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Originally posted by Djarums
I think I just contributed to losing focus. Humblest apologies.
My problem was with the argument he mentioned (not supported) and it's potential to sidetrack things horrendously because of how peopel generally tie the two topics together. I guess I let it do just that and sidetrack.
Let's get back to the actual topic. I have no problems with people's research.
So..... you don't buy the official story either, I assume? Considering there's no real evidence to any of it? I mean, the absolute most you can cite is some circumstantial stuff, like a passport that magically survived one of the jet impacts and landed on the ground, and some stuff one of the alleged hijackers allegedly left laying around somewhere with a convenient note. Go much farther than that, and you've got nothing from the gov. A lot of people don't seem to realize this.
Originally posted by Djarums
However, personally I believe that the crime was perpetrated by Islamic Extremists for many reasons including actual real life evidence (which is lacking from many alternative theories).
Originally posted by bsbray11
Originally posted by Djarums
However, personally I believe that the crime was perpetrated by Islamic Extremists for many reasons including actual real life evidence (which is lacking from many alternative theories).
Is the evidence you're talking about the passport, and the stuff one of them supposedly left behind? That's really about all they have man, and it's just circumstantial.
Originally posted by Djarums
The threats they made prior and the credit they took after must have also been circumstantial.
Osama in an interview on Sept. 28 2001
I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. ...
[...]
Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.
I think some people who look to blame everyone on earth but the islamic extremists who admit to doing it would make phenomenal defense lawyers. OJ should take note.
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Dr. Dov S. Zakheim is a former political and economic adviser to the United States government.
Zakheim earned his baccalaureate in government from Columbia University in 1970, and his doctorate in economics and politics at St. Antony's College, Oxford University. He has been an adjunct professor at the National War College, Yeshiva University, Columbia University and Trinity College (Connecticut), where he was presidential scholar. He is an ordained Orthodox Jewish rabbi.
He served in various Department of Defense posts during the Reagan administration, including Deputy Undersecretary of Defense for Planning and Resources from 1985 to 1987.
In 2001, Zakheim was CEO of SPC International, a subsidiary of System Planning Corporation, as well as a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
At the time of the attack which destroyed the World Trade Center Dov Zakheim was the Comptroller of the Pentagon, appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor".
He was then appointed to be Undersecretary of Defense from 2001 to 2004 under the George W. Bush administration, and served in this capacity until April 2004. He is currently a Vice President of Booz Allen Hamilton.
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" 'According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions,' Rumsfeld admitted. $2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America."
-- CBS, 1/29/02
On Sept. 10, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld declared war. Not on foreign terrorists, "the adversary's closer to home. It's the Pentagon bureaucracy," he said.
He said money wasted by the military poses a serious threat.
"In fact, it could be said it's a matter of life and death," he said.
Rumsfeld promised change but the next day – Sept. 11-- the world changed and in the rush to fund the war on terrorism, the war on waste seems to have been forgotten.
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Originally posted by Djarums
I'd love to know why every time a thread comes up about Israel being responsible for 9/11 (this is the 750th or so) someone has to soil it with "no jews went to work there that day".
now for a question: what about all the calls from people on the planes (via mobile phones)? I would assume that these people were sacrifices for the greater good of the plan... otherwise, where are they?
"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude"
"Wireless communications networks weren't designed for ground-to-air communication. Cellular experts privately admit that they're surprised the calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they lasted as long as they did. They speculate that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground
While serious doubts regarding the cell calls were expressed in the immediate aftermath of 9/11, a new landmark in the wireless telecom industry has further contributed to upsetting the Commission's credibility. Within days of the release of the 9/11 Commission Report in July, American Airlines and Qualcomm, proudly announced the development of a new wireless technology --which will at some future date allow airline passengers using their cell phones to contact family and friends from a commercial aircraft