As Christians, dont you believe that the story of Jesus is a little bit sketchy
to say the least, the story of Jesus was'nt written untill 40 years after the event,
However some of the early church fathers were students of the apostles themselves.
plus it was a story derived years earlyer by many other Saviours,
You can't state its derived from it, whether or not its derived is what you are trying to get it.
Firstly the Virgin Mother
But look, most pagan hero-gods weren't born of virgins. Dionysus was born from Zeus's thigh, Hercule's mother was already another man's wife and
Zeus tricked her into having sex with him, Tammuz's mother is Ishtar, who's not a virgin, and is also her lover.
I'll agree that there are similarities, but this isn't a sufficient one.
I think that everyone can pretty much agree that this is irrelevant one way or the other. Its not integral to the 'mythos' anyway.
I agree, this is a very strong connection. Innanna dies and withers upon a pole, osiris's corpse is supspended in a tree, and, very controversially,
there are some representations of orpheus as being crucified, upon a cross, but
it looks like that might be post christianity. However
used by the romans, and its a far stretch to say that there's a story about a rebelious jew being crucified because of other
global myths about a hero-on-a-stick. Doesn't seem unreasonable to say that, regardless of divinity, that a group of jews had their hero executed in
a typical roman fashion.
the ressurection and then the Accending
These sorts of things are just too common and general to be relevant. Also, it does seem that most scholars-theologists agree that christianity is
strongly rooted within Judaism, rather than paganism.
your Brainwashing are kids, with a load of nonsense
You're really not going to get to have a good discussion with most people if you keep calling them stupid ignorami who brainwash their children.
I personally think the term WAR is a spin-word because the phrase 'Spiritual Struggle' isn't as pithy
Intersting to note that this is the same sort of thing we hear about Jihad. Not trying to be critical, just noting this.
Nowhere in the Bible are we instructed to celebrate Jesus' birth.
This hardly means that one shouldn't. Tho I thought that there was specific passage that says to specifically not celebrate birthdays and
anniversaries or any holidays?
And Constantine was the first pope because he's the one that more or less got Catholicism started.
Agian, this is utterly incorrect. Catholicism didn't exist before Constantine nor after him. Constantine was an orthodoxic christian, everyone was
orthodoxic, the Great Schism hadn't occured yet, and Constantine was not a holy official of any sort. Indeed, he could've claimed to be by virtue
of the emperor being high preist of the roman world, but he didn't. He was not the first pope nor did he start catholicism.
The Church is made up of true believers--it's not any one denomination.
And what one accepts as the definition of a 'true beleiver' is what sets up denominations. You are saying that catholics corrupted the faith by
worshipping jesus and having holy days. They still beleive in jesus as saviour, so why aren't the part of the christian church? And if only beleive
in jesus as saviour is required, then lots of typically non-christians would be included within the church, including people that the apostles
excluded from the church.
paul, twisted the whole concept of Christianity.
No he didn't, certainly the apostles who personally knew jesus while he was alive and saw him die and ressurect didn't think so.
Does anyone have an idea of the Nicene Council, and what took place there?
Yes, and if you
had an idea of what it was about, you wouldn't even mention the pope, since the RCC didn't exist yet, nor, I daresay,
beleive that the bible was 'formed' then, or any of that 'nonesense'.
here are some excellent threads on these subjects, which should provide some good information for anyone intersted in their topics, but by all means,
lets also continue the discussion here, perhaps without calling eacher ignorant idiots and deceived hellspawn?
Questions about the bible
Historicity of christ
Council of Nicea - NO reincarnation, NO books of the Bible
Crucified Orpheus Discussion
Constantine and the Council
Early Writer's who could've mentioned Jesus
Reincarnation and the Bible
And just to be clear I don't necessarily endorse any of the opinions in those threads ('cept my own of course)
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