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I said this
Therefore (from Jane's)
Typhoons max speed is M=2.0 compared to Rafales M=1.8
Typhoons normal ext load is 14,300lb compared to Rafale's 13,000lb.
Typhoon takes off in 985ft compared with Rafales 1,315ft.
I could go on but there are other comparisons I would like to make but cannot where manufacturers data is missing, for instance Dassault fails to include a 'time to height' figure in its data while the Typhoon is missing a 'max turn rate' in its own figures here, there are other examples.
However using this data (not projected future data for ONE of them as you like to do) the thrust to weight ratio is nowhere near the same.
The weights for the Rafale vary by variant but the middle figure is for the Rafale B at 23,038lb with a normal take off load of 13,000lb this gives it a weight of 36,038lb with a thrust of 21,900lb dry and 32,800lb reheat.
Typhoon weighs 24,500lb, plus a normal load of 14,300lb (more than Rafale notice!) giving a total of 38,800lb with a thrust of 26,890lb dry and 40,500lb reheat. Thus at the highest figures the Typhoon has a thrust excess over the Rafale of almost 8,000lb whilst weighing just 2,600lb more (including a greater payload!)
These are actual figures, not projections. You will of course refer to Rafale upgrades but do you imagine the Typhoon will not be also?
One other interesting aside, and this is taken yet again straight from Jane's, is that it gives the Rafale an AoA of 30 degrees, but also comments that the Typhoon "has demonstrated a 40 degree AoA as acheived by the Grumman X-29".
Originally posted by echoblade
Waynos I'm not sure what a "normal load" is ? If we talk about max weight the Rafale is given for 54,000 lbs and the Typhoon 51,809 lbs... From their official websites. It's quite funny to see how they give different details, making comparisons actually difficult.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
Actually this aggressive compararisons of the EF-2000 and the Rafale are quite...aggressive!!
chill out ppl!
btw I read a good article somewhere on a LCA-Fc-1 comparision..
forgot where its was though