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reply posted on 14-5-2006 @ 11:22 AM by blatantblue
first, lets used an unenhanced version of fatty B.
911myths.com...

the middle image is the infamous fatty B image. unenhanced, unsharpened, etc. doesnt look so fat to me anymore. looks to me like a man smiling.
bsbray the fundamental flaw in your argument is that you are basing this all on one still out of an entire video. you can tell me not to compare profiles to head ons blah blah but its all the same. when you have ONE, ONE still that looks, while smiling proudly, in comparison to the rest of the stills where he looks normal while normally talking, its not much of an argument at all!

and why would such a detail be there? call it non-sequitor because it doesnt fit your agenda, but i dont think it would be in there if it were fake. why mention holland, and the supposed rise in islam after september 11th?

and im grasping at straws? you keep focusing one ONE stillframe, when the rest dont look fat!!! does that say anything?


anyway,
i believe we have a miscommunication, i posted:
"in addition, in reference to photo D
newsfeed.tcm.ie...
the nose curve is the same, which is not seen from head on.
the angle of shot D just speaks for itself. the right side of his face appears rounder because of the angle and the way his beard takes shape upon his face. "
i was not talking about fatty at that time. you think i did because you then posted to the two small close shots of the fatty nose and the one i linked to. i was just talking about picture D, not the fatty one at that point. i was trying to point out D isnt a different osama but anyway. i should have clarified.


the turban of the second shot is smaller than the first.
you can see the right side of it shift left. the whole face gets skinnier, along with the turban. if the turbans were scaled together it would look different
A shots nose looks wider because its less defined than b shots nose. the nose doesnt change size between shots, it changes in its definition, which makes the nose look skinnier. there is no definition in the nose of shot A.
the sound production of A makes the cheekbones appear to be higher, raised, but in reality its his muscles tensing to produce that sound.
shot B he is producing an OO sound, his lips must come out and slightly pucker, which pulls the muscles and skin in a different direction, it relaxes them. you can also see his eyebrows raise back as he does this, in comparison with the tense eyebrows in shot A of the gif.

and above all this, you ignore possible weight gains and loses as a result of his kidney dialysis.

furthermore, another possibility is the use of doubles. Al-qaeda psyops, since youre concerned with that.

washingtontimes.com...

www.hinduonnet.com...

there are too many aspects of this to pin it as a fallacy, bsbray.


reply posted on 14-5-2006 @ 01:04 PM by bsbray11
You can point out all the differences in lighting and the still being angled a few degrees different from another or what Osama had for breakfast that day, but you're not proving that it was the same guy. You're only contesting how I'm showing you the differences, and the thing is, you're not doing a complete job at that.

What you're saying are all things to keep in mind, but at the end of the day you still have this:



Change the relative sizes or adjust the lighting or whatever you want and you would still have two distinctly different noses. Go ahead. There's only so much room for difference between two human noses, but I'll be damned if those are both the noses of the same dude short of plastic surgery.

Pick out other noses from the Fatty videos to compare to Osama (from about the same angles mind you -- no profiles to fronts or silly crap like that) and you'll see the same thing. Again, go ahead.

Btw,

Originally posted by blatantblue
bsbray the fundamental flaw in your argument is that you are basing this all on one still out of an entire video. you can tell me not to compare profiles to head ons blah blah but its all the same.


Hats off to you for this awesome contradiction.

Originally posted by LeftBehind
and please keep hauling out those disinfo rules when your argument starts losing. When you can no longer handle the debate it's a good tactic to start questioning the method of debate, fallacy, non-sequiter etc.


I was pointing out the non-sequitur because that's what it was, not because I was "losing." It's a logical fallacy for a reason, buddy, but it's nice to see you're as immature as ever with these discussions. Concern yourself with "winning" and "losing" talk over world events and you sure as hell must be on the path to denying ignorance, and not just trolling, right?


reply posted on 14-5-2006 @ 08:14 PM by bsbray11
Originally posted by blatantblue
of which ones, ill do it for you


Try for angles like this, in between profile and fontal:


Those look pretty irreconcilable. Or just frontals:



Sets of one from one of the Fatty tapes, one from some other source.

You can change the lighting or whatever you want so long as you can make out the same basic features of each nose. Distorting the pictures so that you can hardly make out squat in them (like LB just did) doesn't accomplish anything.


reply posted on 14-5-2006 @ 11:08 PM by bsbray11
Originally posted by blatantblue
if the two side noses are the same, and the lips are the same, they are not the same?


Not if the facial features don't match up at all in other aspects. What were you saying about body doubles earlier? You think they'd use someone who doesn't look anything like the real deal?

also, if im to compare what you mentioned, can i use something more representative of the tape as a whole, or are you going to continue bantering about a single frame?


I don't care as long as you do what I outlined above. And about the same size, too, man. Same sizes, same angles.

Originally posted by LeftBehind
Here is the same comparison with a better still.


The noses are still different; it's just less noticeable because the heads are completely different sizes and the 2004's body gives the image a slim feel as compared to the other image.

In this picture the quality is a little better, and he looks much more like he does in other videos. Is this nose good enough for you?


No, lol, you didn't even post anything to compare that one to. I'm saying same angle for a reason man. You must not even be looking at the pics.

You're being ridiculous LB. Granted compression does make a difference, but not the one you're looking for. What do you have to gain in being so thick-headed man?



The noses are completely different. Not bad quality, or compressed, etc., etc.; they're just DIFFERENT.

Compression doesn't do that. Consult a freaking expert.

And would you freaking look at those noses for christ sake. Are we even looking at the same thing here? Dense, dense, dense man. I'm losing motivation to keep responding here if you're just going to refuse to look at it and keep chanting compression like it's some magic charm that totally rearranges facial features.

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reply posted on 15-5-2006 @ 12:33 AM by blatantblue
here she is bsbray
lets put it to rest.

terrorism.freeservers.com...

thats a shot of osama you keep posting.

www.lasegunda.com...

there he is again. same rifle, same pillow.

www.september11news.com...
and again.

these are all of him issuing a fatwa in 98. the second shots he is osama.

the second one in turn can match with the following
911myths.com...

or this
911myths.com...


now im positive they are the same people!





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