Einstein, von Braun and Tesla

I agree with most of the posters here, Tesla was a genius. Trouble is, he knew very little about how the business world works. He got screwed time and again, particularly by Thomas Edison, as has been mentioned previously. Credit has failed to go to Tesla in many areas where it is deserved. I'm taking electrical engineering, and the name Tesla should be practically holy gospel in that field, yet the only places I have heard him mentioned in the classroom are in connection with electric motors, AC power generation, and the unit for magnetic flux, the Tesla. I've got one prof who mentioned Tesla a couple times, but mostly to point out he is the same nationality as Tesla, lol. (serbian)

Originally posted by junglejake
Edison waged an incredible PR campaign against Tesla. Tesla was a scientist, while Edison was a jerk. I mean a marketing specialist. An advertiser. A total jerk.

Edison invented the lightbulb, true. Did he do it by taking current scientific theory and applying it practically? Heck no, he just kept putting an electrical charge through anything he could find until he discovered a metal filiment would glow. Electrical theory, even then, knew better than to think string was an electrical conductor.

Come on this is just some pure Edison bashing. If inventing the lightbulb was so easy then why didnt anyone do it before Edison. Even your vaunted Telsa didnt manage to invent the Lightbulb.

Its not like the Lightbulb was his only invention either he had over a thousand which included things like the Phonograph, printing telegraph, the electric "stencil pen," a magnetic mining process, an electrical torpedo, a synthetic rubber, and improved alkaline batteries, cement mixers, and microphones to name a few

Trying to imply Edison was not a scientist and an inventor is hogwash.

The invention that may have been the most important in history, the Logic Gate, was another thing Tesla created.

It is the foundation of every computer ever made.

And it was not until decades later that it was applied...

It is a little known fact that Nikola Tesla is the acknowledged inventor of the electronic AND logic gate circuit, a critical element of every digital computer. In New York City in the mid 1890s Tesla's work was focused on the development of an independent remotely-controlled device—the "telautomaton." These efforts led him to devise methods for selectively activating any of several wireless receivers (he called this "the art of individualization") that involved multiple transmissions on separate frequencies. At the receiving end, each one of the individual frequency components had to be tuned in, in order for the receiver to respond—the AND logic function. In June of 1899 Tesla established an experimental station at Colorado Springs where he continued his studies. Realizing the importance of his ground-breaking techniques he gave instructions upon his return to New York that patent applications be prepared and submitted. During the review period, the Patent Office told Tesla that another patent application for a similar concept had been received from Reginald Fessenden, and in 1902 a U.S. Patent Interference investigation was conducted concerning Tesla's wireless communications system. In the end, Tesla's claims were supported and he was granted protection under the "System of Signaling" and "Method of Signaling" patents—both describing the AND-gate circuit. After World War II when computer hardware manufacturers attempted to patent digital logic gates in general, the U.S. Patent Office asserted Tesla's turn-of-the-century priority in their electrical implementation. These same patents also describe essential features of the spread-spectrum wireless communications techniques known as frequency-hopping and frequency-division multiplexing. A more detailed account, including a complete transcript of the Patent Interference proceedings, can be found in the book Nikola Tesla: Guided Weapons & Computer Technology.
www.tfcbooks.com...&a_024.htm

[edit on 3-12-2005 by ArchAngel]

reply to post by Hal9000


He actually emigrated from Austro-Hungarian monarchy,and he was Serbian.

iM = V1 del V2

Tesla made that equation work with his coils.

Tesla coils should be wound on a cone form, it simulates a flat coil,
and provides feedback.

The hobby Tesla coils are useless.

Those with a physics background the instantaneous momentum (iM)
equation is akin to a vectored or directed Force is equal to (= )
charge (created by voltage V1) times the vectored or directed electric
field (E) (created by the del operator on voltage V2).
F = qE = V1 del V2

The devices providing the V1 and V2 are making things fly.

Von Braun may have been involved with the Tesla Foo design.
Einstein moved on to nuclear physics.
Now that I can put an equation on something Tesla did makes some
of his unknown devices easier to understand.

Von Braun the rocket, Einstein the atom structure, Tesla the electrical
engineer using the power of the ether.

Since many of us are still waiting to see the non Relativistic power
of the ether unveiled, I'll say Tesla is still the best.

Time for a beer, no tea.. coffee anyone.

As a child I was utterly obsessed with Einstein, still think he is one of the greatest...obviously he is.

But I think Tesla is far more intriguing.

Tesla for sure. I was so interested in him i bought his supposive autobiography. Where he claims to engineered everything in his head before he would even work on it, or build it. He gave us AC power and started most of the wireless technologies we have today. If it wasnt for him who know when wed have telephone. I mean he had plans to power the whole world from one location.

It's got to be tesla, not only did he give us the modern world but being a bit eccentric and oddly advanced for his time he has a kind of mysteriousness to him.

Edit: oh and those tesla coils in C&C Red Alert and real life are too cool!

[edit on 29/7/08 by just theory]

reply to post by junglejake


Hey super moderator, haha, just had to say that.

Anyway, I do agree with you that the ramifications of relativity are only now being uncovered. However, I have to point out to you that without Nikola Tesla and his inventions, we never would be able to explore those ramifications. We couldn't have super computers, we couldn't have computers, we couldn't have most of the wireless technologies we have today. Tesla was the father of the technological revolution and his most promising and experimental work was confiscated from his lab in Colorado springs by the CIA. He was on the brink of discovering time travel, teleportation, duplication, anti-gravity. I mean, c'mon, this guy was doing then what we think we might be able to do now. He designed the technology Einstein utilized to help with the Philadelphia experiment. Einstein actually used Tesla's work to accomplish things.

I don't want to take anything away from Einstein because his equation is beautifully simple which is why it is so amazing, however, you can't put him in the same category as Tesla. That man truly bent the laws of nature and physics and lost his life's most promising work because of it.

He hands down takes the cake.

Tesla is the most under credited scientific mind of the 20th century (in my opinion). he invented the .radio and didn't get credit until after his death. his tesla coils could revolutionize the way we use electricity. if it Wasn't for Edison, Tesla would have gotten the funding for his experiments and the world would have been a very different place. his death ray and earthquake generator is something that should have been built. would have completely stopped all wars after one use of either.

Einstein's brain is one to marvel at. he is so far ahead of his time that we wont even be using some of his formulas until technology catches up with them. and his work with the Manhattan project changed the world. and the quote " I Know Not with What Weapons WWIII Will Be Fought, but WWIV Will Be Fought with Sticks and Stones" just shows how much he knew.

i don't know much about von Braun so i won't comment.

Tesla is my pick.

Undoubtedly I would have to say Tesla for his advances in electricity. He has made a much bigger contribution to mankind in my opinion. He made the world a brighter place and increased efficiency and convenience for almost everyone on the planet. Von Braun’s and Einstein’s contributions to humanity are still wreaking havoc on mankind with nuclear ballistic missile technology. For which both of them are partially responsible for.

Originally posted by ShadowXIX
...Come on this is just some pure Edison bashing. If inventing the lightbulb was so easy then why didnt anyone do it before Edison. Even your vaunted Telsa didnt manage to invent the Lightbulb. ...

Actually, Tesla DID invent a "light bulb". The only "problem" for Edison is that Tesla's version could use ANYTHING as the "light bulb". He didn't need tungsten. He didn't need vacuums, any old item would do.

And as for "inventing" the light bulb, Edison didn't invent the light bulb. What he did do was IMPROVE the light bulb to where it would be economically feasible to mass-produce and mass-consume. There were light bulbs before Edison, they just burned out very quickly.

Read your scientific history!

1. Tesla

I'm not too sure about Einstein and the bomb at Los Alamos.
Just getting started in 1943 and having two fine A bombs by
1945 seems a stretch.

Tesla is now shrouded in conspiracy theories and unvalidated
tossed up events and fictitious hardware.

The Von Braun presence in 1936 New Mexico has been established
with photo evidence and the people present.
The Dr Goddard's Rocket Society invite to Willy Ley was taken over
by Von Braun and he may have improved V2 rocket performance.
If WWII footage mentions the V2 improvement, it says an officer
came up with design and not Peter van Dresser, a Rocket Society
member that made the design change.

We can't prove Lunar Landings, so Von Braun's Saturn rocket only
put people into orbit. A now a different rocket will be used for future
Moon expeditions. Bush's war spending might make us wait for
that chapter.

From what believable research on Tesla shows is that non Relativistic,
more energy out than in, can be achievable.

A sustained transmutation. Alright.
proton-21.com.ua...

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne

We can't prove Lunar Landings, so Von Braun's Saturn rocket only
put people into orbit. A now a different rocket will be used for future
Moon expeditions. Bush's war spending might make us wait for
that chapter.

Not to break balls but we can prove the lunar landings. look up the Moon mirrors or something like that. scientists have mirrors on the moon and shoot lasers at it to find the distance between earth and moon.

EDIT: got the link
science.nasa.gov...

[edit on 07/17/2008 by N. Tesla]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I'm not too sure about Einstein and the bomb at Los Alamos.
Just getting started in 1943 and having two fine A bombs by
1945 seems a stretch.

Nobody said he was there but he was a major part in the theorizing behind it's development years before WWII

video.google.com...
Physicist Dr. Leo Szilard helps Einstein write FDR to start
Los Alamos National Laboratory in 1943.

Los Alamos National Laboratory
Date Established: 1943
www.globalsecurity.org...
See TA-33 in lower southern corner.
Nuke Lab Can't Keep Snoops Out
www.wired.com...
Who's going there, the workers were pilfering Tesla
coil wire and left the forms.

By the time FDR got Einstein's letter the Nazi A bombs already existed
and the plan for the US to use them already in the works.

The big news was to say America made the A bombs.
Fat Man just about fit in the B-29.

Truman had no choice about the A bomb, they had to be used.
Nazi subs with neutron bombs were posed on the east coast.

It all ends the same, but I disagree on how we got here.

I think Hal9000 and junglejake both bring good points to the table..

My vote is for Tesla. His inventions have affected our lives more than most people know.
He was the first to say that AC electrical power was the best choice,

Einstein himself was probably the biggest critic of General Relativity when he died. He was looking for the truth, not self-glorification, which I respect greatly.

I find general relativity more fascinating than alternating current, but there is no doubt AC is more applicable to my everyday situation.

reply to post by N. Tesla


I heard of the mirrors.
So obviously it is not enough.
And I've been on forms for a few years going over subject.

I just don't see why a Moon satellite can't broadcast back the landing sites.
But I would still say its CGI and never be convinced.

But thanks for asking about my lack of being convinced.
God does not exist to some people because they can't see Him so why
not Moon landings.
God is a belief, Moon landings should not be a belief only a fact or
convincing of the truth.

People that never been around the world might just as well think its
flat. Going to the Moon is not that big for some people.

well the mirrors are fact. by saying that the mirrors is not enough is like acknowledging a fact and then saying you don't believe it. the fact is the mirrors are there because a human put them there. therefore we were on the moon.