Originally posted by Gemwolf
I'm not denying that some sort of government agency probably has some sort of Watchdog that keeps an eye on what kind of information is going round.
What I'm questioning is how this information is gathered and what is done with it. Recently we saw the whole AT&T and NSA (?) debacle. This should
tell us that the government does not have it's own means to watch Internet specifics. Why on earth would they need AT&T's database then?
But don't miss the bigger picture Gemwolf...they do have an interes obviously, and do use whatever means are available...like Google, At&T, etc..the
branches/agencies are gathering statistical data in every way they can. No they are not spying on everyone's computers...but they are doing the best
they can right now, aren't they? Illegal wiretapping-to internet data-they are doing whatever they can, and these are just the things WE KNOW
There are many ways to get a pulse on the people and 'flag and tag' certain things. Again, it's about the big picture, a combination of a few
factors, but sure, excluding having any REAL VERIFIABLE TRUTH of a conspiracy or something, most people are pretty dang "safe" and it's all a
matter of how much do you value your privacy, not if you wear a tin foil hat.
I laugh but seriously, privacy is a HUGE issue, and so is profiling. There is a part of the government that all the paranoids fear, but it is the part
that would not be interested in them AT ALL really, because really they aren't any type of real threat are they? No, not to the government at least,
or the affiliated agencies that work to protect the ways things are run and done. Especially the average nut job.
Then there is the lesser of the two evils of managing information and keeping tabs on people, and people don't give that lesser evil enough credit or
thought, IMO. Call me paranoid!
Originally posted by Gemwolf
We know that Credit Card companies, insurance companies, etc. are watching our Internet behaviour. They do this through Spyware, Spiders, Yahoo,
Google and all kinds of clever information gathering methods. All of this goes through processes, program code, data mining, etc. and little human
interaction is needed. But in the end they are left with a whole lot of statistical information. This information is then sold to other people and at
some stage you'll get some sort of add from the company. The point is that it can be done. No question about it.
BUT good luck trying to monitor all the information flow on the entire Internet on a personal basis. We don't have that kind of
LOL thinks you. I am not saying that they are monitoring all the information on the entire Internet on a personal basis, however do not be fooled into
thinking certain technologies do not exist. Granted half of the people working for the government agencies they do would say certain technology does
not exist or else their jobs would be easier-but really...well, not speaking about the Internet really, but in general, just don't think the "cat
being out of the bag" about an issue is indicative of the depth of the issue, or technology involved or even if speaking of Internet, that the govt
being in bed with Google or At&T is the extent of how far they are able, or have gone. It's just silly to think so. It's just what we are allowed to
know/have managed to know.
Now, back to my other point, of course the lesser evil (of information management) is not going to be following you personally around in an unmarked
) etc or that interested in YOU personally as to warrent any type of investigation or interviews about you or with you etc. You
as the average joe paranoid are simply not going to warrant them wasting any actually resources/man hours in any type of such personal surveilance or
attention....they actually don't know you exist or want to-
We are as you say Gemwolf, just a number.
However in the information age, your number is useful in profiling you. All of the statistical data gathered is done so to feed the "information
machine" as it were-computers where statistical data gathered can be stored, and cross referenced, and linked via social security number, IP's
addresses and other personally identifying means, to help identify those who meet certain profiles, or to help create profiles, or gauge a pulse
.. and its not all about who is intersted in UFO's or conspiracy sites, or who checks out certain flagged books, but all of that helps add up to
certain profiles when taken into consideration with other gatethered information.
The government has, wants, collects data on everything. Who has guns, who works under the table for cash, who invests their money and where is it
invested, who cheats on their taxes (some are allowed to get away with it, for the sake of undetected profiling) who votes, doesn't vote, goes to
meetings of this or that type, etc.
I say this not being paranoid but because I was once employed to gather data...for statistical purposes only of course, on a randomly chosen basis of
Anyway, seems if a certain IP address is consistantly hitting certain hot spots, and or a social secuirty number is likewise linked to more than one
particular flagged item, then that IP or SS# can be tagged for a computer to notice further flags of practices.
Perhaps it's just elevated to a level where it has met a certain criteria that one more flag in area 1, 2, oe 3 perhaps, will warrent the computer to
mark it for being elgible for man hours to be approved for a human to review the information, and prioritize it manually, or deprioritize it, or
otherwise classify it properly for the future in case it is tagged again for revue.
Not that the individual is a threat, but "their number" now is categorized differently than before, and now new hits, new flags mean something new
for that number than say someone who had never been tagged for review only raised a few flags, hit a few hot spots etc.
So you are right when you speak in statistical numbers, and the odds of each of us ever warranting any man hours for review, but it happens, and is
greatly aided by computers.
The biggest thing is people say "how could they?" and "Why would they?" "Don't be silly" (or so paranoid
)without realizing things done
today are things people feared in the past...likewise...what is being done today often even by those involved in doing them...are not seen for what
they are...for what their future use will be...they don't see the long term goal-or threat. They don't see the big picture.
Others don't know what they see, but they feel the prick of paranoid uncertainty...nothing wrong with that.
And the nut jobs think the sky is falling...but fact is, it may be...just slowly...
and the true crazies...well, they're just crazy, aren't they?
They are sure someone counts the times their refrigreator light comes on and how
often they flush their toilets.
Ah, I've got to go get some fresh air now. Thanks Gemwolf
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