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Why the US needs Oil and does not Need Foreign Oil

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posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 05:50 PM
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This thread will carry the theme of "why we cannot transist at this time to a non-oil-based economy, and what we need to do about it". This thread is real politics, real issues, not fanciful imaginings of the dreamer.

"Time is a stringent limitation. The US has relatively few years to convert its transportation system to another energy source. But do we have the economic push to make the conversion? Major fuel substitution for transportation will begin in the US only when the substitution becomes economically advantageous. Once found, oil can be produced cheaply. We will continue to use already discovered natural oil because it is cheapest. As this is depleted the US will buy more and more imported oil, a move loaded with economic, political and military risks. [Emphasis added] Only as these risks are translated into costs will the price of oil in the US rise enough to provide the economic push. The comprehensive replacement of petroleum for transportation in the US and possibly the world just will not be accomplished in time to permit an orderly transition to non-petroluem fuels. Without an orderly replacement of petroleum fuels for transportation, US society will slide downhill, not abruptly perhaps, but definately. [Emphasis added] Conservation merely delays the agony slightly. This same problem is faced in the other specialized applications of natural oil.
"Oil from secondary sources may provide additional time to make the required adjustment [Emphasis added] (Smith, 1982). Only two secondary sources actually yield oil at prices nearly competitive with petroleum - oil shale and tar sands (Smith, 1982)." (Chong and Smith, 1984, pp 4-5).

These two paragraphs sum-up our current situation. Can we move from oil-based economies to non-oil-based economies? Yes. Can we do so economically? Not at this time.

Thus, to buy time, to ease economic hardship and to finish a transition from an oil economy to an alternative energy economy, we must do one thing, mine oil shale and tar sands.

How much Oil is there in the United States?

We are all aware that the Middle East has approximately 500 billion barrels of recoverable oil.

Their oil is in saturated Sediments, so we can drill it.

Our oil is in shale and sand, so we must mine it, it is located in Northern Utah, Western Colorado, and Southern Whyoming.

How much oil is in the United States?

1.5 to 1.8 Trillion Barrels of Oil (Page 11 of 90)

All are economically recoverable, but to a price a bit above our current price for foreign oil. Thus, foreign oil is chosen as the economical prospect.

But this brings us political and military problems (war in Iraq).

The reason we do not currently mine oil shale is also because of resistance by environmental interest groups.

But for the most part, it is the lack of understanding of just how much oil the United States has.

The estimates are 5 times the amount of estimated oil recoverable in Saudi Arabia.

This is outrageous, that we have so much oil, but no will to recover it. Especially when we need the oil. We cannot tomorrow, or the next day, or in 10 years, switch from an oil economy to a non-oil-based economy. There is simply too many power-plants, too many cars, too many trains, too much of our infrastructure and that of the entire world, that relies on oil.

Whether we like it or not, oil is our burden for the fore-seeable future.

We need oil, and we can mine our own, and we can in the process transist from an oil-based economy to a non-oil-based economy. We can do this without wars in the middle east...but we need to remove the restrictions which bind our ability to access domestic oil.

Sources:

Mechanics of Oil Shale, Chong, Ken P. and Smith, John Ward, 1984: Elsevier Applied Science Publishers (Buy it at Barnes and Noble)

Smith, J. W. (1982). Synfuels: oil shale and tar sands, in: Perspectives on Energy, 3rd edn, eds L. C. Ruedisili and M. W. Firebaugh, Oxford University Press, New York, pp. 225-49

Oil Shale Developments and Prospects in the United States Prospects and Policy Issues




posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 06:33 PM
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What about all the oil flowing from Canada?In northwest Canada is estimated there is more oil than Saudie Arabia.



posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 06:35 PM
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You better post some Geologic Publications on that estimate because I've heard the estimate at about 250 million barrels. Which is nothing for the US but good revenue for Canada.



posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 06:56 PM
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How much oil is in the oil sands?

There are an estimated 1.7 trillion barrels of oil in Alberta oil sands deposits, which is 1/3 of the world's known oil reserves. Of this approximately 7-8% can be accessed by surface mining. Oil sands mines provided approximately 20% of Canada's oil needs in 1993.


www.osern.rr.ualberta.ca...

I guess I don't quite understand how much this is or how long it will last



posted on Jan, 24 2006 @ 07:08 PM
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They don't give a citation of their source, which means it could be rediculous, if not great, all the more proof there is no "Peak Oil" but this isn't evidence comparable to the Rand Corp. evidence presented about US Oil Shale.

It's not that I don't want Canada to have so much oil, but that when you're going to be arguing with someone else that believes in Peak Oil, you're going to need bigger guns (a Geologic Published Journal on the matter).



posted on Jan, 27 2006 @ 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by Stratrf_Rus
They don't give a citation of their source, which means it could be rediculous, if not great, all the more proof there is no "Peak Oil" but this isn't evidence comparable to the Rand Corp. evidence presented about US Oil Shale.

It's not that I don't want Canada to have so much oil, but that when you're going to be arguing with someone else that believes in Peak Oil, you're going to need bigger guns (a Geologic Published Journal on the matter).


there may not be peak oil, but there's only a certain amount of carbon you can spew into the atmosphere

also, i'm a firm believer in stewardship and sustainablility. since oil is not a sustainable fuel source, we're going to need to abandon it. it's also horribly polluting, so we need to move to cleaner methods of energy production.



posted on Jan, 31 2006 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by colsislander

How much oil is in the oil sands?

There are an estimated 1.7 trillion barrels of oil in Alberta oil sands deposits, which is 1/3 of the world's known oil reserves. Of this approximately 7-8% can be accessed by surface mining. Oil sands mines provided approximately 20% of Canada's oil needs in 1993.


www.osern.rr.ualberta.ca...

I guess I don't quite understand how much this is or how long it will last


the USA gets quite a bit of Albian crude. where i work were going to be up to 10k barrels a day by the end of the year.

were not running out of oil were just at the next level of cost



posted on Feb, 21 2006 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
there may not be peak oil, but there's only a certain amount of carbon you can spew into the atmosphere


And if our goverments used the taxes they put on the oil for enforcing cleaner refining we could cut that down to almost nothing imo. If the governments of the world were willing to invest ( or nationalise) in these industries as they do in their food production sectors i imagine prices will go down dramatically. That being said that wont be allowed by the current powers running the IPE in London and the NYMEX in NY.


also, i'm a firm believer in stewardship and sustainablility. since oil is not a sustainable fuel source, we're going to need to abandon it. it's also horribly polluting, so we need to move to cleaner methods of energy production.


Oil is as good as sustainable even if we have far better alternatives that we should have been using for decades by now. Well look into "free" energy principles if you like on these threads or go to Beardens site for more info.


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Anyways.

Stellar



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