Polish Troops Find New French Missiles in Iraq

My, my.......and to say that France "vetoed" action....

"Polish Troops Find New French Missiles in Iraq"
Link:
reuters.com...

Excerpt:
"But Iraq managed to circumvent the arms trade ban in the 1990s through shadowy deals with various arms traders and kept its military equipment functioning.

"NO MILITARY EXPORTS"

"Since July 1990, France has not authorized a single shipment of military equipment to Iraq," a French Foreign Ministry spokeswoman told Reuters. Similar accusations surfaced in the U.S. media in April, she said.

In 1980-81, 13 Roland-1 missile systems were shipped to Iraq and from 1983 to 1986, 100 Roland-2 missile systems. The Roland-3 has never been exported to Iraq, she said.

"It is not credible to say that the Roland missiles found a few days ago were produced in 2003 and delivered just before the Anglo-American intervention," the spokeswoman said. "Let's be absolutely clear about this: no military exports to Iraq were licensed after July 1990.""


Ah....I see.....the missile were a "product of time travel"?
Key word: licensed
Note they don't deny doing it, they just deny doing it "officially"......
Also doesn't cover "a third party entity" serving as a middleman.....France, of course knows this, but this allows them to state for the record.....they didn't authorize any, not one, military shipment to Iraq since 1990.

This must also be a "Black-Ops" project of the CIA....not good...

I think more 'dirt' will be uncovered before the issue of Iraq is finished...
Thoughts and comments?

regards
seekerof

I would agree... most likely Black Ops. Since the last US Black Ops team went in and got wiped out by the Marines, they probably figured that they needed someone who could get in and out without getting caught.

Makes you wonder what contacts the CIA has with the Poles now...

Interesting note here also: the video from Fox news and in several frames, the date, "2003" is clearly stenciled on the missile shipping/storage tubes....

regards
seekerof

Originally posted by Seekerof
Interesting note here also: the video from Fox news and in several frames, the date, "2003" is clearly stenciled on the missile shipping/storage tubes....

regards
seekerof

Post us a pic?

And keep your jeans up.. hairy bottom you got there..



Oh, and btw.. you did know that the US MILITARY ALSO USES ROLAND MISSILES?

www.designation-systems.net...

Yeppers, sure did Fulcrum...hence the comment of "Black Ops"........
I hate the freakin' Chirac but I have to look at this from multiple aspects....


regards
seekerof

Stupid French! Let's get rid of em' I never really liked them, not even the way they kiss, we can do without them, we'll just split the territory between all the major powers in the world 'kay?

Man,

Its politics..

Nothing more, nothing less..

So how about those pics?

Originally posted by eagle
Stupid French! Let's get rid of em' I never really liked them, not even the way they kiss, we can do without them, we'll just split the territory between all the major powers in the world 'kay?

Couple of things:

1) US MILITARY ITSELF USES THESE MISSILES.. Boeing builds them.

2) France is a major power.

3) They will take the statue of liberty back if you # with them..

The French would do this no doubt in my mind.

They don't like anyone and nobody likes them. Oh I know all the socialists and lefties pretend to love them but they know they can't trust them either.

I hope next summer there is twice as hot as it was this year.

*15,15*
I must disagree eagle.
French kissing was and still is a very, very, VERY important contribution to society...

Back on topic:
The French, Russians, and Iraquis have been plotting against us (United States) for the past decade!!
They need to get over WWII and accept the fact we saved their @$$es and don't care anymore.

How did the Polish troops find them anyways?
You must be right about CIA involvement...
1000 Polish troops findind missles 100,000 Americans could not.
Eagle, don't sound too fascist in your comments.

- Tass *40*

Originally posted by eagle
Stupid French! Let's get rid of em' I never really liked them, not even the way they kiss, we can do without them, we'll just split the territory between all the major powers in the world 'kay?

I'm sure your girlfriend ( if you have one ) would like the way I kiss

[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Salem]

Originally posted by THENEO
The French would do this no doubt in my mind.

No, a lot of frenchs came here this summer and they was with bush, they hate Chirac more than bush himself. They are very thankful toward US for WW2.

They don't like anyone and nobody likes them.

Glad to see that you know them all. Do I feel a little hate against french canadians here too ? How bad

I hope next summer there is twice as hot as it was this year.

Well I'm not French, I don't care what they do but... That's a racist statement it's like if some one would say : I wish there would be twice more Torontians who would die from sars next year. Pretty cool isn't it ?

The worst is that I heard someone who said this last summer at kingston.

[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Salem]

This Topic need opposition so here I come, I'm not Fran�ais, but It's still beter than a French bashing tread without any opposition ?

Seekeroff,

Your arguments against France is that they sold missiles to Iraq when your governement in the past has sold chemical weapons ( wich is like pretty worse ). You also talk about vetoes when your country has vetoed more UN resolution than any other countries in the world.

www.ottawamuslim.net...

Tale a look at the last paragraph ;

Note: During the eighties, the UN was concerned with Saddam Hussein's use of chemcal weapons. On 3/21/1986, the Security Council President, "speaking on behalf of the Security Council," stated that the Council members were "profoundly concerned by the unanimous conclusion of the specialists that chemical weapons on many occasions have been used by Iraqi forces against Iranian troops...[and] the members of the Council strongly condemn this continued use of chemical weapons in clear violation of the Geneva Protocol of 1925 which prohibits the use in war of chemical weapons" (S/17911 and Add. 1, 21 March 1986).

The United States voted AGAINST the issuance of this statement.

Neo : They don't like anyone and nobody likes them.

Yes Shirak is a dumbass, but the Frenchs in general are fine. Nans is more appreciated and loved than a lot of members here, and she's French. They have elected a stupid president and they pay for it. Nothing more, nothing less.

In fact, besides north america, they are not hated any where else. Not like us, O-Mighty-Canadians, since the airborne accident in somalia. ( 1995 )

As for the France plan to destroy USA, please give me a break, their population wouldn't want it any way.

PS : Hey seek your new avatar rocks !

[Edited on 4-10-2003 by Salem]

Have you ever wondered why Monsieur Saddam was quite often seen wearing a beret, that is, an item of apparel well identified to the national dress of who else but the FRENCH!!!

Makes you think, doesn't it?.........................

Do none of you French-bashers realise that their government does not represent everyone in France? You can't judge the French in general by Chirac's actions, just as the rest of the world can't judge Americans by the actions of your current criminal administration.

come on less of the french dissing they aint that bad...

france is a great country.. ive been a few times... sure the french aint the easyest people to talk to but they aint the worst...

id be supprised if france did sell weapons to iraq.. maybe they traded them for oil... or maybe its a set up!!

A conversation about developments in Iraq turns into an argument about racism and ethnic bashing..
You all respond with your little arguments and other distractions in exactly the way those in power have programmed you to respond.
While you argue they deflower your daughters.

Well... I think that they found it was just luck...
I think the french had more deals with Iraq (remember, they sold Saddam the techlology to build the nuclear reactor), the Blackops weren't needed here.

Doesn't it look like Poland is becoming a superpower? Is there a chance that Aleksander Kwasniewski will become the General Secretary of UN?
A fun change actually...

This just in people....in a very strange twist of fate....:
"Poland: French Missile Report Was Wrong"
Link:
www.nytimes.com...
(NOTE: will require a password)

Thus, here's the article: as reported by NYT.com:
"Poland: French Missile Report Was Wrong By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 12:43 p.m. ET

WARSAW, Poland (AP) -- After a protest from French President Jacques Chirac, Poland said Saturday it had been mistaken in reporting that its troops found new French-made anti-aircraft misiles in central Iraq.

Chirac swiftly denied selling Iraq weapons in violation of the U.N. weapons embargo against Saddam Hussein's regime. The claims, he said, ``are as false today as they were yesterday.''

An aide to the Polish prime minister said an initial report that the Roland missiles found by Polish troops days ago were produced in 2003 was incorrect. France said it stopped producing any type of Roland missile in 1993.

Prime Minister Leszek Miller met with Chirac twice to explain the mistake, said the aide, Tadeusz Iwinski. The two leaders were in Rome on Saturday for a European Union summit.

``There can be no 2003 missiles since these missiles have not been made for 15 years,'' Chirac told reporters in Rome. ``Polish soldiers confused things. I told ... Miller so frankly -- friendly but firmly.''

``It was wrongly said that the rockets were produced in that year,'' Iwinski said by telephone from the summit. ``The matter is cleared up now. President Chirac has accepted Prime Minister Leszek Miller's explanation.''

The Polish defense minister, Jerzy Szmajdzinski, ``expressed his regrets'' for the mistake, a ministry statement said.

The report first came in a statement by a ministry spokesman to Polish state television that the troops uncovered French-made Roland missiles in the town of Hilla, in the zone of central Iraq where the Poles lead a peacekeeping force. A ministry statement said the missiles were destroyed on Wednesday.

Since Saddam's fall in April, U.S. troops and journalists have seen Roland missiles at some weapons sites. France long had close ties to Iraq that included lucrative weapons deals.

Paris supplied arms, in exchange for oil, during the eight-year Iran-Iraq war. The French Foreign Ministry statement Saturday said that Roland 1 missiles and their launchers were exported to Iraq in 1980-81, whole Roland 2 missiles were exported for three years, from 1983 to 1986. France stopped making Roland 2s in 1988 and Roland 3s in 1993, it said.

The French ministry emphasized that France has not authorized the sale of weapons, or even spare parts, to Iraq since after July 1990. The United Nations imposed sanctions on weapons sales to Iraq after Saddam Hussein's 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

The Polish Defense Ministry said the Roland missiles were among about a dozen missiles uncovered near Hilla on Tuesday, including Soviet-made Malutka, French Hot and French-German Milan missiles. The Roland missilesa re about 25 feet long, radar-guided and launched from the back of a truck.

The U.S. military found 35 Roland missiles when it captured Baghdad International Airport in April. Roland missiles also were found when Australian troops captured an airfield in western Iraq.

The Web site GlobalSecurity.org says the Roland weapon system is intended for anti-aircraft defense of armored and mechanized the units to counter aircraft flying to nearly at 1 1/2 times the speed of sound or hovering helicopters.

The United States stopped producing the Roland-type weapon in 1981."


Note this Fulcrum/John..in bold please.

With this development...what does this indicate?
1) a cover up of a 'supposed' "Black-Ops"?
2) this is a "Polish joke?"
3) France could have possibly threatened Poland's EU membership
4) indications of some back peddling here, and some shady backroom deals with the French and Polish?
5) or, No amount of backroom 'dancing' can cover up the fact that the missiles are there - and they should not be there if France was in compliance with the UN embargoes!?

Interestingly wnough, further looking into this situation revealed that this is the second occurrence of these particular missiles showing up or being found in Iraq:

As reported in April 21, 2003,
"Conservatives on Capitol Hill are already fuming at new evidence of possible French perfidy

NEWSWEEK April 21 issue � The French government insists that it has strictly enforced a tight embargo imposed on Saddam Hussein�s regime by the United Nations in 1990. But Saddam never lost his taste for French weapons or luxury goods. And evidence found by U.S. troops on the ground in Iraq suggests that�despite U.N. sanctions�the dictator continued to receive an abundant supply of both until very recently.

LT. GREG HOLMES, a tactical intelligence officer with the Third Infantry Division, told NEWSWEEK that U.S. forces discovered 51 Roland-2 missiles, made by a partnership of French and German arms manufacturers, in two military compounds at Baghdad International Airport. One of the missiles he examined was labeled 05-11 KND 2002, which he took to mean that the missile was manufactured last year. The charred remains of a more modern Roland-3 launcher was found just down the road from the arms cache. According to a mortar specialist with the same unit, radios used by many Iraqi military trucks brandished MADE IN FRANCE labels and looked brand new. RPG night sights stamped with the number 2002 and French labels also turned up. And a new Nissan pickup truck driven by a surrendering Iraqi officer was manufactured in France as well."

Also another informative article:
"Saddam has upgraded conventional military despite sanctions"
Link:
216.26.163.62...

Excerpt:
"Other weapons displayed at the parade were the Tariq surface-to-surface missile. Western monitors said none of the missiles had a range of more than 150 kilometers. But Iraqi opposition sources said the Tariq is similar to the banned Hussein missile, which has a range of 600 kilometers and struck Israeli cities during the Gulf war.

The missiles were accompanied by a chemical weapons unit.

The parade also displayed new surface-to-air missiles produced by France and Russia, the INC said. These included SA-8, SA-9 and the French Roland surface-to-air missile. The Roland missiles were first delivered in Iraq in 1981.

Iraq has been upgrading its air defense systems since 1997 with help from Russia, Syria and the Ukraine, the INC said.

In Washington, Clinton administration officials played down Iraq's conventional might. They said there is little evidence that most Iraqi tanks can do more than be led down the streets of Baghdad. The officials pointed to what they termed Iraq's lack of air power to support any tank or infantry offensive......"

And as reported on NewsMax.com in April 23, 2003:
"'Chirac Was Wrong' on Iraq, Frantic French Fret"
Link:
www.newsmax.com.../4/23/125315


Your guess is as good as mine people....something diffently "stinks" here.....



regards
seekerof

[Edited on 9-10-2003 by Creepy]