To entertain the story of god, I think most everyone with god beliefs will agree that god is a source of energy, among other things. You certainly need energy to create stuff. Doesn't the story say that the last day was for rest? Rest for what, to get more energy. Where does that energy come from? When did it start? What were the steps that got it where it is today?
god is the default answer to things not yet known.
Evolution is about the change of existing life. It has nothing to do with the start of it all. Abiogenesis is about the beginning of life out of all that exists now and in the past. First off the big bang was not an explosion, it was an expansion. But what was in the beginning seams rather simplistic to me. Energy.
use this theory E=MC2. In the begining there was energy.
First you have energy. Then you get matter. Works for everyone here. Simple huh?
Now the problem and the division is science.
You either understand and apply the basic sciences to the real world or you make stuff up. Were you upset when you found out how much your parents lied to you when you grew up? How did you first learn/hear about god?
Thunder or a sneeze?
"God bless you" is said like a reflex after someone sneezes, interesting.
When a child hears thunder and sees lightning for the first time it is almost always explained by a lie. Something about god is bowling, or throwing lightning rods at bad people, or just plain angry about something. The details are not important but eventually you were taught some science. Well I hope you were. But thunder as we all know is the result of suddenly supper heating the air and water vapor by a bolt of lightning. The superheating causes sudden expansion which causes a thunder, a big bang. Wow, full circle.
So slowly stories you most likely were told as you grew up became untrue. No big deal huh. Maybe you were told that if you do bad god will strike you down. Great, I'm safe then, god will take care of all the bad people. Ever heard of a serial killer? What's up with that? (Are they Nephilm?) Do these guys have a lifetime pardon from god? What the @#@^%!!!
Ok, so there appears there may have been a few more false things that we may have been taught to keep us in line as we were growing up. False things, hum, doesn't that diminish the credibility of the source of all your information of you entire life to that point? You were told stories to learn values. The most important thing in the world is values. People seam to skirt the purpose quite often. You have been taught values and god was a huge part of that. Huge. Did I say huge? Well anyway, some people were influenced more then others as the grew up. But it is pretty hard to remove what has been driven into you as right and wrong. Can you instill solid values into your children without ever mentioning god? Most likely not, unless maybe you are an atheist. Did you chose your religion? I'm guessing not. Most likely your religion is that of your parents. They taught you all about your religion and about god and about thunder........
How did god come about?
He was made up to answer things we can't explain to you.
god bless you '
' Based on many observed events, causes and results.
In the beginning there was energy, and it was unstable. What is energy? electrons? particles? quarks? This part could be a long story.
Anyway, flowing electricity has several effects. In an atmosphere it can make thunder. In a vacuum (or the near vacuum of space) and in an atmosphere it makes an electromagnetic wave or pulse. This is a simplistic STORY of how the atom works. It is important that it is understood that this is simplified because the details, well lets just say a doctorate degree of knowledge would be required. But anyhow, that magnetism causes attractions, the electric charges causes repulsions. There was lots of banging of charged particles and sparks and basic chaos. But over time electrons were shattering protons and neutrons were being formed. Soon, bingo hydrogen! Matter is formed. E=MC2. What is time? Billions or trillions or infinitely plus one years ago? Does it really matter? '
' Know anyone who won the lottery on January 12th 1997? What are the odds? Pretty freakin small, but, not impossible. We could go our whole lives and never know someone who won. But suppose we lived forever. Eventually we would know someone who won, eventually. Well, it didn't take forever it took forever less one year. Energy changed form into matter.
Hydrogen is the simplest of all of our defined elemental elements (particles of matter, check out the periodic table of the elements). Over time and under conditions, which may never exist again, all of the particles of matter were formed. Electron bombardment under pressures and temperatures and radiation, and magnetism, and forces we may not yet know of. Plasmas and fusion and fission, matter was formed over and unknown, unspeculated amount of time.
There's a lot to explain. I can't explain all this now there isn't enough time, oh that's relative so let me sell out and say
god did it.
naw, there's no god. It would set a precedent that would make ghosts and goblins real. (the father, the son, and the holy ghost. Which is it? you are only supposed to pray to one god but, you list three)
They say god always existed, why? The earth didn't, we didn't. What would be the purpose of god before earth? Trillions of years with #@%$ to do. Why god? Why then? Why ever?
Values, just to teach values. Not a bad thing huh? Being taught the most important things in life but, under false pretences. We as a human race have set ourselves up for this by the way we teach. We are not objective to our world. People really need a structure to learn values and god fills that need, religion fills that need. People want to believe and with the principle benefit of values (of the appearance of values, religion out of convenience in no religion at all) how can anyone say that it is wrong? Religions feels attacked when you question their purpose. How many successful religions are killing people?
Isn't that how it became so big? by killing? People were taught values and told their religion. The inquisition was very successful at its mission, it won. Religion has been permanently fixed into the human culture. It is and has always been the biggest excuse for war because it divides. People make up different stories and believe them and fight for them. Viola, terrorists.
In the beginning there was energy, not nothingness. Slowly all of the elemental particles were formed. Different forces caused all the different forms of particles, to form matter, to form material. Nothing created. We are all made up of elemental particles. All those particles are made of electrons, protons, and neutrons. These are all the original particles that were once just energy. Only their form has changed, nothing was created.
God on the other hand just popped up outta energy, intelligence from nowhere and 10,000 years ago, magically created planets and stars and put billions of years of light into motion to fake us all out about the age of the universe.
Yeah,....... plausible if you have no values.
en.wikipedia.org...
Abiogenesis is being successfully tested in labs here on earth. Pretty dam amazing that this can be done in this gravity, in this atmosphere, under these pressures without the left handed protein effects of a supernova.
This book will answer a lot
www.forum2.org...
Note: Science will only answer how it happened not why, that is philosophy.'
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I imagine a
kind of three-dimensional black canvas... but then, surely if it was truely nothingness, it wouldn't even be black? Maybe it's not even 3-D.
