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Originally posted by victor was right
was this a shuttle bus to a federal facility, where everyone on the bus was expecting to show their IDs to the guards?
did the bus briefly enter the grounds of the federal facility to pick up and discharge passengers, on its way to make OTHER stops? if so, then this arrest is an abomination and should given wide publicity so that americans who DON'T want a police state can see the warning signs of it, and confront their fellow "americans" who DO want a police state.
expect the phrase "if you've got nothing to hide" to be repeated across the land....mostly by conservatives i'm sad to say.
Originally posted by Zaphod58
What's to stop someone from saying "Oh, I'm just going to stay on the bus." get let on, and then walk off when they stop somewhere on the facility? You have to show federal id to get onto a federal facility. It's that simple. If you refuse you are either thrown off the bus, or if you argue about it you can be arrested for it.
[edit on 11/26/2005 by Zaphod58]
The bus she rides crosses the property of the Denver Federal Center, a collection of government offices such as the Veterans Administration, the U.S. Geological Survey, and part of the National Archives. The Denver Federal Center is not a high security area: it's not Area 51 or NORAD.
The reason why she was charged has absolutely nothing to do with security. The guard at the Denver Federal Center wasn't checking IDs against a 'no ride' list: there is no such thing. The demands made against Deb Davis were nothing more than a compliance test, a demand that she kowtow to officialdom. And lest we forget, having to show your ID is a search without a warrant.
Through these charges, it appears that the Feds are claiming that people were on notice that they had to show ID. Nowhere is this evident, unless 'Public Welcome' flags are bureaucratese for 'Papers, please'. In addition, Deb wasn't even visiting the Denver Federal Center. That the public bus transits the facility isn't her fault. If the Center really is Denver's answer to Area 51, then public buses should be driving around — not through — the Center.
The Department of Homeland Security has attempted to institute programs predicated on the use of ID to improve security. The fact of the matter is that demands for ID do nothing for security while making honest Americans less free.
Originally posted by Rren
... she wasn't trying to get onto the base. She was under no legal obligation to show ID, there is no "reasonable" excuse for looking at her ID. If this was a top secret sensitive government facility they wouldn't let public buses ride through and wouldn't be sporting a Visitors Welcome sign at the entrance. Maybe i'm missing your point, i must be.
The bus she rides crosses the property of the Denver Federal Center, a collection of government offices such as the Veterans Administration, the U.S. Geological Survey, and part of the National Archives. The Denver Federal Center is not a high security area
For the next two weeks she said had no ID. The guards would then ask her if she was getting off on Denver Federal Center property. When she told them 'no', they would let her alone: not once was she ever asked to get off the bus.