Evidence that Israel was responsible for 9/11

I think I just contributed to losing focus. Humblest apologies.

My problem was with the argument he mentioned (not supported) and it's potential to sidetrack things horrendously because of how peopel generally tie the two topics together. I guess I let it do just that and sidetrack.

Let's get back to the actual topic. I have no problems with people's research.

Just curious now, do you believe 9/11 was an inside job (as I do) and that Israeli elements were involved in on it along with the US (as I do)?

As a person who lives and works in Manhattan, volunteers as an EMT, responded to that scene for 3 days straight, you bet your hat I think it should never have happened and that there are things about the story we don't know.

I nearly lost my life down there, as did a lot of people I know. I'd love nothing more than to find out more about what the heck went on behind the scenes.

However, personally I believe that the crime was perpetrated by Islamic Extremists for many reasons including actual real life evidence (which is lacking from many alternative theories).

I personally find no conspiracy in who did it, I find the real story is the stupidity and incompetence of our government in allowing 3,000 of our brothers and sisters to die senselessly while they fell asleep at the wheel.

Anyways, again I digress. I'd be happy to follow up with you in u2u's so as not to sidetrack this thread and undermine the work people have already put into it.

In the Air Force, I worked on F-15Es, I was a 2W151, layman's terms, a weapons troop. I loaded munitions as well as repaired and maintained the aircraft's armament systems. There is not a single, feasible way that aircraft could not have been prepped, loaded, and launched within 30 minutes.

Add to the fact the vast military support in the region, aircraft wise, something smells fishy.

Couldnt have said it better myself

Is the evidence you're talking about the passport, and the stuff one of them supposedly left behind? That's really about all they have man, and it's just circumstantial.

First you have to wake the SHEEPLE. then start impeachment against Bush and company, then maybe just maybe we will get the pricks?

The threats they made prior and the credit they took after must have also been circumstantial.

I think some people who look to blame everyone on earth but the islamic extremists who admit to doing it would make phenomenal defense lawyers. OJ should take note.

You must not be too familiar with the tapes in which "they" accept responsibility. In them, Osama sports a fatter face, with a shorter and wider nose, and higher cheek bones, among other interesting feature changes.

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The blurry 'E' is the fakey from the alleged admission tape.

He also shows off his known left-handedness by writing with his right hand. And on top of that, the film quality is a major step downwards from what we're used to seeing from him, and the tape was also not aired on al Qaeda or etc., but allegedly found by our own US forces in an Afghanistan city after we bombed the hell out of it, and then, apparently, went scavanger hunting through the basements of the ruined houses. You would have to be extremely gullible, given the known practices of propoganda by our military, to just buy this tape, given this information.

This tape, and one other released in 2004 which was similarly fake, hosting the same fake bin Laden,

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were the only tapes in which Osama claims or suggests responsibility.

Nowhere else has al Qaeda ever claimed or suggested responsibility for 9/11. Only in the tapes where Osama writes with the wrong hand and has a morphed face.

Also, if you look into it, you'll find Osama bin Laden was interviewed by major Pakistani press before those tapes were released, on Sept. 28, 2001, and guess what he said regarding 9/11? He said that he had absolutely nothing to do with it, and suggested it was the work of either the Israeli Government or a faction within the US Government, among others.



Again, that was published in Ummat Karachi, or just Ummat, a daily newspaper of Pakistan, on September 28th 2001. Translations are available online and have reportedly been verified by the BBC (but I wouldn't know for certain). Here are two links to the article:

www.robert-fisk.com...
www.public-action.com...



Hey, if al Qaeda did it, and there was evidence, I wouldn't hesitate to blame them. But even if there was evidence that would actually stick to al Qaeda, I seriously doubt that al Qaeda could implode three skyscrapers, one of them (WTC7) even housing offices for the SS and CIA, without some help from ol' Uncle Sam.

Great first post Analysis, well laid out and some meat to the facts that you posted though some sources are just disinfo!




I agree that this issue is sidelined due to a oversensitive nature of modern life, rather like some Councils in the UK not having Christmass Trees in case it upsets the Muslims.

The world is going mad because no one can talk their truth, and what information we have is spun and manipulated first.

I like your attitude in takling this subject, though I must say I in no way shape or form tolerate any form of gender, racial or religeous persecution. That truly is the cause of all conflict in our world.

But seeking the truth and discussing actaual events and facts is as important as equality. Without truth equality is negated.

A good thread thank you and welcome, which im sure in your case miht be to the lions den of ATS with this post :-)

bsbray11 your a star excellent post



Djarums I would have also voted you if I could
(are moderators so omniprescent they cant get any higher or above where they currently are? only kidding )
Not for your posts as I tend to lean to the belief that it was unlikely to be Al Quaeda alone, but in recognition of a true living 'Hero' and your unbaised attitude and supportive nature towards this thread even though you had personal involvement... So you were a hero in the Physical and emotional sense on those dark Days in sep 01 and being a Intellectual and Truth champion now.... much respect to you, I havent been so impressed by a Moderators "Deny Ignorance" stance before. Love and light to all those it affected.
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MischeviouslyReadingBetweenTheLines

Regards

Elf

I can understand Djarums frustration. I remember when I was first looking into the 9/11 conspiracy, this rumor that no Jews went to work was flying around, so I decided to look into it. I found no legit articles, so I looked at the death list at the WTC and discovered that there were indeed Jews in the death toll. With names like Cohen, Levin, Silverberg, Rosenthal, ect ect ect, anyone can simply see this is not true.

However, I do believe that the Israeli government and secret services, with the help of their Pentagon lackeys had something to do with 9/11. That part i dont dispute. I just dont believe that every jew on the planet walks around with a walkie talkie contacting Zionist headquarters for tips on where not to be.

The Zionists and the higher in cabal of Jewish supremecists dont give a rats ass about the average Joe Goldstein on the street, and only use them and any suffering they endure to push their plots forward.

Just like gentile nations do.

The post that started this thread is garbage and therefore, this entire thread is garbage!!

Virtually every source the thread starter used are left-wing 911 conspiratorial organizations (ifamericansknew.org; counterpunch.org; madcowprod.com; antiwar.com etc) who are hell-bent on twisting facts for the sole purpose of putting the Bush admin in a bad light.

There are enough 911 conspiracy threads wherein these issues are already being used/discussed.


Mods:

Please consider merging this thread into one that already has this topic.

Dov Zakheim



Dov you idiot, how could you lose $2.3 trillion from the Pentagon just before 9/11? Wait, why does his resume read like a planning list for 9/11?



Dov Zakheim - Accountant
Larry Silverstein - Supply
Dick Cheney - Management
George Bush Snr. - Investor Relations
Paul Wolfowitz - Investor Relations
Donald Rumsfeld - Technical Support
Karl Rove - Public Relations
George W. Bush - Public Relations

9/11 couldn't of happened without these guys making it run like military clockwork precision. Never trust some amateur terrorists to do a black-op successfully!

'Let them hijack the planes, turn off responders and then we'll remotely depressurize the plane, knock them all out and fly it to our GPS locations we've prepared in advance.

If we don't, they could do anything, including screwing up and making a mess we haven't accounted for.

The plans for reshaping Iraq and securing our oil industry are gathering dust, we need something big, a 'new pearl harbor' type event - obviously the Cole and '93 Bombing wasn't big enough to turn the tide.'


There's three elements gaining from 9/11:
1/ Money, pure profit - those are for the people who have to sacrifice something
2/ Business deals, power - this is for those in the west who are funding the change in the middle east.
3/ New World Order - this is for Isreal protecting it's position and future in the Middle East and for those in the west who are securing their future via No. 2.

Yet Bush sold us 'they are jealous of our freedoms'.

[edit on 10-1-2006 by TheShroudOfMemphis]

Great post. Its about time that people start waking up to this, investigate PINAC and North Com, and all the other documents that tell the real story.

Yes, this whole conspiracy is being hatched from Irael via Europe. Eventually Israel will be the headquarters of a global government. Many of the people involved in this claim to be jewish in order to divert attention and suspicion, when in reality, they worship Lucifer, or as they call him ''Jah-Buh-Lon'', a very ancient word.

It is not a jewish conspiracy. It is a conspiracy by people from many nationalities who all have one goal in mind: the centralization of world power.

And I have a feeling that there are many people posting threads and responses who are deliberatly trying to put out disinformation and lies, and criticize those who rightfully speak out about this (who knows, they could work for the CIA) . You know who you are.

[edit on 10-1-2006 by LetKnowledgeDrop]

great post, and great organization of info...

now for a question: what about all the calls from people on the planes (via mobile phones)? I would assume that these people were sacrifices for the greater good of the plan... otherwise, where are they?

also... good point about the drug smuggling... really makes much more sense that some drug smugglers were seen in a stripbar, than pious muslims hoping for heaven... would kinda defeat the purpose....
So mohhamed meets him at the gates, "uh, well Hamid... it looks like you did real good, until the stripbar last night... so i can't let you in..." DOH!

Also, I had heard that Zacharias Mussoui had admitted and remembered using nick Bergs laptop? Yes, or No?

Look at who was in charge of security at the airports where those planes took off. The Israeli company providing security. Is this the wolf guarding the hen house.

What's even worse is when you mention Israel in this and automatically you're anti-semitic before you say another word...terrible.

As for whoever said their Iranian Jew friends say that Israel is highly corrupt, my Israeli Jew friends agree. They say it's much worse than the United States.

LazarusTheLong




Well it seems that it was very very unlikely that they could have made these calls, there is much written on this however just some of the main points that point to the phone calls being 'dubious'




Wireless Review

So an Industry Magazine!

also:



Ellot Org

Well most of the calls were meant t have been made way above 8000 feet!

But the most important 'proof' of somethign very wrong with these calls is:



Qualcomm

So I hope that helped answer your question, though this is digressing from the main point of the thread.

There may though be a link, as most of the major global communications companies are Israeli run or mainly owned by. So maybe your question brings more information to this posts thrust with my answer.


Regards

Elf

Global Research

It did help answer my question,
now for another... (trying to add the pieces)

was there calls made from only two planes? (the "lets roll" plane & pentagon plane))
or were there calls from the others also?

It would separate out the tower planes as possible decoys, while the others could have been "sacrifices" or perhaps also decoys, with people forced to make calls for credibility...

and did the jewish "art students" give their lives for this operation? or were they diverted and offloaded somewhere?

According to Bin Laden, one of the reasons he planned the bombing of the WTC and targeted the US was because the United STate's is the greatest allie Israel has. Not because they hate our freedom dribble from Faux News.