Child web porn; 1500 Known Paedophiles, still not charged?

Well this could be a 'live' conspiracy, going by the difficulty the net is giving me, trying to post this story...the address of the link became a random half sentance, as soon as I clicked to copy, then the address bar just vanished and now I'm being sent everywhere but back to this story...Anyway...

BlogRodent >> Justin Berry; google it and have a read.

It's about a young man who became a Federal witness after shutting down his child web porn site...lots of horrific stuff...but what I can't understand is why no one's cheering the arrest of the 1500 paedophiles he's identified, after nearly a year!

Could it be because they include Paediatricians, Child Counsellors, Children's Attorney, Teachers etc. ?

This (now) young man "kept everything" from his years of being a "child porn star", he was good with computers, the F.B.I. now have everything, he's still in hiding (whereabouts not even known to the justice department, that he can't trust) but his 1500 'customers', many of which he met, are all still out there!

Now the other sick bit of this story is that he identified the whereabouts of children and their abusers to the F.B.I, mid last year, and it took 50 days before anyone turned up to rescue them!!!

I have to say now, those who try to debunk, 'explain' or play down these stories, from now on, I will automaticly assume to be paedophile 'brothers' of other paedophiles.

If your choise is saving currently abused children or 'risking' upsetting grown men, who 'may' be innocent...well a child is not a grown man, with resourses and coping skills.

Edit to ask; Mods., someone, if you could please provide the link/s to this story I would be most greatfull. My P.C. seems to have decided this story is dead, or very much should be.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by suzy ryan]

Isn't anyone curious to find out if the doctor, teacher or counsellor they trust their child with, is one of the paedophiles who used Justin's 'services'?

Why isn't anyone demanding the charging and outing of these 1500 active paedophiles?

Is it just easier to ignor it, than risk changing your opinion of someone you like and trust?

I know the argument of taking time to build watertight cases but without alot of public and media attention during the wait, you can expect alot, if not most of them to escape conviction, as is the norm in these big sweeps.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by Riwka]

I wouldn't try to second guess the justice department on this case just yet. In my experience, the social status of any pedophile, or anyone else for that matter, who commits crimes against children carries no weight, at all. Cops, priests, MDs, teachers, you name it, they're all fair game, except, perhaps, the occasional young, really good-looking blonde.

gradyphilpot you forgot michael jackson.................

[edit on 29-3-2006 by the_sentinal]

Jackson was charged and tried twice and while it might have been his celebrity that made jurors give him the benefit of the doubt, I believe that it was the fact that the cases were not as air-tight as they probably should have been and the fact that some witnesses failed to testify, if memory serves.

The one thing that Jackson was not found with was child pornography, which would have sealed his fate regardless of whether or not he had sexual relations with children.

There is always the possibility that Jackson never actually crossed the line of having ever touched a minor, even though to most people that would defy logic, when they project their own libidos onto him, but weirdness comes in all flavors. I've heard of stranger things in my life than those who look and flirt, but never touch.

I have to say now, those who try to debunk, 'explain' or play down these stories, from now on, I will automaticly assume to be paedophile 'brothers' of other paedophiles.

Ok first off i do agree that this is a terrible stroy and it should be investigated as much as possible. The sick individuals involved should be tried and hopefully given very long sentences and be cut off from any contact with children. They should be publicly outed if found guilty and not given new identitys when released. It sickens me that these people get protected by goverment, i am speaking of cases in the UK here i don't know about America.

What i do disagree with is the quote above. By making that quote you basically stop anyone from disagreeing with you for fear of being accused of being one of these sick individuals. You are sealing the discussion so that no one could provide evidence to the contrary if there was some (which ok is doubtful).

I agree with you 100 percent about this issue but i dislike the statement you made for the reasons i provided. Will you now accuse me of being one of them because i have said something that maybe you dislike?


[edit on 29-3-2006 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Finally, I could get a link to work;
www.timesonline.co.uk...
though I found it sad just how many still trash this kid for speaking out.

In response to two of the last posters:

In my experience, and oh so many others, those involved in Organized Child Sex Rings, routinely escape being charged, let alone conviction.

What about the children left with their abusers for 50 days after Justin told the F.B.I. where to go to rescue them?
Wouldn't a Justice Dept. you could trust, have been kicking down doors that day?
Wouldn't one you can't trust, give their fellow conspirators time to destroy all evidence of any association?

This inspires many to tell their stories, or support others doing so, on the net, only to be assulted with demands of 'proof' and accussations of insanity etc.

Then when the 'proof' stories sneak out, they're used as an example of justice 'working' and 'proof' that those who can't get justice, must be lying.

I had to include the assumtion (I've fought against every time an insulting debunker gets on) for many reasons, but will share this; I know of those who use these, "let's be reasonable" type, 'play downs' to help both keep the general public from becoming actively aware of those 'most respected members of society', and teach other paedophiles how to silence and cover.

I also suspected (though want to be proved wrong) that more people would be upset by my honest declaration of my state of mind than support it, even though (because we seem to care more to ensure we never again see a 'Nipple at the Superbowl') 1500, KNOWN to the F.B.I, paedophiles are still out there... maybe even giving your child medical treatment, after leaving another paedophile coaching them after school, where yet another is getting too friendly with them.

It upsets me that when this scene plays out, as it too often does, and you try to get your childs teacher charged, they all collude with each other and the (paedophile) child sexual assult counsellor you've unwittingly employed, to blame your 'bad parenting' for your child 'making up' such a terrible, 'attention seeking', lie.

Balance on this issue is very important, but still the 'excuse makers' say the most, with the loudest voices, and so keep providing cover for each other.

It could be unreasonable to ask for an amnesty on excusses untill thousands of these monsters are locked up for life, but with the huge inbalance of justice on this issue, I'll still argue it isn't.

Lets not give them bail but get them straight into court to make their excusses there, before witnesses die, disapear and 'change their minds', as so often happens, and builds paedophile's cover further with more (knowingly false) claims of 'false accussations' to point to.

These people don't only conspire to access children, but to convince reasonable people that it is best to shut up and leave the problem to the professionals who are often their fellow (paedophile) conspirators.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by suzy ryan]

suzy ryan. My beliefs on this subject are far more extreme, including a mixture of life imprisonment, castration and varies other punishments.

My problem is still the statement i quoted earlier. By saying that anyone who protests that it isn't true or provides evidence that it isn't true is a peadophile is in my eyes wrong. That mentality could be applied to any subject and so prevent discussion. Doing it that way would mean there is only agreement instead of discussion. That is the only problem I had with your initial post.

If they are proven to be peadophiles (which seems likely here) then they should be named, shamed, imprisoned and hopefully castrated.

In my country (UK) they are often put in separate wings of prisons in case the other prisoners hurt them! I say throw them in with all the others and let them be beaten and have many other things done to them.

I would also like to put them into court faster but you have to be careful about rushing sentencing through as many innocent people have been imprisoned this way. I believe in justice and law (although they fail sometimes) rather than imprisonment on public opinion.

Hello all

I would like to give my toughts on this matter.

In 1982 the Police were informed on child abuses taking place on 'Casa Pia' in Lisboa, but nothing happened, nothing was done at the time, and in 1987 the case was closed without even going to trial, after all it was just poor children of no one's. And the names that were spoken at the time were of those who are above any doubt (high social personalities), so they say.

In 2002 the situation were, blown out by small newspaper, otherwise would have remain stealth.

There is currently a on going trial about pedophiles in Portugal, called 'Casa Pia", which started in 2002.

This case, as far as the public knows, began in the 70's in a government institution for poor and unprotected children called 'CASA PIA'. Children from that institution were raped countless times by several emplloyees, with the consent of the principal of the institution.
Children were rented or sold (told that they had runaway) to pedophile rings, national and international.

Many are accused:
- Children Doctor's
- TV personalities
- Politicians (from the party of the actual portuguese government)...not proved, and not accused . but their name keeps poping up in court by the victims.

- institution employees
- know portuguese football players
- many many others

3 years have gone by.... results.....none so far.

Some of the victims tried suicide because they could not stand being in the trial with the abusers.

The politicians and other influent people have managed to escape, even the public knowing that some of them made plastic surgery to remove any kind of skin signals that could give them away by testimony of the abuse children.

There is evidence now that some of them tried to pay large amounts of money to the victims to not say their name.


What i mean is if your are powerfull enough you can escape from this no matter what. People in portugal thinks, and they are probably right, that the only one to be accused will be just one employee who was a driver of the children bus for the instituion. He's is poor, uneducated and he has admited the crimes, so is the easy target.

I say one thing only! There is no justice for the unprotected children! It's a shame for democracy.

So you see, to arrest or accuse those 1500 pedo's depends on who they are, or who their friends are.

Crustas

Imaginary Reality, yes normaly I would agree with you. All the reasons you give ran through my head as I typed it and re-typed it after removing it, but at this time, for key reasons beyond what I've explained, I couldn't not.

Here's one aspect I'd love those who innocently play down the problem, to ponder; how many children have been dis-believed by all including their parents, because they were examined for evidence by a paedophile paediatrician, who couldn't (wouldn't) find any?

Multiply that by all those paedophiles who work in child health/welfare, along with paedophile police and judges, and you can understand why convictions/just sentances of "important people" are so rare.

Just read the thread and I have to put my .02 in.

As long as you have concrete proof of this, they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. By concrete I mean records of paying for access to a website, server records of access, pictures on their personal computer, something that directly ties them into the crime. Heresay is NOT concrete, anybody can say "Joe Blow looks at child porn, arrest him" but that doesnt mean its true.

This is the type of allegation that can ruin a persons life if it is not true so every precaution must be taken to ensure false allegations are found to be false, and true allegations found to be true.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by Striker8441]

Thank you so much for your post Crustas.

This is what I'm hoping people will share, take in and understand.

Untill most can accept that people they respect, love and admire, are involved at the top, we'll never develope the heros needed to pursue these cases to a just end.

Of Justin Berry's 1500, if 1490 were convicted but the ten that weren't were the most powerfull, the result wouldn't be good enough, though I'd still be surprized if as many as ten are convicted and justly sentanced.

Striker, this is what gets me with this case, he kept everything from payments to emails, on the computer that he gave to the F.B.I and they've found the 1500 through those records.

It should have just been a matter of, round them up and lock 'em up 'till a very speedy trial.

But still folk would rather talk about 'the dangers of false accussations' than scream blue murder over children left with their abusers for 50 days after he told the F.B.I. where they could be rescued from.

I'm spending more time fighting back an angry rant than writing...so I'll retire for now.

I have heard of this case, especially when it first broke. I'm not having much luck finding anything new about the case, but this does come from the link you provided.

In late July, Justin met the FBI and prosecutors. He identified children who he believed were in the hands of adult predators. He listed the marketers, credit card processors and others who supported webcam child pornography. He also described the documentary evidence he had retained on his hard drives: financial information, conversation transcripts with his members, and other records.

In September prosecutors told Justin’s lawyer that his client would be granted immunity. Now 19, Justin became a federal witness.

Five days later Justin’s business partner was arrested, and FBI agents and prosecutors have since focused on numerous other potential offenders. Hundreds of thousands of computer files, including e-mail containing a vast array of illegal images distributed among adults, have been seized.

www.timesonline.co.uk

With the vast amount of information provided to the FBI, it seems likely that the investigation is ongoing and will be for quite some time. What I don't understand is why you are making the assumptions that people are not being prosecuted because they are well-connected, rich, or famous. You need some kind of evidence for such, not just a lack of information regarding arrests. There may have been many arrests that have not been reported in national media or authorities may be still building cases and plan a mass operation. Surely, there are very many jurisdictions involved in this case.

I understand your outrage at the crimes, but I just don't see where you have enough information to be making the kinds of claims that you are making regarding law enforcement.

You might also try to convince Jeffrey Jones that high profile folks skate when it comes to crimes against children.

www.thesmokinggun.com...

www.thesmokinggun.com...

en.wikipedia.org...

Dateline NBC and catching pedophiles

One of those arrested in the sting was a sixth-grade teacher at a Cincinnati school, while another was a recently convicted sex offender from Greene County, Ohio.

Not BIG DOGS, but the gov *is* doing some things right.

JDub

Grady, in the scene I described to explain why so many high profile people escape charges, I used the occupations of the known offenders as stated in the blog mentioned in my first post and the interview on Oprah.

I also personally know some high profile paedophiles but, the law protects them, from my naming them because I can't afford to prove it in a game of law, and, not being a cat, I don't want to risk anymore attempts on my life.

So I watch and warn and support those who get attacked and ridiculed for speaking out because not being believed often does more harm than the rapes.

Off the top of my head I can recall a few of these big sweeps being announced but all seem to end as injustly as the case mentioned in Portugal or just disapear from the public's care and attention.

Also there is the fact of a multi-billion dollar International Child Sex Slave Trade that only a fool would expect to exist without powerfull people at the helm.

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Striker, this is what gets me with this case, he kept everything from payments to emails, on the computer that he gave to the F.B.I and they've found the 1500 through those records.

It should have just been a matter of, round them up and lock 'em up 'till a very speedy trial.

But still folk would rather talk about 'the dangers of false accussations' than scream blue murder over children left with their abusers for 50 days after he told the F.B.I. where they could be rescued from.

I'm spending more time fighting back an angry rant than writing...so I'll retire for now.

In that case, round em up and throw away the key and also put em in general population. I know for a fact that they just "love" child molestors and their type. (I work in a county jail)

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Off the top of my head I can recall a few of these big sweeps being announced but all seem to end as injustly as the case mentioned in Portugal or just disapear from the public's care and attention.

The Casa Pia case is still on trial, it has not ended.

But obviously the real responsibles will stay hidden or will find a way of not seeing his/hers names appear.

The Casa Pia case is different from Justin's case because the children of the Casa Pia are poor children, some orphans, others just do not have any possibility of having a good life if they do not get a good education, and that was what they should get at Casa Pia, because they have very good teachers.

So the rich started changing the way that the institution was run, and today a good percentage of the Casa Pia students are from rich families.

In Justin's case it was himself who started it, and that shows that this story should be known everywhere so the parents and the children know that what starts as a joke may end in a ugly way.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by suzy ryan
Off the top of my head I can recall a few of these big sweeps being announced but all seem to end as injustly as the case mentioned in Portugal or just disapear from the public's care and attention.

The Casa Pia case is still on trial, it has not ended.

But obviously the real responsibles will stay hidden or will find a way of not seeing his/hers names appear.

Sorry, I wasn't clear.

Alot of these cases of institutionalized child sex rings never really "end" but end up forgotten by the public before resultant great injustices become widely known.

Dragging out and delaying trials untill they become 'old news', is one of the many tactics used to let important names implicated, slip from public consciousness.

I did agree with you suzy on most points here.

For example in the UK we often hear of teachers who have been accused of horrible things and they often get thrown to the wolves. But if someone powerful gets accused they seem to simply step back and disappear into the darkness as it were.

Maybe the FBI is taking so long because they have so much to go through as someone else said. Maybe they are trying to get all evidence against an individual so there is NO wiggle room.

I am also annoyed with the fact that the one with the website is going to get away with it by turning federal witness! I mean yes you will could argue that you are getting more of them by letting him go but i think they should charge him as well once it's all done.

In the end we will have to wait a while to see what comes of all this. If in the next few years there is still nothing being said then you Americans will need ot ask for an inquiry or whatever it is you have to do in your country to get it sorted. They can't get away with it that's for sure.