Interesting discussion Gemwolf, but I kind of err on the paranoid end of the spectrum.
not really for myself (what do I know? NOTHING) but
just in general...
See, I think it is much easier to keep tabs on people these days so it doesn't take half the population to keep tabs on the other half. With
computers it is so much more simplified. I agree that the government is not interested in Joe Blow etc....to an extent....but I disagree that in
general people and their actions and statements and views are not monitored.
I think of it like this-like playing battleship on GBA...it was once my strategy if enough random shots were hits in my first attack and hit enough
different ships of my opponent, I'd not sink any of them on my next turns and raise their suspicions or make my advantage known. I'd turn my
attention elsewhere and look for ships I hadn't hit. I'd bide my time hitting them all pretty equally, until in my last turn or two (depending on
how lucky my opponent is) I could sink them all.
I don't know, OK, bad analogy but thats how my brain works today-too much GBA. It just seems each time a person is involved in something that may be
seen as a dissident type action as Drbones was speaking of, it is flagged like a "hit" on us, and no, not much interest in those little flags...a
hit here or there... as in who is checking out a copy of what book etc, but with computer's cross referencing things...eventually enough hits in
different areas by one person and...well, who knows...some attention will be drawn.
Us citizens just being a number to government indeed, but an identifying number (social security in the U.S. perhaps) 'in the system' is still each
of us represented... and when there are more and more hits on you, your number is going to come up (hopefully your number wont "be up'
your ship is going to be sunk. The ship being your anonymity to the government agencies who would monitor such.
In battleship a little song plays drawing attention to that fact when enough hits have sunk a ship...in life who knows, how or what happens, but I
dare say enough hits of differing types mind you, and something is going to sound to draw attention to you.
No, no one is going to monitor the every move of the average citizen or look for those who wear tin foil, but simply enough hits flagging someone,
could lead to an interest in the individual at that point, and warrant some surveillance or background checking...some personal attention by
So someone, somewhere, is going to take note of you and suddenly you are not going to be skating under the radar so easily...until cleared...which
means perhaps merely that first 'alarm' is shut off, and your number is put back in the system until such time a new alarm rings for your actions
causing more hits.
As for me...I wonder sometimes if I am paranoid enough! I've even asked someone once, and they said if I was paranoid enough to ask, my paranoia
level was probably elevated enough beyond reason to be considered sufficient.
But I had recently had some strange happenings like a political thread I made on an AOL board being completely removed without a trace. A bunch of
garbage had been written on both sides of an issue and I had written something right up the middle calling into question the governments motives and
addressing both sides etc, and there were a few that posted on that thread agreeing and finding it accurate, insightful, scary, etc., and bumping it
to stay on top and get proper attention...
...and shortly afterward I rec'd an odd email phishing for more information from me....saying they read my thread on the AOL politics board and would
like to read more of my thoughts and asking if I had literature, a website, or where could they read more about me and my ideas. Very short and to the
point and not personal or friendly-just weird and cold and a bad phishing vibe.
I went to my thread to see if/what they had posted there but, *poof* it had disappeared. It had lasted about an hour or so and was gone completely
without a trace. It was truly bizarre. I had the person who originally had called my attention to the board and had been the first fan of my thread to
see if they could find it, but they confirmed it was G-O-N-E and suddenly I felt that tickle on the back of my neck, you know? Can't help it. Felt
like a "hit."
When the FBI showed up at my door, they were quite forthright and it wasn't about me. An overweight middle aged man in gray slacks, white shirt and
tie. Actually, he didn't make it to my door, in my paranoia, I asked him what he wanted before he could get out of his car about 100 feet away in my
drive...he shouted "just a minute" and said he would tell me when he got to the porch.
I said no he would tell me now and he did. At that point he held up his ID which I couldn't even see yet and identified himself as FBI and explained
as he walked up he wasn't in the habit of declaring that from such a distance but since I had pressed him he had. I explained I needn't worry about
what the neighbors thought obviously. (I live in the woods with no neighbors. Geez...that paints a pretty picture of some reclusive paranoid nut, huh?
It's not the case-me and my family just enjoy privacy and nature.)
He invited himself in despite my reluctance, and sat at the table to ask his questions about someone else-doing a routine background check he said-and
chatted pleasantly, told me I was honest as he is trained to know otherwise (stroking his own ego?) and left. I am confidant it wasn't about me
However, I have also had two men in suits come to my place of work "looking for me" -yeah I know could it sound more stereotypically MIBish? LMAO
But that is the way it happened as described by one of my bosses- a manager, and here is the funny thing...or the funny things...
First, no one at my work knew of my interest in Area 51 or ANY conspiracies etc. They really knew so little about me I don't even know if they knew I
served in the military or worked as a civilian for the government either. So it's not like they were pulling a prank on the paranoid, you know? I
actually hadn't been very paranoid at all...until then!
The second funny thing was I NEVER figured out who the men were. These men who were "looking" for me, never called my home or came by for a visit to
look for me there.
My manager had said they just showed up at my work "looking for me" and when I was not there, casually asked a few questions about me and how well
she knew me and then left. They were described as average men, young to middle aged and dressed in dark suits, white shirts and ties.
I joked that maybe it was Mormon missionaries (two men in suits, right?) but my manager had a funny look like she didn't think I was taking it
seriously enough and thought I was hiding something and she didn't find it so funny.
Still I joked and said, "well, I guess the MIB finally found me then" and she raised an eyebrow as if that was more likely than missionaries and as
if she thought I was hiding something now! It was bizarre.
Anyway, yes, if you know something, you know you've a right to be paranoid, so most of us should know we can rest easy right?
...and if you are looking for something, you're fine too... unless you get too close to truth...to actually knowing something...most don't
So the best way to stay under the radar and not get enough hits for the points to add up to actually warranting some individualized attention is to
play dumb. But I don't think it's wise to think the radar doesn't exist.
Don't think there isn't a system set up to know when enough and diverse enough flagged hits spell out personalized attention here or there for
someone...somewhere...sometimes... it happens. Best bet is to just play dumb, we're all in good company when it comes to conspiracy theories-so act
like an idiot or a nut job and camouflage yourself as such.
Anyone can do that much- play dumb...I'm damn good at it myself ! And I'm not even playing!
So people shouldn't be so paranoid sure... but
nothing wrong with a bit of precaution induced lite paranoia.