Child web porn; 1500 Known Paedophiles, still not charged?

I have to say that I've done a topic on this subjet before and it was taken down with in a few minutes. Yet mine was more harsh, I'm glad yours is still up.

I was giving info a group and trying to get more names of groups who let it go on example N*mbl* vowles taken out so search engins can't find it, I was told it was taken down for reasons, which I do understand afew a few days , weeks maybe, understand. It took me awhile to realize that even thou trieing to do good some bad might happen.

I'm hopeing someday that the original topic I posted will be brought back up. and I still have it on my harddrive of what I wrote. Just incase I can post it someday.

I'm glad you bring this to many peoples attention.

Oh evilbat, it's sad that society pressures us to protect the 'reputation' of powerfull men over the 'lives' of powerless children.

Saddly ATS is a part of society and reflects that fact by what causes people chose to champion.

Wouldn't it be great if ATS could turn this mindset around by just leaving the powerfull to look after themselves and instead add our collective voices to the silent cries of the powerless victims?

Thanks ImaginaryReality.

All I want is for people to become aware of how the coverups work so successfully.

The corrupt and powerfull already have media, legal and medical control to supress so many very ugly facts of this issue, so it saddens me that so many would use ATS to keep repeating their mantras rather than add weight of voice to the silenced side.

Hey there Suzy

It is mind boglling how many of these type of occurances be it blunders pure incompatence or plain cover ups exist,most of which i would`nt have even read about if it was`nt for you Suzy bringing it to ats.

What i would also like to say is, the only good occurance that has come out of it all, is for this young guy to have found God and been saved ,and hopefully those of the perverted mind set involved take notice and seek the same.

Good to see you around Suzy

God Bless You, gps777!

To hear there is one more person who won't simply fob someone who may tell them something, too horrible to believe, has made the many insulting attacks flung my way here, more than worth it.

It is difficult to illustrate the worst of the corruption involved, without giving away details that could endanger others, so lacking those details makes it easy for paedophiles and their 'associates' to throw the 'insanity card' at any who speak out at all.

This is what frustrates me, that ATS is so full of educated, worldly people who should understand the problems of surviving the 'legal' system in an effort to find justice, yet won't even dip their orr in to remind those claiming, "No conviction, no proof so it didn't happen", that they're doing the paedophiles 'cover work' for them.

Oh, and always remember if God has called you this far, only you can chose to reject Him, He will never leave you. Even if at times, it seems so, it's only because He's allowing you what you need, usually quite different than what we want, and trusting Him, we do come out the better for it.

This morning's session on ATS made me cry in dispair, now I'm all teary and smiling. Thank you so much.

I obviously do not know what the FBI is doing, but if I where them I would try to find the most dangerous of all those people.

The person who hides behind a computer and uses that way to reach children, paying them as in this case for his/hers own pleasure is not the most dangerous, the danger lies in the ones that stay "behind the curtains" and organise all those networks.

Maybe through the names and other information from that list the FBI can get at some of those who manage worldwide networks for the exploitation of children.

Today I found a new organisation here in Europe that was made to help track and help missing and/or exploited children.

The organisation is Childoscope, but apparently it is limited to Europe, but maybe the fact that this organisation exists could help to start the trend of creating or joining together of organisations that help fight this type of crime.

But remember that we must always try to avoid the “lynching mob” mentality. If the laws are not right, then correct the laws then apply them, but remembering always that anyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Originally posted by ArMaP
I obviously do not know what the FBI is doing, but if I where them I would try to find the most dangerous of all those people.

Wouldn't hand picking the ones the law thinks are most dangerous invalidate the justice system? Surely each criminal should be treated exactly the same until evidence is presented before a judge and jury. It is then the jury's decision if he/she is guilty and the judges decision on the sentence within the guidlines of the law.

Just my view, i believe in the legal system. Ok it fails us many many times but it's better than nothing at all. The only way to apply that system though is with fair treatment of each accused individual. No bias.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Wouldn't hand picking the ones the law thinks are most dangerous invalidate the justice system? Surely each criminal should be treated exactly the same until evidence is presented before a judge and jury. It is then the jury's decision if he/she is guilty and the judges decision on the sentence within the guidlines of the law.

They do it all the time, as when they let the drug consumers free so they can catch the dealers, and sometimes they let the street dealers alone so that they can catch the big drug dealers, that was what I was trying to say.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Wouldn't hand picking the ones the law thinks are most dangerous invalidate the justice system? Surely each criminal should be treated exactly the same until evidence is presented before a judge and jury. It is then the jury's decision if he/she is guilty and the judges decision on the sentence within the guidlines of the law.

They do it all the time, as when they let the drug consumers free so they can catch the dealers, and sometimes they let the street dealers alone so that they can catch the big drug dealers, that was what I was trying to say.

Well i see the drug user thing as a slightly different issue. The sentencing and outlook is different with that sort of thing. I see it more as a difference between two hypothetical murderers. One has killed two people and the other has only killed one, both killers did it intentionally. Should the double killer be jailed first? No the cases should just be looked at in the order of whichever you can move along first with the evidence you have. Get whoever you can prove to be guilty in prison first and then you can concentrate on the difficult cases.

I am probably taking a very simplistic view of it.

Originally posted by ArMaP

But remember that we must always try to avoid the “lynching mob” mentality. If the laws are not right, then correct the laws then apply them, but remembering always that anyone is innocent until proven guilty.

This is why justice must be done, swiftly and openly.

Too many victims and parents are finding out the hard way, that justice for them, is all but non-existant. They find each other, compare experiences and discover they weren't just unlucky in the justice system, it's standard.

This grows lynch mobs. They already exist. Ever wonder whether dead or missing business men met their fate at the hands of a victim?

One chap I knew was raped every weekend for ten years from age 4. His mother sent him out to this man (unrelated), even after multiple anal surgeries to mend the damage.

This, of course, ruined his life. He took to drinking in his teens and was constantly harrassed by police, who he'd tell why he was a drunk, the whole sordid tale. They always 'claimed' not to believe him and picked on him all the more.

One day he 'clicked' and hacked his abuser up with axe.

That murder trial and conviction was the first anyone cared to listen and believe.

So horrific was his tale, he was let out of gaol after 18 months. He got no justice for his life of no one stopping it or helping him, and will evermore be know as a "murderer".

So why didn't the doctors repairing his anus save him? Why the police harrassment, and so on?

Corruption!

Many knew what had been happening yet all effort was put into 'making him crazy' and unbelievable, still a favourite method of silencing victims. Make 'em crazy (no help, often leads to self medicating with heavy drugs and alcohol and the, "you can't trust what they say" lable) so if they ever do talk, no one will believe them.

Keep this in mind, I know 3 other men who have admitted multiple anal surgeries for the same reason, as well as others who don't talk about it. I met them all in normal social situations, it wasn't a cluster of survivers.

Not once did any of these doctors and medical staff do a bloody thing and this 'evidence', that will be with them for the rest of their lives, still isn't enough for any justice to come their way.

Yeah, lynching is bad, so is hacking men up with an axe, but how much worse is it than all these doctors and health and justice professionals covering up what happens to these kids?

JUSTICE MUST BE DONE - FOR EVERYONES SAKE!

I read the article the other day and wondered the same thing. Why had they made a press release and yet hadn't named any names or given any specifics. You would think with something as important as our children and with so many people as they had stated , that they would have released at least the American names since it was supposedly American operation. Im wondering if it was just a prelude to this new deal where the government is gathering information from ISP's (Verizon, AT&T etc) and even PC security companies such as Symantec and this is just a smokescreen.

Originally posted by suzy ryan

To hear there is one more person who won't simply fob someone who may tell them something, too horrible to believe, has made the many insulting attacks flung my way here, more than worth it.

My apologies if you thought or think it was long over due to hear,because i was there reading when your very first posts came in which seems like years ago to me now,when i read it i had a hard time deciphering and understanding your posts and mainly you as a person,dont take offense thats just cyber land.

I refrained from comment and within approx 3 of your posts and reading the responses or ridicule you received from them,knew who i would rather sit with,and over time whilst stumbling over and finding one of your posts followed by comments of either ridicule or disbelief i`m struck with complete awe of your strength and noble cause to speak out on such a dark seedy subject one of which only someone affected directly or indirectly in a large way could continue with.Please keep that in mind Suzy when you feel your alone with this.

Which is what concerns me that other people not all,fail to recognize.

It is difficult to illustrate the worst of the corruption involved, without giving away details that could endanger others, so lacking those details makes it easy for pedophiles and their 'associates' to throw the 'insanity card' at any who speak out at all.

This is what frustrates me, that ATS is so full of educated, worldly people who should understand the problems of surviving the 'legal' system in an effort to find justice, yet won't even dip their orr in to remind those claiming, "No conviction, no proof so it didn't happen", that they're doing the paedophiles 'cover work' for them.

Please Suzy, because you know these facts which go far beyond your posts would allow, creates an air of disbelief because of missing facts.

If i came on ATS swearing black and blue i saw an alien or something and saying please people believe me i would get nearly the same negative responses you feel.Though some would believe me,it does`nt mean those who "dont" believe me work for the Gov to cover it up,though maybe one or two? might but who could really know.

Honestly Suzy and i believe the same God as you many people who may not agree with you are not doing so because they are involved my friend (sister).
Some people could have skeletons in their closet sure,maybe even one or two directly involved who knows but that would be my highest guess.

Oh, and always remember if God has called you this far, only you can chose to reject Him, He will never leave you.

I do and may fail Him often through my own stupidity,reject him? not possible sorry, not after my very first experience with Him,i think i still have the marks from His hand on the back of my head when He knocked some sense into me ,most wont or cant believe that,see,no evidence,only evidence would be how senseless i was before, but still not proof for others,thats the thing they have to get their own proof to fully believe.

This morning's session on ATS made me cry in dispair, now I'm all teary and smiling. Thank you so much.

You keep smiling thats an order.

If this subject you believe God has called you to speak up on because you have so much experience with it,its ok to rest and take a break from it, now and then, dont be consumed by it or it can consume you,smile more often and do things that are pleasant to you more often,evil in the world will not last and we cannot save it though we can tell people how they can save themselves.

Remember you have a friend over here always a u2u away when things get too much,and i hope as a friend i can help change to this,i`ll expect no less either,if you say no you dont want to,i might accuse you of being an extremist feminist

Kids need grands

Well I must slap myself, for yet again not making a post clear; the "someone" being fobbed off, that I refered to, was ALL the someones who finally find the courage/need to, "tell someone" and are further 'punished' with disbelief, riddicule etc.

Often when people do speak out, which can take 50 years for some, it's because they are at the end of their reserves and NEED help. It can be as simple as saying, "I believe you."

When a mature, capable, successfull person finally speaks out, more often than not, those around them decide they must of had some sort of a delusional breakdown, rather than believe their story.

Many survivers become driven to succeed, heavy workloads become a 'drug of distraction', yet others don't see them as suffering because of their success and outward togetherness, so miss the signs of a contemplated suicide, when a surviver finally quips, "Yeah, that happened to me".

Folks, Please, don't let these people tough it out like they do with work. Just imagine how long you could carry a load like that, alone, before you decided to pull the plug.

Why do you think the suicide rate around the world is so high? Too many unheard, unbelieved, riddiculed victims, who couldn't go on surviving anymore.

I gave up on seeking justice for myself ("Proper Channles" did more harm than good) but I'd like to see that turned around for others who don't have the loving support I do.

Raising awarness and getting the general public to stop thinking these stories are, "too far fetched to be believed" is a key step in getting the worst of the monsters convicted and sentanced.

Part of the problem in getting justice, is the often used and ment statement, "That's unbelievable!" Too many good, innocent people just don't want to believe such evils are possible. Saddly though, denial doesn't make it go away, but helps the evil go unchallanged and GROW.

I thank you for your gentle honesty and support gps777, as I'm sure other survivers reading your post also thank you in their hearts.