

2 billion a year Intelligent Munition Systems

This would improve our motar and artillary shells accuracy.\

750 million a year radar and other sensor equipment.

Total 20 billion




Navy R&D

DDX (future advanced destroyer) 4 billion a year
Because of the revolutionary weapons that will be fielded on this warship, I am refering to the EM gun and PVLS (Peripheral Vertical Launching System) which will increase the number of missiles that can be stored on each destroyer. This is why I would invest so much money into it. Also the automated manning systems that help reduce the crew of the destroyer is another reason why I would invest that much into it.


CVN-21 (21st century aircraft carrier) 4 billion a year

The new carrier would feature automated manning systems, advanced launch and recovery systems and a smaller island that has to accomplish the same tasks with less room.

FAS (future attack sub) 4 billion a year

The future attack sub would feature revolutionary technologies in the areas of reduced manning, reduced sound, propulsion, and weapons handling and launching. And of course be able to launch multipe UUV's for certain missions. Therefore it would need maximum funds to experiment with new systems and ideas.

CVX (future advanced cruiser) 2 billion a year

This is half the DDX's cost because some of the systems from the DDX will be incorporated into this ship, but it will still be a revolutionary design because it is the next genereation cruiser.


LCS (Littoral Combat Ship) 1 billion a year

The Littoral Combat Ship is a pretty simple design it has to be fast and is geared to do certain missions so I want to make sure it is fully equiped to carry out its mission beyond any preset standards.




Munitions 2 billion a year

I want to make sure the land attack and sea defense munitions have long range, destructive power and accuracy to the max.

FSSBN (future nuclear missile sub) 2 billion a year

The next generation Nuclear Missile Sub must be extremely quiet and be able to detect threats from miles away. And also be able to launch UUV's to patrol around the sub so it can warn it of any potential threats.


UUV's ( unmanned underwater vehicles) 2 billion a year

UUV's would have to have extremely good situational awareness and also be able to launch all types of weapons, sensors and perhaps even smaller UUV's to patrol around subs or carry out other important missions.

2 billion a year advanced Sonar and Radar equipment



23 billion a year






Since I couldn't finish the rest of my budget because of limit of letters I will do the next two services bugets in a new post.






[edit on 1-6-2006 by blue cell]

US Air Force R&D


SkyCat1000 1 billion a year

Because of the wide range of capabilites SkyCat1000 has (global lift capabilites, airship arsenal and aircraft launcher) it will need to go throught many tests and have many variations. This is why it is allocated this much money.


Pelican Transport and other future transport planes 1 billion a year

Because of the multiple capabilities transport planes must have, long range, huge payload and they must be able to land on small airfields.


Future Helicopter Transport 1 billion a year

This future helicopter must be stealthy but at the same time have be able to have a good payload and be able to carry many troops while also being protected from all types of weapons.


Future Attack Helicopter 2 billion a year


This helicopter must be extremely stealthy while at the same time fast, agile and lethal. It must be able to carry a huge weapons load, and also have all types of advanced sensors.


AC-X Replacement Gunship 1 billion a year
The new gunship must have even more firepower and precision then the one before it. Special Munitions must be made more and bigger guns must be installed. The aircraft must be more fast and agile to be able to escape tommorow's threats.

KC-X Future Refueling Aircraft 1 billion a year
The new refueling aircraft must be able to hold and disperse more fuel faster and more efficently then the aircraft before it. It also must be able to have long range and be more low observable then before.

ABLA (airborne laser aircraft) 1 billion a year
Extensive tests must be done and this aircraft must be able to counter a variety of threats just not scud missiles.

X-47 UCAV-N 1 billion a year
This aircraft must be able to land and take off from aircraft carriers, be steathy, agile, fast and lethal all at the same time.

X-45 UCAV 1 billion a year
This aircraft has to carry a good payload, have revolutionary sensors, be able to tell what targets on the ground are enemy and what are friendly. Be stealthy , fast, agile and be able to excute many tactics to destroy enemy aircraft, evade enemy weapons, and destroy ground targets.

B-3 Future Bomber 1 billion a year
This bomber must have a huge payload, good range, steathy, agile, fast, good sensors and be able to launch a variety of weapons.


Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR) 1 billion a year
This system must be able to takeoff and land verticaly have a good weapons payload and be able to conduct multiple maneuvers.

Munitions 2 billion a year
These future munitions must have range, steath and explosive power beyond current munitons.

Advanced Radar and other sensor systems: 2 billion a year
Pilots must be able to detect threats in there area of operations from very far away they must have the advantage of knowing were there enemy is coming from and at what speed, etc.


Unmanned Transport Helicopter 1 billon a year

This system must be able to land troops and equipment with precision and steath.


total 18 billion a year














[Strategic R&D

Missile Defense Systems 1 billion a year
Nuclear Missile Upgrades 250 million a year







[Current, intermedient and minor R&D

Future Supply Ship 250 million a year
LHX 250 million a year
Future Intelligence Ships 500 million a year
JSF 500 million a year
F-22 250 million a year
V-22 and variants 250 million a year
Unmanned Air Vehicles 250 million a year
F/A-18G 200 million a year
Land Warrior 250 million a year
EFV 250 million a year
HLCAC 200 million a year
Virginia 300 million a year
MLRS Upgrades 100 million a year
B1 Upgrades 100 million a year
B-52 Upgrades 100 million a yar
B-2 Upgrades 100 million a year
Stryker 100 million a year
M1A2 SEP 100 million a year
PAC-3 100 million a year
Future Hummer 250 million a year



[edit on 2-6-2006 by blue cell]

[edit on 2-6-2006 by blue cell]

Originally posted by WheelsRCool
Simple:

Favorite Military: United States military (yeah I am biased, I am an American!)

Dream Budget:
Army: 250 billion a year (with requirement to pay combat arms a lot more $$$)
Navy: 250 billion a year
Air Force: 100 billion a year plus however much it costs for a fleet of 2000 F/A-22s
Marine Corps: 200 billion (with requirement to pay combat arms a lot more)
U.S. Special Operations Command: 20x whatever their current budget is
NASA: 20x whatever their current budget is
Coast Guard: 10x current budget

Total: approx 800-900 billion:cool

What does an army do with 2000 F-22...???

Originally posted by Figher Master FIN


What does an army do with 2000 F-22...???

Its a dream defense budget what if we had to go against the world? haha

Costs for training and training centers

Training Costs

Jungle Warfare Schools 2 billion

We must maintain our expertise in jungle warfare so that if we need to fight any wars in Asia or South America we will be proficent in fighting them.

Arctic Warfare Schools 1 billion

We need to be proficent in fighting in every type of enviornment.


Mountain Warfare Schools 2 billion

Because mountains make good hideouts for soldiers and terrorists we must be very proficent in this type of warfare.

Amphibious Warfare Schools 4 billion

Amphibious Warfare is very important if we ever invaded a country from the sea we would need to establish a beach head.


Desert Warfare Schools 4 billion

Desert Warfare is important because when we fight in the middle east we fight in the desert.

Naval Warfare Schools 10 billion

Naval Warfare has many facets and tactics to learn this is why we must practice many tactics.

Submarine Warfare Schools 5 billion

Submarine Warfare is like an art, we want our sailors to be so good at it that it is like a science.

Air Warfare Schools 10 billion

Our pilots must be the best in transporting, fighting in the air, close air support and other missions.

Land Warfare Schools 10 billion

Land Warfare encompasses a lot of things, patroling, marching, etc.


Special Warfare Schools 5 billion

Our Special Forces must be the best in the world they will have the most hardest training in the world.

Counter-Terrorism Schools 5 billion

Since the advent of global terrorism we must be able to respond quickly and effectivly.

Joint Warfare Exercises 10 billion

We must learn how to cooperate within our military and with our allies military in a variety of roles.


War Colleges 5 billion

Strategy must be taught, new ideas came up with and that is why we will have the best war colleges in the world.

Officer Schools 4 billion

Officers must be trained to the hightest standars of conduct this is why we will have the best officers in the world.

Advanced Individual Training Schools 10 billion

Special skills like demolition, electrician and various other specialties must be taught and implemented to their highest capacity.

Urban Warfare 2 billion

Right now we find ourselves engaging in urban warfare in Iraq, we are doing well, but we must prepare for the future challenges of urban warfare.




Marine Corps Training 10 billion The marine corps must be small, around 100,000 and at the same time be able to support itself they must be flexible and be able to strike when they want. Their training stanards must be about what the US Army Rangers standards were before they were toughened.





Money For Military Facilites


armorys five billion a year

Since they hold a good portion of our weapons they must be guarded against attack, and be strong structuraly.



Naval Bases 10 billion a year

In my military there would be 12 major naval bases around the world, about 24 minor naval bases and about 12 expeditionary strike group bases. The major naval bases would hold one of our carrier strike groups, as would the ESG bases and the 24 minor bases would hold patrol vessels in hot spots around the world. This would take a lot of security, sensors, men and ships and vehicles would be the keys.


Army and Air Force Bases 10 billion a year

The army would have 48 bases all over the world not including the US. It would take sensors, obstacles, vehicles and men to protect against infiltration. There would be also 24 army bases all over the US. The Air force would have 12 bases in the US, and 24 bases all over the world. Same basic principle with Air Force Bases.



Nuclear Facilites 15 billion billion a year

Nuclear Facilites would have to be proteced from all types of NBC threats. Also the best security force in the world would have to protect those facilites. Sensors, vehicles, aircraft and obstacles would have to be the best and hardest to get through.



















[edit on 3-6-2006 by blue cell]

[edit on 3-6-2006 by blue cell]

[edit on 3-6-2006 by blue cell]

My dream budget would basically just triple the current pay rate of all enlisted men and women.