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Originally posted by crusader
Hmm, The devil didn't even had an ounce of God's plan for salvation. Remember God's plan for salvation was in exsitence before the Creation of the world. Does the story of the flood in other Cultures, especially those that do not belong to Judea Christian sphere, copy the original or what? explain that to me. Or was it the other way around?
Originally posted by crusader
Thanks for that bit of scientific info... but I want to ask you a question? may I? Do you believe in the KJV Bible? and if yes why?
Originally posted by crusader
There's currently a thread ongoing on ATs, on the aspect of christianity is a bunch of mix up, i will not called it Pagan Myths, maybe it's true, maybe it's not, i can't say at this point. But... I want to stress this out. almost all legends, whether, Christianity, Judaisim, Greek, egyptian, whatever, told of a Flood story, why is that?
Originally posted by shot messenger
the bible is just a collection of texts that king james and some genius' thought divine and others were scrapped. there is alot of ancient text that has since proven itself to be inspired. too bad people can't read all the ancient texts. theres more than the apocrapha too.
Originally posted by sexymon
hmmmm......had to get in on this one.........after reading all the raving and ranting and opinions, it
s now time for my two cents worth. Jesus was here, as were all thos eother profits. I believe the star of Bethlehem was extraterrestrial. Mary was ipregnated by extraterrestrials, and the resulting baby Jesus was a half breed sent to teach spirituality. This is my belief based on my "experience" in aerospace "projects." And one more thing.....just because this may be true shouldn't change the devotions of Christians to who they call "Savior."
I am a Christian with a different view.....
So thats the basis of christianity starting through Paul, Mark, Matthew, luke and john.
But the basic story of Jesus'is one of many simlar storys, Attis of Phrygia, Dionysus/Bacchus, Horus/Osiris of Egypt, Krishna of India, Mithra of Persia, Zoroaster/Zarathustra.
so why do christians believe the Jesus story is real and the others myths?
The Christian fathers resorted to the explanation that the Devil himself had created these other near identical religions prior to the alleged time of Jesus to decieve the masses so they would reject the true religion of Christianity
as being just a copycat of these already existing religions.
I can not come to terms with the answer to that question,
And i cant come to terms about the story of Jesus,
Dont you think its time for questions to be answered and a serious debate?
And to stop telling the kids they will go to Hell if they Deny the Holy Spirit, Christians are in a daze, google eyed singing there
hymes, Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching of to War
God help us
We Jews and Church Leaders have known since the beginning of Christianity that it was synthesized by the Roman Piso family for the purpose of maintaining control over the masses and to placate slaves. And, this is why we Jews are the "Chosen People" and why we have endured so much for so many years; we are witnesses to the lie.
The New Testament, the Church, and Christianity, were all the creation of the Calpurnius Piso (pronounced Peso w/ long "E") family (a), who were Roman aristocrats. The New Testament and all the characters in it--Jesus, all the Josephs, all the Marys, all the disciples, apostles, Paul, and John the Baptist--are all fictional.
Judaism's ethics and morality were incompatible with the hallowed Roman institution of slavery on which the aristocracy fed, lived and ruled. They feared that Judaism would become the chief religion of the empire...Repeatedly, religious-minded Judaean zealots were staging insurrections against the Herodian rulers of Judaea who were Piso's wife's relations. Piso wished to strengthen his wife's family's control of the Judaeans. The Pisos searched for a solution to the two problems. They found it in the Jewish holy books, which were the foundation both for the rapid spread of the religion and for the zealot's refusal to be governed by Rome's puppets. The Pisos mocked, but marveled at, the Jewish belief in their holy books. Therefore, they felt a new "Jewish" book would be the ideal method to pacify the Judaeans and strengthen their in-laws' control of the country.
The techniques and staging will vary from church to church. Many use
"speaking in tongues" to generate catharsis in some while the
spectacle creates intense excitement in the observers.
The use of hypnotic techniques by religions is sophisticated, and
professionals are assuring that they become even more effective. A
man in Los Angeles is designing, building, and reworking a lot of
churches around the country. He tells ministers what they need and
how to use it. This man's track record indicates that the
congregation and the monetary income will double if the minister
follows his instructions. He admits that about 80 percent of his
efforts are in the sound system and lighting.
Powerful sound and the proper use of lighting are of primary
importance in inducing an altered state of consciousnes--I've been
using them for years in my own seminars. However, my participants
are fully aware of the process and what they can expect as a
result of their participation.
Many of these trainers have become personal friends, and it scares
us all to have experienced the power of one person with a
microphone and a room full of people. Add a little charisma and
you can count on a high percentage of conversions. The sad truth
is that a high percentage of people want to give away their power-
-they are true "believers"! Cult gatherings or human-potential
trainings are an ideal environment to observe first-hand what is
technically called the "Stockholm Syndrome." This is a situation
in which those who are intimidated, controlled, or made to suffer,
begin to love, admire, and even sometimes sexually desire their
controllers or captors.......
But let me inject a word of warning here: If you think you can
attend such gatherings and not be affected, you are probably
wrong. A perfect example is the case of a woman who went to Haiti
on a Guggenheim Fellowship to study Haitian Voodoo. In her report,
she related how the music eventually induced uncontrollable bodily
movement and an altered state of consciousness. Although she
understood the process and thought herself above it, when she
began to feel herself become vulnerable to the music, she
attempted to fight it and turned away. Anger or resistance almost
always assures conversion. A few moments later she was possessed
by the music and began dancing in a trance around the Voodoo
meeting house. A brain phase had been induced by the music and
excitement, and she awoke feeling reborn. The only hope of
attending such gatherings without being affected is to be a Buddha
and allow no positive or negative emotions to surface. Few people
are capable of such detachment.
The following pages are selected portions of another report on this website, The False Gospel in the Stars, which is an expose of the astrological signs that will be used to validate the credentials of the Antichrist and False Prophet. Many projections concerning the identities of these personages are often disinformation calculated to deceive. Adding to the general ignorance, there is little information coming forth in the way of exposure of the Merovingian dynasty as the Satanic bloodline from which the Antichrist and False Prophet will come. Whatever lipservice is paid to this subject is usually accompanied by enough misinformation to keep the masses of Christians ignorant of the truth.
Yet the Bible presents specific evidence concerning the identities of the Antichrist and False Prophet, the Mark of the Beast, Mystery Babylon the Great and other entities that will be imperative for God’s elect to recognize during the Tribulation Period. For instance, Revelation 13:1, which identifies the Antichrist as “the beast that rises out of the sea,” becomes crystal clear upon discovery that a demonic bloodline that exists today that was originally sired by a mysterious “sea beast”—the Bistea Neptunis. Merovingian authors like Laurence Gardner inform their readers about the demonic bloodline of the Bistea Neptunis in New Age books such as Bloodline of the Holy Grail:
“It was the Arcadian legacy that was responsible for the the mysterious sea beast - the Bistea Neptunis - as symbolically defined in the Merovingian ancestry. The relevant sea-lord was King Pallas, a god of old Arcadia. His predecessor was the great Oceanus. The immortal sea-lord was said to be ‘ever-incarnate in a dynasty of ancient kings’ whose symbol was a fish...” (p. 175)
This demonic creature was Neptune, the mythological god of the sea who is said to have founded Atlantis, which is the pagan version of the pre-flood civilization which God judged in Genesis 7. Genesis 6:1-4 describes the intermarriage of mankind with demons:
“And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.”
It is possible that the cursed seed of the serpent continued after the Deluge through Noah’s son Ham. (Gen. 9:25) Gardner and other Merovingian authors claim there is a living descendant of this demonic bloodline who will one day rule over a revived Atlantis.
If the Bistea Neptunis is “ever-incarnate in a dynasty of ancient kings,” who is the living descendant of this Beast? The high cabal of the Merovingians is the Prieuré de Sion in Paris which directs all other secret societies worldwide. Yet the Grand Master of the Prieuré de Sion remains largely unknown, except to New Agers whose network of secret societies functions as an occult underground. This most powerful individual on earth is well-hidden from the masses until the time appointed when, as the Scripture foretells, “that man of sin shall be revealed.” (II Thess. 2:3)
We believe that New Agers already know the identity of the False Christ, the False Prophet and various other Tribulation counterfeits through their study of astrology, as interpreted by a large body of occult tradition and the current propaganda proliferating through New Age publications. There is no reason that Christians, given the same information available to New Agers, and aided by a right understanding of Bible prophecy, cannot discern and rightly interpret this end-time enigma. The alternative is to be at the mercy of a massive disinformation campaign that is being conducted within the Christian community by the same New Age network which is planning the destruction of Christianity and return of mankind to paganism.
Then Bartholomew said to him: "How (is it that) was designated in the Gospel 'Man' and 'Son of Man'? To which of them, then, is this Son related?"
The Holy One said to him: "I want you to know that First Man is called 'Begetter, Self-perfected Mind'. He reflected with Great Sophia, his consort, and revealed his first-begotten, androgynous son. His male name is designated 'First Begetter, Son of God', his female name, 'First Begettress Sophia, Mother of the Universe'. Some call her 'Love'. Now First-begotten is called 'Christ'. Since he has authority from his father, he created a multitude of angels without number for retinue from Spirit and Light."
The word "Lucifer" in Isaiah 14:12 presents a minor problem to mainstream Christianity. It becomes a much larger problem to Bible literalists, and becomes a huge obstacle for the claims of Mormonism. John J. Robinson in A Pilgrim's Path, pp. 47-48 explains:
"Lucifer makes his appearance in the fourteenth chapter of the Old Testament book of Isaiah, at the twelfth verse, and nowhere else: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
The first problem is that Lucifer is a Latin name. So how did it find its way into a Hebrew manuscript, written before there was a Roman language? To find the answer, I consulted a scholar at the library of the Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. What Hebrew name, I asked, was Satan given in this chapter of Isaiah, which describes the angel who fell to become the ruler of hell?
The answer was a surprise. In the original Hebrew text, the fourteenth chapter of Isaiah is not about a fallen angel, but about a fallen Babylonian king, who during his lifetime had persecuted the children of Israel. It contains no mention of Satan, either by name or reference. The Hebrew scholar could only speculate that some early Christian scribes, writing in the Latin tongue used by the Church, had decided for themselves that they wanted the story to be about a fallen angel, a creature not even mentioned in the original Hebrew text, and to whom they gave the name "Lucifer."
Why Lucifer? In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star (the star we now know by another Roman name, Venus). The morning star appears in the heavens just before dawn, heralding the rising sun. The name derives from the Latin term lucem ferre, bringer, or bearer, of light." In the Hebrew text the expression used to describe the Babylonian king before his death is Helal, son of Shahar, which can best be translated as "Day star, son of the Dawn." The name evokes the golden glitter of a proud king's dress and court (much as his personal splendor earned for King Louis XIV of France the appellation, "The Sun King").
The scholars authorized by ... King James I to translate the Bible into current English did not use the original Hebrew texts, but used versions translated ... largely by St. Jerome in the fourth century. Jerome had mistranslated the Hebraic metaphor, "Day star, son of the Dawn," as "Lucifer," and over the centuries a metamorphosis took place. Lucifer the morning star became a disobedient angel, cast out of heaven to rule eternally in hell. Theologians, writers, and poets interwove the myth with the doctrine of the Fall, and in Christian tradition Lucifer is now the same as Satan, the Devil, and --- ironically --- the Prince of Darkness.
So "Lucifer" is nothing more than an ancient Latin name for the morning star, the bringer of light. That can be confusing for Christians who identify Christ himself as the morning star, a term used as a central theme in many Christian sermons. Jesus refers to himself as the morning star in Revelation 22:16: "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
And so there are those who do not read beyond the King James version of the Bible, who say 'Lucifer is Satan: so says the Word of God'...." /69cn
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Gustave Dore's depiction of Satan from John Milton's Paradise Lost
Satan (שָׂטָן Standard Hebrew Satan, Latin Sátanas, Tiberian Hebrew Śāṭān; Aramaic שִׂטְנָא Śiṭnâ: both words mean "Adversary; accuser") is an angel, demon, or minor god in many religions. Satan plays various roles in the Hebrew Bible, the Apocrypha and the New Testament. In the Hebrew Bible, Satan is an angel that God uses to test man for various reasons usually dealing with his level of piety (i.e. the test in the Book of Job). In the Apocrypha and New Testament, Satan is portrayed as an evil, rebellious demon who is the enemy of God and mankind. These two ideals are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
In modern Abrahamic religions and other various mythology, Satan is generally viewed as a preternatural entity who is the central embodiment of evil. Satan is also commonly known as the Devil (Latin Diábolus, Diaboli, from Greek Diabolos), the "Prince of Darkness," Beelzebub (direct translation is Lord of the Flies), Belial, Mephistopheles, or Lucifer. In the Talmud and some works of Kabbalah Satan is sometimes called Samael; however most Jewish literature is of the opinion that Samael is a separate angel. In the fields of angelology and demonology these different names sometimes refer to a number of different angels and demons, and there is significant disagreement as to whether any of these entities is actually evil.
In Islam, the role of the primary demon who seduces Adam and Eve is laid upon Iblis, on whose origin the Quran does not elaborate. By refusing to prostrate himself before Adam as Allah commanded him to do, he was cast from the grace of Allah and was sent to earth along with Adam and Eve, where he vowed to lure as much as possible of their offspring into sin and hence make them worthy of accompanying him to Hell, where he was destined after doomsday, in order to prove that Man was not better than he was.
December 13, 2000 - George Bush Jr. Becomes the 43rd President of the United States. Confirmed member Skull and Bones. George W. Admits to being a Member of The Skull and Bones to Time Magazine Also a member of the Council On Foreign Relations. Confirmed Mason. Bush is closely related to every European monarch on and off the throne -- including the King of Albania -- and has kinship with every member of Britain's royal family, the House of Windsor. He is a 13th cousin of Britain's Queen Mother, and of her daughter Queen Elizabeth and is a 13th cousin once removed of the heir to the throne, Prince Charles. Bush's family tree can be documented as far back as the early 15th century. He has a direct descent from Henry III and from Henry VIII's sister Mary Tudor, who was also the wife of Louis XI of France. He is also descended from Charles II of England.
Since it’s creation, America has been the empire for the freemasonic plan. Through war, politics and it’s global media and entertainment industry it has taken over the world and has established the New World order….the Antichrist system.
These Aliens are proportional in size to modern humans.
They have a snake like or lizard appearance.
The information about these creatures varies from source to source. Supposedly they consider their ancient outpost and want to have complete control over it because their planet is unable to adequately support life. The Greys are supposedly subservient to the Reptilians.
Humans should feel threatened by them.
They have been breeding with you and living amongst you for centuries.
They are Humanoid in shape and Reptilian in heritage.
Their leader Elite are the Draconis. They are from Draco in the Six Star Constellation Orion.
Orion is the 16th Galaxy, shares within and lies partly in the 17th and 18th galaxy, The Milky way. These Reptilians stand from 8 feet down to 6 feet in height, with dark green scaly skin. Their leader is Haaton, a warrior, who is a Draconian. He is a Reptilian who defected from them while on Earth and reformed to fight against The Reptilians, on behalf of humans. He is the commander of Ashtar command. The Ashtar command are beings from The Pleiades and Aldebaran Constellation.
There are 16 different kinds of reptilians seen these days by abductees. They are all cold blooded and have to have a balanced environment to maintain body temperature. The "soldier class" species can bury themselves in the ground and wait long periods of time in order to ambush there enemy. These reptoids have scales which protect them from moisture loss. They have long thin arms reaching just above the knees. At the end of these long arms they have 3 webbed fingers with and opposing thumb. The Serpent race lives underground. The reptilian species direct the efforts of the worker class which are about 4 feet tall. These are currently referred to as Greys or EBE's (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities), and are the largest group of E.T.'s to be encountered by the surface humans.
David Icke wrote: "In a remarkable period of 15 days as I travelled, around the United States in 1998, I met more than a dozen separate people who told me of how they had seen humans transform into reptiles and go back again in front of their eyes. Two television presenters had just such an experience while interviewing, a man who was in favour of the global centralisation of power known as the New World Order. After the live interview, the male presenter said to his colleague that he had experienced an amazing sight during the interview. He had seen the man's face transform into a lizard-like creature and then return to human. His female fellow presenter was astounded because she had seen the interviewee's hands turn reptilian. The male presenter also told me of an experience a policeman friend had while making a routine visit: to an office block in Aurora, near Denver, Colorado. The policeman had commented to an executive of one of the companies on the ground: floor of the extreme nature of security in the building. She told him he should look at the higher floors if he wanted to know how extensive it really was.
Originally posted by crusader
Can you all remember Pope Leo X statement, or famous quote? Drop a line here.
Originally posted by Magickman
I would like to say what I think about this thread.
Originally posted by Magickman
The Christians call their Diety as follows: Father, Son, and holy ghost. Holy ghost? And it is decidedly male. Three males are their God, who is not only out there in Heaven, but also was here on Earth as God Incarnante. what happened to the Great Mother, the Goddess?
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
I cannot help but to feel that the life and death of Jesus has been twisted into something that was not what it was intended for. I cannot put Jesus on the same level as the creator. I cannot buy into the sin belief either. It is a contrling force and religion should not be about control. Religion should be about spiritual develpment and education. Not like a life insurance fear based sales pitch. I think it has become something sort of evil.
Originally posted by iamian
As Christians, dont you believe that the story of Jesus is a little bit sketchy
to say the least, the story of Jesus was'nt written untill 40 years after the event, plus it was a story derived years earlyer by many other Saviours,
Firstly the Virgin Mother, 25th dec, Crucifixtion, the ressurection and then the Accending,
the Kids are taught all about his Miricles and the Suffering he enjured all for us, they are not encouraged to be open minded, any Doubt and they will be dammed, your Brainwashing are kids, with a load of nonsense, and the ppl in power of the world are doing it to you, and have been since it all began.