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Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
Yes, Japanese Kanji script comes from Chinese script. So they do share that aspect of their language. You were mocking me? Why?
Oh Lordy. Someone explain this to him. Next.
Even if you did? I thought a second ago you were pretty sure you didn't? You never took Afghanistan over, duuuuude. Why are they talking of sending troops back if the job hasn't been done yet? Oh wait a second, the US did remember to secure the pipelines and the poppy fields though. Get your priorities straight anyway.
Nope. Can't say I have. Is it famous in America? Is it like one of those "send in your money - get a degree" type colleges or one of those frat party type affairs?
Hooray for you! Pity about the karmic debt, though......
Yep, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
I'll concede you this excellent point. But I put this back to you. Why are you afraid of nuclear terrorism when no terrorist organisation has ever detonated a nuclear device either? Do you really need to detonate a device to become a nuclear power?
There is a Weaponry Forum for these types of questions. I would rather not get into a debate about jets and missiles and crap with people clutching the latest Janes Defence Weekly in their sweaty mitts, ready to jump on my back if I get the thrust pressure wrong or something.
But since you asked so earnestly, I will give you this. China is a big country. It has a well defended coastline. It can spread things around enough to make the missions too costly and dangerous. It doesn't matter if you have the latest fandangled aircraft if they can't hit anything.
By the way you didn't answer my friendly fire question. Quid pro quo.
Yes, good point. However you banded together like a flock of sheep and have been running around hither and thither wherever the sheepdog media barked at you to make you go ever since. I wouldn't be very proud of that.
Now they might not put too much emphasis on reading in that University you go to, but I will refer you to the cliff notes of this discussion where I pointed out the futility and improbability of a Chinese invasion of the US. Someone else brought it up and I reacted in a similar fashion to you, i.e. greeting it with incredulity and derision.
Yes, I'm so lucky. Rainbows and chocolate rivers, gum drop trees. Common sense and a sense of humour, so take the ad hominem down a notch, okay bud?
Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
In a real life situation just saying you are superior is setting yourself up for a fall. Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
If they were competent they would have been finished in Iraq a long time ago, never mind the mess they are in now. If what the media had told them was true the Iraqi people would have been showering their saviours with flower petals to bless the passage home of their liberators.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Correct me if I am wrong, but the US is the nation with the MOST real life experience.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Agreed. About Nukes. But Japan have a very healthy aerospace sector. Remember that only one country has suffered nuclear attack. That kinda makes them virulently anti-nuke.
Healthy aerospace? What home grown missles capable of delivering a nuclear war head do they have?
They'd probably shoot the slow, lumbering beasts out of the sky with impunity and far more ease than the Vietnamese did. And they didn't exactly find it hard. Do you know how many combat jets the PLAAF has? Let alone SAMs.
Ohhh yeah - they have plenty of aircraft, the problem is that the vast majority of them are completely obsolete. The US Navy alone could take their air force, never mind the USAF.
I love how you denigrate all forces but your own. The US are not the best military in the world.
Name me a better one.
They cannot fight asymmetric conflicts, that has been proven twice before and is being proven at the moment.
Excuse me?
The US has lost less then 1% of the service men that have fought in Iraq. LESS THEN 1%!
I challange you to find me any other conflict with less then 10% casualties that the US has not fought in.
In the event of war China can mobilise and arm 100% of its adult population of military age. That's what the People's Auxilliary Forces are for.
That is a completely false statement.
They have nearly 700 million people that are of military age. You think they have 700 million AKs?
Their air force is decades behind the US. They have no blue water Navy. No modern armor...
And Chinas numerical advantage would be more then made up for by US air superiority.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
If you can put a satellite in space, you can give a nuke to your neighbour without too much difficulty.
Their Shenyang jets are newer than the Mig 21s and 23s the Viets shot your F4s down with. Their SAMs are newer than the ones the Viets shot your B52s down with.
You don't have enough Raptors to protect B52s on carpet-bombing raids. Not against the Su 30 Flankers, J11 Flankers, J10s, J8 Finbacks and J7 Fishbeds.
IDF.
UK.
There's two.
OK, who wins, head to head?
US vs Isreal.
US vs UK.
US both times, and it's not even close. If you can't beat us, your not as good.
Really, then the country should be completely stable, with a growing economy and improving infrastructure, an increasing life expectancy, decreasing child mortality rate and improving school enrollments and higher education graduation levels.
Oh, it looks like US casualties are not a measure of US success after all.
Things come in time. Talk to me in 15-20 years, because that is when you are going to be able to make an informed judgement.
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Try the Falklands. Try Malaya. Try the Indonesian Confrontation.
Asymetric conflicts the US has lost:
Vietnam.
Somalia.
Asymmetric conflicts the US is currently deployed to and is not winning:
Iraq.
Ever heard of the Simonov, the Degtyarev, the PPS, the PPSh? How about the RPG 3 and RPG 7? The DsHK? These are not AK 47s.
You're coming to them, they don't need a blue water navy, just a bunch of FACs.
Type 98 tanks, anybody? They may not have that many of them, but then, they don't have to wade ashore first, either.
Soviet General of Artillery to Soviet General of Cavalry after meeting in Paris:
"By the way, who won the air war?"
Do you remember how long Serbia held out against your air superiority? And that was Serbia, not 1.6 billion Chinese.
By the end of the Serbian/Kosovo air war, the US had almost run out of servicable aircraft stores. The Air Staff had to do a massive re-think of everything.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Care to quantify that? The US is only a couple of hundred years old. The UK is four hundred years old. Scotland is older than that and England and China are over a thousand years old.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
If you can put a satellite in space, you can give a nuke to your neighbour without too much difficulty.
I dissagree.
There are vast differences in the technology. Vast differences.
Their jets aren't even an issue.
As for sams, I would point to aircraft such as Rivet Joint in addition to stealth technology neutralizing SAMs.
We could take them with F-15s, 16s, and 18s.
On top of that, it would be a matter of days before every single air strip was destroyed by cruise missles. That is the part everyone seems to be forgetting.
IDF.
UK.
There's two.
OK, who wins, head to head?
US vs Isreal.
US vs UK.
US both times, and it's not even close. If you can't beat us, your not as good.
Try the Falklands. Try Malaya. Try the Indonesian Confrontation.
Wow. 3 other ones in the history of man.
The US could sit back indefinatly and just bomb China into the stone age if it chose.
You think the US would need to land by water?
Take a look at a map of Asia, and then look at what nations that share a boarder have US bases in them. Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan all have or will have in the next year, US military bases.
Soviet General of Artillery to Soviet General of Cavalry after meeting in Paris:
"By the way, who won the air war?"
Do you remember how long Serbia held out against your air superiority? And that was Serbia, not 1.6 billion Chinese.
By the end of the Serbian/Kosovo air war, the US had almost run out of servicable aircraft stores. The Air Staff had to do a massive re-think of everything.
Different situation.
In a full scale war with China, different ROE would be used and the US industrial capacity would be mobalized for war.
Originally posted by HowlrunnerIV
Really? If the Germans hadn't hit London with V2s you wouldn't have gone to the moon.
How many Rivet Joints you got? How many SAMS they got?
Uh-huh. We're talking Flankers here. Not Fitters and Farmers. These aren't pushovers.
I really doubt the PLAAF are forgetting that. I really doubt you have enough Tomahawks to do that. Can you also take out every straight piece of highway in the country?
Yes, who wins head to head. Lets put a regiment of UK soldiers up against a regiment of US troops.
Lets put the IDF Paras up against the 82nd Airborne.
Factor in the support that both would get and the US wins.
Or Israeli cavalry up against US cavalry.
Again, with the support that the US has they would win decisively.
Yes, if you take 1 US soldier and 1 from another nation, everyone has a chance to win, but that aint the real world.
In the real world, you have the US with 5 times the man power and 20-30 times the air power. The US won't even engage an enemy untill it has pounded them from the air for a while.
Again, compare the whole military.
Who can beat the US Air Force, the US Navy, and the US Army all at once?
No one.
You only said to name one.
And that was my point. You can count the number of times on one hand.
You might want to check how many aircraft you've got versus how many aircraft they've got, coupled with how many SAMS they've got, not to mention AAA before you go making these claims. This isn't Iraq you're talking about.
Yeah, they have numbers with low technology and low training, and poor support systems.
It would be a turkey shoot for the US.
Really, I'll just tell the commander of the 10th Mountain that your brilliant plan is he hike all the way to Beijing from Bishkek.
If you want to take China's industrial heartland you'd better start counting your LSTs.
Again, who said anything about an invasion? The US wouldn't need to. With Chinas cities and military devistated, the US could just sit back and keep up the pressure.
Did you read the bit about all stores used up? Doesn't matter what your ROE are if you have no bullets left to shoot. You can't switch from civilian, peacetime economy to war production that quickly.
So now the US doesn't have any weapons?
Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Incompetant?
Yeah right, our brave soldiers, sailors and airmen are the best trained and best equipped in the world. Who cares what this little Chihuahua says about our troops.
He is a little barking dog who is free and alive today because of the protection America provided Japan.
It amazes me that he has risen so high on sheer rhetoric, IMO he is good for scrubbing urinals and nothing more.
Originally posted by LA_Maximus
Incompetant?
Yeah right, our brave soldiers, sailors and airmen are the best trained and best equipped in the world. Who cares what this little Chihuahua says about our troops.
He is a little barking dog who is free and alive today because of the protection America provided Japan. It amazes me that he has risen so high on sheer rhetoric, IMO he is good for scrubbing urinals and nothing more.
Maximu§
Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
The only protection America provided Japan is the illusion of competence. Japan wants you gone, so why don't you just go?
Originally posted by American Mad Man
If the US is so incompetent, surely you can name a single military that could beat us 1 on 1, with all resources available.
Originally posted by devilwasp
English football fans.....
The single most disruptive and destructive force on this earth with out a doubt.
Originally posted by devilwasp
Originally posted by American Mad Man
If the US is so incompetent, surely you can name a single military that could beat us 1 on 1, with all resources available.
English football fans.....
The single most disruptive and destructive force on this earth with out a doubt.
Originally posted by devilwasp
English football fans.....
The single most disruptive and destructive force on this earth with out a doubt.
Originally posted by LA_Maximus
and thats why what happened in France could never happen in England, but thats another thread.
Max
Originally posted by American Mad Man
It's pretty clear that you have an agenda to insult the US military here.
I ask you this:
If the US is so incompetent, surely you can name a single military that could beat us 1 on 1, with all resources available.
Originally posted by howmuchisthedoggy
Well, Vietnam and Somalia both had no real military and they handed your butt back to you on a plate. I wouldn't say you are winning in Iraq right now and I see you running away from that as soon as you have a good excuse.