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Topic started on 9-12-2005 @ 11:22 AM by soficrow

Public health officials will have sweeping new powers under legislation tabled yesterday in Manitoba.
The proposed new laws say people can be jailed, and people and corporations can be fined up to $100,000 for non-compliance with emergency health measures. People suspected of exposure to a contagious disease can be detained up to 72 hours; people whose disease might threaten public health can be quarantined; people can be forced to get medical treatment or vaccinations. Authorities can ban public gatherings, and close public or private places or appropriate them for use as quarantine centers. The legislation does not specify the diseases that can trigger orders for detention or quarantine. Legislators will debate the bill for passage in March, 2006.

Note: This is a breaking story, and the only online coverage at present requires a paid subscription. Updates and links will be posted as they come available. The bill is online at: web2.gov.mb.ca...

Jail, stiff fines to fight disease

In the event of a health emergency, Manitobans could be detained in jail or face fines of up to $100,000 under tough new amendments proposed to the Public Health Act,

Health Minister Tim Sale introduced more than a dozen revisions to the act yesterday, letting the province levy stiffer fines and impose tougher quarantine measures to fight the spread of epidemics like SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome).

The existing public health act, last amended in 2002 to prepare for possible bioterrorist attacks, already lets the province quarantine individuals, force them to undergo medical treatment, or be immunized. This new bill adds powers such as preventing public gatherings to try and contain the spread of an illness.

Kettner said an important improvement is that the legislation no longer specifies the diseases which can trigger orders for detention or quarantine, to ensure emerging or as-yet-unknown diseases aren't omitted. (Joel Kettner is Manitoba's Chief Medical Officer of Health.)

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Public health officials get new powers

Manitoba practically rewrote its public health laws in legislation tabled yesterday. ...the draft legislation distinguishes between ordinary and extraordinary circumstances in dealing with epidemics. ...Under the category of extraordinary circumstances, the chief provincial public health officer can temporarily detain individuals without court orders.

The draft law says people who refuse to provide their names, addresses or identification can be held for up to 72 hours for medical monitoring - if they are suspected of exposure to a highly contagious agent. ...Likewise, people who refuse to submit to decontamination may also be held for up to 72 hours.

With the specific consent of the health minister, the chief public health officer also has a kit of additional powers to use in extraordinary cases, including:
* halt or ban public gatherings to prevent the spread of a communicable disease.
* close a public place or private premise.
* turn public and private buildings into quarantine centres.

...the spread of the most deadly new diseases in the world are from animals to humans, (so) veterinarians would be required to notify public health officials of any animal diseases that threaten public health.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Quarantine legislation is the new sign of the times. It is odd that nobody even mentions H5N1 bird flu here. But there are hundreds, maybe thousands of new diseases that spread from animals to humans; many are mutating into new and deadly forms. The upside is: If the legislators are tabling this quarantine bill until March, a major pandemic probably is not expected before then.

But ya gotta feel for these guys. The only alternative measures were international: world wide animal quarantines in the agricultural sector and huge environmental clean-ups, funded by developed nations - plus major restrictive environmental regulations. It didn't happen, because even if taxpayers footed the bill, international corporate profits would have fallen big time. And that just was not on the global agenda.

It all is a matter of international corporate politics: International animal quarantine is a trade issue. So is dealiing with the environmental contaminations that help create new disease mutations. Little Manitoba province had no control. Besides, it's probably too late for environmental clean-ups and animal quarantines anyway.

So they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.

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reply posted on 9-12-2005 @ 11:52 AM by Umbrax

So they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.

Things need to radically change. We are self destructing and we need to be proactive when it comes to prevention.

Life started with microorganisms and it will end with microorganisms.

reply posted on 9-12-2005 @ 03:59 PM by CyberKat

First of all, the idea that the consequenses for non-compliance with quarantine and/or forced medical treatment and vaccinnes is a jail sentence or a large fine, seems awfully contradictory to what they say they are trying to accomplish.

Put a person suspected of having a deadly disease in a crowded jail, well what would that accomplish. It's about the exact opposite from a quarantine. And what will a fine accomplish if they are truly worried about the spread of disease.

So they're gonna quarantine the people [..............] It's the corporate solution.

It sounds more to me like a fear of the disease of greed by international corporations. They don't appear to be terribly concerned about the health of the citizens, more as if they are concerned about the health of their stocks and net worth.

Also, it sounds quite in line with the other articles mentioned in this thread, some of which I have already read:

CDC's Proposed Quarantine Rules - This sounds a lot like Bush's proposal to use the military to combat "Avain Flu". IOW, it sounds like one more way to push us further and further into a police state. Once an area is quarantened, it is also occupied by the military. Then, when people are quarantined, it leads right into one of the other articles which I read a week or so ago, but is also referenced here:

Quarantine: A Standard Depopulation Strategy - Just like this article states, which makes a lot of sense - sick sense, but sense all the same. Quaranine a portion of the population, don't let them leave to get food, water, medicine, etc and don't bring in any either, well.......seems to me like all the counties are in on it.

There has been so much written in articles, and told on the news about the Katrina situation, but it hasn't yet, at least as far as I have read/watched been linked in a direct way to the rest. However, I don't see any difference. Race issues aside, it sure sounds like the impovershed were the ones told every day that help was on the way, etc.... but as each day passed with no help, more and more of the poverty sticken perished - which sounds very much like Sudan, Germany, etc... Even now, to the best of my knowledge, New Orleans is still occupied by the military (I could be wrong on this, I'm not completely up to date on it right now).

Anyway, the whole thing is absolutely horrible. And if it's true that all of this is being run, and deliberately so, by the sound of it, by the International Corporations, then it isn't even one of two countries responsible. It is everywhere and anywhere.

Perhaps this is the true New World Order. Run by International Corporations - could it be that simple and that horrible?

reply posted on 9-12-2005 @ 06:49 PM by hands

In this connected age useless .

The UK Dep of Health predict that once a pandemic status is declared a virus will be in the UK within a month - and depending on where it breaks out - perhaps faster. Once it is in the UK - it will take 2-3 weeks to go up and down the country.

How are they going to implement quarantines? One person with normal influenza typically infects just under 2 people. If these two people are in an airport or bus station or subway / tube.... - they are talking about closing down access and exit to whole cities as soon as possible.... Usual flu is infective a day before the onset of symptoms to up to 3 weeks afterwards. BUT can be asymptomatic. By the time an individual is showing symptoms of infection - the infection is already out into the wild. If they do manage to shut down the exits of the particular community - how can TPTB guarantee that no one who is carrying the virus is already somewhere else?

Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted....

reply posted on 10-12-2005 @ 07:32 AM by soficrow

UPDATE

Province beefs up Health Act powers

Unlike most nations, Canada has comprehensive testing protocols for bird flu and routinely tests non-symptomatic birds.

Bird flu viruses turn up again in Canada

Ken Falk, President of Fraser Valley Duck and Goose Ltd., lost 140,000 birds in the outbreak of a bird flu in Canada's western province of British Columbia in 2004. Now he is bracing for another possible hit to his family-owned business. ...
Falk's farm remains under quarantine a day after one of his 60,000 ducks tested positive for the H5 strain of bird flu.

..."Waterfowl are known to harbor influenza viruses of various subtypes. This is not surprising that we find this in ducks. When you look for it, then you find it," said Falk, who has 55 employees on the farm.

In another development, wild birds in the central province of Manitoba have tested positive for a low-pathogenic subtype of the H5N1 avian flu virus. However, the strains were from the family of North American H5N1 viruses, not the forms circulating in Southeast Asia.

"I want to emphasize that the H5N1 subtype detected in Manitoba is completely distinct from the strain currently present in Asia," said Brian Evans, CFIA's Chief Veterinary Officer, on Saturday. ..."From a genetic perspective, there are significant strain differences in their structure," he said.

By comparison, the USA for example does not routinely test asymptomatic birds.

USA: Open Markets a Risk for Bird Flu

The discovery of a mild form of avian flu on two Delaware farms in February 2004, and a Maryland farm a month later, exposed a vulnerability in the otherwise tightly secured commercial industry.

State and industry officials soon realized they didn't have an effective system to identify and monitor farms affiliated with live bird markets. They also learned that a relatively small outbreak could have a significant impact on national and international poultry markets. ...Since then, the Delaware Department of Agriculture has passed regulations that give the state greater authority to monitor poultry growers who specialize in raising chickens for live bird markets. The state also established penalties for growers, including backyard flock and show bird owners, who don't follow sanitation standards when transporting birds.

But the live markets still may pose a risk.

"We hear reports that commercial chickens are being stolen from the chicken houses and are ending up in the live bird system," said Satterfield. He said the reports came in from a poultry hotline number established to report suspicious or risky activity involving commercial chickens and backyard flocks. The reports have not been confirmed and are difficult to prove.

Trade Games: The bird flu strain found in Canada is not the deadly H5N1 strain from Asis - but the USA, Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and the Phillipines are banning Canadian poultry imports anyway.

Banning poultry from Canada

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines has banned the importation of birds and poultry products from British Columbia after a strain of the bird flu virus was reportedly discovered there, the agriculture secretary said Friday.

The ban covers domestic and wild birds, day-old chicks, eggs and semen, according to the Department of Agriculture.

It directed authorities to suspend processing of import and quarantine permits and confiscate all shipments of poultry and poultry products from the province already in the country.

Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan and the United States have temporarily halted poultry imports from B.C. as well.

reply posted on 10-12-2005 @ 11:27 AM by spliff4020

Originally posted by Soficrow

So they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.

Well, no. Its too late for that. I mean cleaning up the enviro is a good start, but it will do nothing for the impending virsuses awaiting our lungs. I think this is good idea. I think its just saying that when the s*** hits the fan, they are going to be ready.

It seems you cant please anyone nowadays. If they wait till half the city has it, then what? Its to late. Now is the time to put the measures in place so if and WHEN it hits, they're ready.

reply posted on 11-12-2005 @ 07:45 AM by soficrow

Originally posted by spliff4020

Originally posted by Soficrow

So they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.

Well, no. Its too late for that. I mean cleaning up the enviro is a good start, but it will do nothing for the impending virsuses awaiting our lungs. I think this is good idea. I think its just saying that when the s*** hits the fan, they are going to be ready.

Exactly. They "missed" the window for preventive action. Why? Because there wasn't any profit in it, and besides, letting things progress out of control is a neat and nifty policy of benign neglect for population reduction.

It seems you cant please anyone nowadays. If they wait till half the city has it, then what? Its to late. Now is the time to put the measures in place so if and WHEN it hits, they're ready.

Point being - the policies of benign neglect led to this situation.

If preventive strategies had been implemented even this fall - and agricultural animals quarantined - then it would not be necessary to quarantine humans now.

The decision was made long ago to quarantine humans instead of animals.

reply posted on 4-3-2009 @ 06:49 AM by soficrow

Given the current push to bring improperly tested anti-virals and vaccines to market, I find this part of the legislation of particular concern: