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posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by WestPoint23
The United States would like to issue a warning to Chinese officials about conducting such tests close to American land. The United States will not tolerate launches of Nuclear Ballistic Missiles that threaten its terretories.

As a result the US will put the USS Alabama (SSBN-731) and USS Alaska (SSBN-732) on high alert. Both "boomer" subs are in undisclosed areas of the pacific.


The Pacific is not the soveriegn territory of the United States, you may not deny it's use to any country.
The PRC reminds the US that it has parked aircraft carriers far closer to Chinese territory. These carriers carry around 100 nuclear weapons. Do not lecture us on where and where not we can conduct our tests in international waters.
The overt threat the US has displayed by putting her subs on what in effect is a ' hair trigger ', is threatening the PRC in a way which could destroy our nation. Once again we reiterate our no first use policy of nuclear weapons and request the US do the same. We also request that the UN Security council step in and mediate this dispute in the interests of a peaceful world.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by rogue1]




posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by ignorant_ape
“ peace keeper missiles “

The PRC is aghast at the plans of the criminal regiemes of USA and ROK to supply the insanely named “ peace keeper “ missile to ROK forces

”peacekeeper”

This is a weapon of war – and of zero use to the ROK for the purposes they claim


The Peacekeeper missle is the greatest nuclear deterent ever devised.


PS – I don’t want to appear snide or hypocritical here , but wasn’t “ realistic “ stipulated in all war plans ?????


This is VERY realistic if Russia were to offer all of their ballistic missle technology to NK. The US would do the same.


PRC is mobilising PLA-N and PLA-AF forces to implement a blockade of ROK if required

the ONLY traffic that will be blocked are those that contain illegal nuclear munitions

the PRC is contacting her allies in this regard


South Korea laughs at Chinas threats, and again points to their unabashed hypocrisy!

They fully support the complete nuclear proliferation of NK, which already has nuclear superiority over SK, but wish to deny South Korea the ability to defend it's self from a nation which has proven many times over to be completely irrational and unstable. This is a nation which has fired mallistic missles at Japan, and posses a constant threat to invade and bombard South Korea.

South Korea warns the US to give nuclear shipments to South Korea a heavy escort. South Korea also offers it's own F-16's for help as well.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by rogue1
  • CNN - RUmour haves flooded the financial world that CHina plans to dump a sizable amount of US Treasury bonds, which will send the dollar into freefall. So far no official word has emerged from China but already the dollar has lost a lot of ground to the other major currencies.


***BREAKING CNN REPORT***

China plans to sink her own economy by dropping the dollar. All experts agree that while the US dollar may free fall, Chinas whole economy will collapse.

Clearly this is a sign that Chinese leadership is unstable and unrationable.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 11:56 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
PS – I don’t want to appear snide or hypocritical here , but wasn’t “ realistic “ stipulated in all war plans ?????


This is VERY realistic if Russia were to offer all of their ballistic missle technology to NK. The US would do the same.


It's not realistic either way. There is no way thast Russia would give NK all it's ICBM tech, it makes absolutely no sense. The NK's wouldn't be able to afford a fraction of it for a start, not to mention all the other obvious reasons.
Why would the US give SK the Peacemaker, why such a heavyweight missile which has a reach of over 10 000km. Who are they going to attack Europe, European Russia, Africa
Also the Peacekeeper is in retirement and most of them have been destroyed.

This just isn't realistic, where are the judges. :bnghd:



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man
***BREAKING CNN REPORT***

China plans to sink her own economy by dropping the dollar. All experts agree that while the US dollar may free fall, Chinas whole economy will collapse.

Clearly this is a sign that Chinese leadership is unstable and unrationable.


lol, you missed the subtlety, We only had to spread rumours that we were going to sell and your dollar dropped in anticipation of further falls.
The US economy would be virtuly destroyed as well. You retail sector would disappear, as we know almost everything is made in China these days or Asia.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by rogue1]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 12:36 PM
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U.S. Calls North Korea 'Criminal Regime'
AP - Wed, 7 Dec 2005 15:30:33 -0500 (EST)
By KELLY OLSEN

The United States refused Wednesday to withdraw financial sanctions on what it called North Korea's "criminal regime," accusing the government of arms-dealing, drug sales, money-laundering and counterfeiting.

"It's up to North Korea to end the behavior that led to those sanctions," U.S. Ambassador to South Korea Alexander Vershbow told the National Press Club in Seoul. "This is a criminal regime and we can't somehow remove our sanctions as a political gesture."

His description of the North provoked strong criticism from a top South Korean official.

"It's not desirable to publicly characterize the other side," Son Min-soon, South Korea's chief negotiator at six-party talks over the North's nuclear ambitions, told The Associated Press in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. "If North Korea makes a similar characterization, would that be good?"

Vershbow's tough talk came one day after North Korea threatened to boycott the six-nation talks on eliminating its nuclear weapons programs unless Washington lifts sanctions imposed in October.

Officials in the South, which has been pursuing a detente of sorts with the North since the two countries' leaders held their first summit in 2000, have in recent years avoided strongly worded criticisms of the North.

The United States imposed sanctions targeting eight North Korean companies it said acted as fronts for the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. North Korea vehemently denies the allegations.

The North engaged in the "export of dangerous military technology, narcotics trafficking, money laundering, the counterfeiting of U.S. currency and many other illicit activities," Vershbow said.

Vershbow, who assumed his post in October, refused to characterize North Korean leader Kim Jong Il but said the state he runs is "a very repressive regime" that continues to possess "concentration camps for political prisoners."

Regarding the counterfeiting of other countries' money, Vershbow remarked that "according to one observer, it's the first regime that's done that since Adolf Hitler." Vershbow didn't identify his source.

The North's official Rodong Sinmun newspaper made the threat to suspend participation in the six-party talks in a commentary carried Tuesday by the official Korean Central News Agency.

"It is impossible to resume the six-party talks under such provocative sanctions applied by the U.S.," the commentary said.

The talks, launched in 2003, involve China, the United States, the two Koreas, Japan and Russia. Their fifth and latest session recessed in November with no signs of progress on persuading the North to disarm. The parties agreed at the end of the fifth session to meet again at an early, though unspecified, date.

North Korea says Washington agreed in the last round of talks in Beijing to hold negotiations on the sanctions. The U.S. denies such an offer.

The Rodong Sinmun commentary also called on the U.S. to respect the North and not take any actions that would impede the progress of nuclear talks. An earlier version called the sanctions a U.S. conspiracy to win concessions from the North on the nuclear issue.

"Our enforcement of U.S. law should not be used to hold up the six-party talks," Vershbow said Wednesday.

"North Korea has tremendous economic and social problems, none of which will be solved by the pursuit of nuclear weapons," he said.

The North and South, which fought the 1950-53 Korean War and remain technically in a state of conflict as a peace treaty was never concluded, are divided by a heavily armed border, the world's last Cold War frontier.

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Associated Press writer Jae-Soon Chang in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, contributed to this report.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by rogue1

Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
PS – I don’t want to appear snide or hypocritical here , but wasn’t “ realistic “ stipulated in all war plans ?????


This is VERY realistic if Russia were to offer all of their ballistic missle technology to NK. The US would do the same.


It's not realistic either way. There is no way thast Russia would give NK all it's ICBM tech, it makes absolutely no sense. The NK's wouldn't be able to afford a fraction of it for a start, not to mention all the other obvious reasons.
Why would the US give SK the Peacemaker, why such a heavyweight missile which has a reach of over 10 000km. Who are they going to attack Europe, European Russia, Africa
Also the Peacekeeper is in retirement and most of them have been destroyed.

This just isn't realistic, where are the judges. :bnghd:


I agree that both are unrealistic.

HOWEVER, assuming that Russia offers NK all of it's technology, it is VERY likely the US would respond in kind. The Peacekeepers main benefit to SK would be it's survivability in case of a NK first launch. The only other option that provides such survivability is a nuclear ballistic submarine, which would cost several billion dollars - war heads not included.

In addition, it would force Russia and China to obstain from backing any NK agression, as they could be targeted themelves.

Again, I am simply playing off of the actions of others, and even protested the action by Russia.

But I'll be damned if I just let them do it and don't take action myself.


***BREAKING NEWS***

South Korea calls for Russia to terminate it's plans of full ballistic missle technology to NK. This is the last request it will make, before it installs it's own nuclear deterent.

SK again pleads to Russia to show some sanity, less they destabilize all of Asia.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by American Mad Man]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by rogue1
lol, you missed the subtlety, We only had to spread rumours that we were going to sell and your dollar dropped in anticipation of further falls.
The US economy would be virtuly destroyed as well. You retail sector would disappear, as we know almost everything is made in China these days or Asia.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by rogue1]


I didn't miss a thing. I just pointed out what any amature economist would know - that these "rumors" had no substance what-so-ever. No one would fall for this ploy.

Besides, as you pointed out, a lot of goods are made in China. Let me ask you, do you think it helps or hurts China's profit to have the dollar drop?



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by American Mad Man

Originally posted by rogue1
lol, you missed the subtlety, We only had to spread rumours that we were going to sell and your dollar dropped in anticipation of further falls.
The US economy would be virtuly destroyed as well. You retail sector would disappear, as we know almost everything is made in China these days or Asia.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by rogue1]


I didn't miss a thing. I just pointed out what any amature economist would know - that these "rumors" had no substance what-so-ever. No one would fall for this ploy.

Besides, as you pointed out, a lot of goods are made in China. Let me ask you, do you think it helps or hurts China's profit to have the dollar drop?


China could quite easily dump $US30-40 billion in treasury notes and still hve more than 50% left. That would be a major blow to the $US. Sure China may suffer a tiny bit, it's growth may slow but it will still be in the high single digits, where the US could very easily go backwards in terms of GNP.
China is increasing its markets in Europe, South America, and Russia at a decent pace. The US maybe it's biggest trading partnet but not it's only one.
BEsides the Chinese are used to hardships, hundreds of milions still live in ' rural ' conditions. So yes, China could sustain minor econmoic difficulties but the US's would be far greater.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 01:36 PM
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posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 01:44 PM
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posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 01:45 PM
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military bases
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posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 01:56 PM
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In a strategic sense, Japan is at a turning point.

"What is really worrisome is not simply Japan's current military capability,'' the Rand report said. "Japan has both the financial and technical means to transform its military into powerful strategic forces in a relatively short period of time. Absent a U.S. presence, Japan may very well attempt to fill the power vacuum by becoming a major hegemonic contestant in the region."

Japan already has a serious territorial dispute over tiny Tokdo Island. The dispute is not with a rival like China, nor with an outside power like Russia, but with an erstwhile friendly neighbor: South Korea.

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Asian governments are urging that Japan reconsider its pacifistic legal tradition. Last week, the Australian government urged Japan to undertake a larger security role. All are motivated by two concerns: the ascendance of China -- and the modernization of its antiquated military -- and signs that the United States will lower its profile in Asia.

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If Japan will do more of the heavy lifting of containing an expansionist China, Washington can lower its own profile, the cost of deployments and the exposure of its forces to attack. Meanwhile, the U.S.'s unfolding strategy is calling for the development of long-range weapons to reduce the physical presence of American forces in the region.

www2.gol.com...



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:06 PM
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sorry posted twice...



[edit on 8-12-2005 by elab]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by rogue1
China could quite easily dump $US30-40 billion in treasury notes and still hve more than 50% left. That would be a major blow to the $US.


Excuse me?

You really think 30 or 40 billion would do anything to an economy of over 12 TRILLION?




Sure China may suffer a tiny bit, it's growth may slow but it will still be in the high single digits, where the US could very easily go backwards in terms of GNP.


The more the US suffers, the more China suffers. It's that simple. You can't hurt your largest customer without hurting your self.


China is increasing its markets in Europe, South America, and Russia at a decent pace. The US maybe it's biggest trading partnet but not it's only one.


The European (actually the world) economy is based off of the US economy. You can not isolate economic hardship on the US because frankly the whole worlds economy is built on the US.

The US represents about 20% of the world economy. You simply can't damage that without effecting everyone else.


BEsides the Chinese are used to hardships, hundreds of milions still live in ' rural ' conditions. So yes, China could sustain minor econmoic difficulties but the US's would be far greater.


In a word, no.

The US (and it's allies) represent the majority of Chinas top 10 trading partners.

China is replacable as a source of cheap labor. The US with it's allies represent over 50% of the world economy. You can't replace that.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:32 PM
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Is this thread alive? It looks great, saw some awesome data early on.

But it looks like AMM is trying to stir up some trouble once again... is there anybody that's still trying to "fight" this "war?" I wanna see some fighting.

[edit on 8-12-2005 by sweatmonicaIdo]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:42 PM
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Elab

George Friedman, Stratfor's founder, has been trying to predict a Japanese military buildup and military conflict with it's allies for a decade and a half now, since his book The Coming War With Japan.

I would offer that while there may be some conflict between SK and Japan, it would very much so take a backseat to such a scenerio that we have developing in this war game, namely a confrontation between the NK, Russia, China, and the Allies of US/UK/Japan/SK.

Sorry, just trying to nip this in the bud before you play on it, as it is in the spirit of this exercise that those be the sides.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 02:47 PM
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Stop sweating me


Originally posted by sweatmonicaIdo
Is this thread alive? It looks great, saw some awesome data early on.

But it looks like AMM is trying to stir up some trouble once again... is there anybody that's still trying to "fight" this "war?" I wanna see some fighting.


How am I trying to "stir up trouble"? I am trying to keep this realistic, since I - UNLIKE YOU - am a participating member in this war game.

In other words, get lost if you can't keep from singling me out in a negative way, as is par for you.

EDIT: fix quotes/underlines/bold

[edit on 8-12-2005 by American Mad Man]



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 03:28 PM
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AMM, so much of the US's economy is based on CHina. Take for example the retail sector. Walmart alone has about $US 256 billion worth of sales and the vast majority, over 90% of their products are made in China. Yout take that away and that's 250 billion off your GDP of 12 trillion. Combine that with all the other major reatailers who get their product from China and your talking trillions, not to mention other industries.
It will be far worse for the US than China, imagine the 10's of millions unemployed from your retail sector crashed. Worst case scenario of course.
China would get hurt as well, but not nearly as much.



posted on Dec, 8 2005 @ 03:43 PM
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AMM - bottom line is the ecconomic fallout from what ever either side does , or does not do is the emit of the judges , not us - as we are biased


but bear in mind that rogue1 was cranking the roumor mill - it was no admission of team china policy or action

second - financial markets are filled with craven idiots - how do you think the wall street crash started - huh ??

but bear in mind that japan and ROK have mined thier waters , japans mines have already sunk a linerr -

PRC is delpoying an air interdiction of ROK to uphold the NNPT,

what realistic effects do you think ROK getting ICBMS will have on the deawoo share price ?

there is a avian flue out break in tokyo -


etc etc etc




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