Iran and Nuclear enrichement

Spaceballs was also made by a jew,Who cares who made nuclear power it was the bigest mistake of mankind

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Excuse me? Thats exactly what it means. You may not agree with it, but it does mean - in the end - the US can dictate what it wishes for the most part.

That's called a facist dictatorship.

Which makes this totally true.

Iran isn't like Germany in the 30s....USA is like Germany in the 30s, it wants to tell everyone what they can and cannon do, and anyone they don't like they just invade, making up false evidence to support their war (as with Iraq).

Originally posted by SpilledBeans
This is very ignorant to say. With out the USA Germany would have taken Britian not too long ago and there should be no doubt in anyones mind about that.

I'm talking about nowdays, not way way back.

And way way back, USSR destroyed Germany, US had little to do with the war over there in europe, little compared to USSR.

And let's not start this argument again...

Originally posted by Manincloak

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Excuse me? Thats exactly what it means. You may not agree with it, but it does mean - in the end - the US can dictate what it wishes for the most part.

That's called a facist dictatorship.

Which makes this totally true.

Iran isn't like Germany in the 30s....USA is like Germany in the 30s, it wants to tell everyone what they can and cannon do, and anyone they don't like they just invade, making up false evidence to support their war (as with Iraq).

Originally posted by SpilledBeans
This is very ignorant to say. With out the USA Germany would have taken Britian not too long ago and there should be no doubt in anyones mind about that.

I'm talking about nowdays, not way way back.

And way way back, USSR destroyed Germany, US had little to do with the war over there in europe, little compared to USSR.

And let's not start this argument again...

In order to stop that particular argument again can you supply the link to the thread? I'm really interested on how much the US and USSR did in the war... Thanks!

Originally posted by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE
Spaceballs was also made by a jew,Who cares who made nuclear power it was the bigest mistake of mankind

What Im saying about Jews is that they are very smart people and one's opposing hatred to them extends to their views to obliterate them with their own knowledge. And yet they demand something that suits them to destroy that very race if they had the chance. Einstein would turn in his grave and so would all the Jewish Kings.

Kitchen Knives can be dangerous it depends how a person uses them do not give to children.

[edit on 13-11-2005 by The time lord]

Originally posted by Shaker
In order to stop that particular argument again can you supply the link to the thread? I'm really interested on how much the US and USSR did in the war... Thanks!

All I can say is this:

During WW2:
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Soviet Army destroyed 607 german divisions:
10 mln soldiers, 48000 armored vehicles and tanks, 167000 artillery units.

Allies destroyed 176 divs.

USSR ~75-80%, US ~15%, UK ~10%

Just during one operation on destroying of Army group "Center" in Belorussia (1944), Soviet Army destroyed the same number of german divisions as allies destroyed during the whole period of WW2 on Western front.

Originally posted by WERE_ALL_GONA_DIE
Eventualy the crusades will start again its just a matter of time middle east vs europe,wow would be one for the record books

The middle east wouldn't last 3 months if the western world decided it wanted to completely take over.

Originally posted by Manincloak

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Excuse me? Thats exactly what it means. You may not agree with it, but it does mean - in the end - the US can dictate what it wishes for the most part.

That's called a facist dictatorship.

Which makes this totally true.

No - protecting ones self does not make one a fascist. The US has said that Iran can have nuclear power so long as it is done in a controled way, where nuclear weapons could not be developed/

In fact, Iran agreed to this in treaty! Yet they wish the west of the world to take them on their word after their president has publically led demonstrations and chants of "death to America, death to Isreal!"

Iran isn't like Germany in the 30s....USA is like Germany in the 30s, it wants to tell everyone what they can and cannon do, and anyone they don't like they just invade, making up false evidence to support their war (as with Iraq).

I'm talking about nowdays, not way way back.

And way way back, USSR destroyed Germany, US had little to do with the war over there in europe, little compared to USSR.

And let's not start this argument again...

Iran is exactly like Germany of the 1930's. They are biggoted against Jews. They refuse to adhere to inspections that they themselves agreed to. Their leader is a hate filled radical lead by a beliefe in inate superiority because of creed. The difference is that Iran is not technologically superior to the rest of the world.

The US on the other hand only expects treaties to be followed. In Iraq, peace treaties signed after the invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent retaliation of the US/allied forces were not followed by Saddam. It is a proven fact that he had a covert nuclear weapons program.

The US only asks that Iran live up to it's own signature of a treaty. We ask only that Iran not develope the technology that would be needed to further a nuclear weapons program. This is very reasonable, since they themselves agreed to such, in addition to which their leader publically called for the destruction of two other nations.

As for Russia winning WWII. Yes, they did take the brunt of the German army.

HOwever, Russia was directly reliant on the US for supplies (as was all of Europe). Without the US, Hitler would have beaten all of Europe and Russia in short order. Stalin even admited it himself.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
No - protecting ones self does not make one a fascist.

So, US could invade every country on Earth until it's "fully protected", and you STILL wouldn't call it a fascist sate?

Originally posted by American Mad Man
Iran is exactly like Germany of the 1930's. They are biggoted against Jews. They refuse to adhere to inspections that they themselves agreed to. Their leader is a hate filled radical lead by a beliefe in inate superiority because of creed. The difference is that Iran is not technologically superior to the rest of the world.

The exactly same could be said about America, except the part about hte Jews.

The US on the other hand only expects treaties to be followed. In Iraq, peace treaties signed after the invasion of Kuwait and the subsequent retaliation of the US/allied forces were not followed by Saddam. It is a proven fact that he had a covert nuclear weapons program.

The US only asks that Iran live up to it's own signature of a treaty. We ask only that Iran not develope the technology that would be needed to further a nuclear weapons program. This is very reasonable, since they themselves agreed to such, in addition to which their leader publically called for the destruction of two other nations.

As for Russia winning WWII. Yes, they did take the brunt of the German army.

HOwever, Russia was directly reliant on the US for supplies (as was all of Europe). Without the US, Hitler would have beaten all of Europe and Russia in short order. Stalin even admited it himself.

Originally posted by Manincloak

So, US could invade every country on Earth until it's "fully protected", and you STILL wouldn't call it a fascist sate?

Selective reading?

The fact is that Iran has:

1) AGREED IN TREATY to allow inspections, which they are now not allowing

2) Publically called for the DESTRUCTION OF THE US.

3) Publically PAID TERRORISTS.

When you show me another nation that does these 3 things while trying to develope nuclear power, I will support decisive action being taken.

I don't see any nation in Europe doing this, Russia doing this, China doing this, any nation in south America, etc.

The exactly same could be said about America, except the part about hte Jews.

What inspections has the US agreed to and not allowed concerning weapons systems? Since when has any leader of ours called for any other nation to be "wiped off the face of the earth"?

Bush is a lot of things, but he harbors no such hate or inate belief in racial/religious superiority.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
The fact is that Iran has:

1) AGREED IN TREATY to allow inspections, which they are now not allowing

- Not true.

The IAEA say Iran is meeting her obligations in full.

El-Baradei added that IAEA is getting access to sites that are beyond Iran's treaty obligations, and he added the more transparency that Iran can show, the better.

www.rferl.org...

2) Publically called for the DESTRUCTION OF THE US.

- "Iran" called for this, when?

Or do you mean a bunch of angry people on a demo and people like the current ceremonial Pres reflecting this 26yr+ old rhetoric?

The Ayatollah has gone AMM, stop trying to pretend nothing has changed (.......and like even he did anything beyond the rhetoric).

3) Publically PAID TERRORISTS.

- IIRC they offer money to the families left behind by those who have died in attacking Israel.

That's not quite the same thing, one man's terrorist being another man's freedom fighter and all that.

There was a time when, as far as the UK was concerned, those now revered as great men in the USA were seen as nothing more than the self same kind of murderous 'terrorists' you see in this.

Originally posted by ArchAngel
For every one attacking the root a thousand attack the branches.

Article IV
1. Nothing in this Treaty shall be interpreted as affecting the inalienable right of all the Parties to the Treaty to develop research, production and use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes without discrimination and in conformity with articles I and II of this Treaty.

2. All the Parties to the Treaty undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of equipment, materials and scientific and technological information for the peaceful uses of nuclear energy. Parties to the Treaty in a position to do so shall also cooperate in contributing alone or together with other States or international organizations to the further development of the applications of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, especially in the territories of non-nuclear-weapon States Party to the Treaty, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.

TREATY ON THE NON-PROLIFERATION OF NUCLEAR WEAPONS

Iran has the inalienable right to enrich Uranium for use in its nuclear reactors, and other peaceful purposes.

Anyone who thinks that their intent is anything more should show some proof.

No matter what you may personally believe the idea that they are planning to produce Weapons Grade Uranium is supposition only.

Iran has gone above and beyond any nation in the world by allowing more invasive inspections.

Expectations beyond the freedoms granted NPT signatories with hostile words deny America the moral high ground.

America needs to quit attacking Iran, and instead attack the NPT because the only nations not covered by it already have nukes....

No one dares look at the legal end of it because America is using the right of a Veto wielding Security Council member to invade and conquer where and when they please to impose restrictions upon established treaties.

The entire world is watching. Put the shoe on the other foot and see.

By demanding under threat of invasion that Iran give up what it is entitled to as an IAEA signatory the foundations of the treaty threaten to fall out.

It could result in numerous nations withdrawing, and an even greater threat of proliferation.

Bush is a lot of things, but he harbors no such hate or inate belief in racial/religious superiority.

Bush claims that God speaks to him....

Originally posted by ArchAngel
Bush claims that God speaks to him....

And because some one feels that God speaks to them, they have a feeling of religous superiority?

That is a leap if ever I have seen one.

Originally posted by American Mad Man
The fact is that Iran has:

1) AGREED IN TREATY to allow inspections, which they are now not allowing

They are allowing many things, but honestly this is turning into a damn reality TV show which set itself up in Iran's behind...I would imagine they are getting pretty sick of it

Originally posted by American Mad Man2) Publically called for the DESTRUCTION OF THE US.

Their president called for the destruction of Israel.

Originally posted by American Mad Man3) Publically PAID TERRORISTS.

No, families of terrorists whom have died attacking Israel. The families didn't do anything wrong...why should they have to live without loved ones and an income?

Originally posted by American Mad Man
What inspections has the US agreed to and not allowed concerning weapons systems? Since when has any leader of ours called for any other nation to be "wiped off the face of the earth"?

The US doesn't have to disallow inspections.
It is foolish to say that it's anywhere near possible to search the whole country for hidden nuclear arms and bases.

As for George W. Bush, it's clear as black and white that he wants the destruction of just about every country on this planet, and will get his way at all costs.

Originally posted by American Mad ManBush is a lot of things, but he harbors no such hate or inate belief in racial/religious superiority.

Yes he does, he is a fascist...he so is!!!