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reply posted on 27-4-2004 @ 11:42 PM by Tamahu
Now bear in mind that my following answers, are based on my taking of "What We Teach" on face value. The "What We Teach" of the N.G.E. may hold an esoteric meaning(s) like the 120 Lessons do(see my links again).

Originally posted by worldwatcher
1. That black people are the original people of the planet earth.
the problem with this statement is that no matter how likely and possible it is, there is no irrefuteable proof of that and the original people could have been arabs instead of blacks.


I don't think that skeletal evidence agrees with this. But some say that THE original man resembled a very dark skinned South-Eastern Indian(Dravidian perhaps?). Either way, that would count as being a "black" man. Many anthropologists would agree that the oldest homo sapiens sapiens would have been very similiar in physical make-up to a Ku#e. Ancient Greek historians also said that the Ku#es lived in India, "Africa" and the "Middle East".

And according to the N.O.I.; anybody who is not "white", is "black". At least that's what Malcolm X said in one of his speeches when he was a member.

2. That black people are the fathers and mothers of civilization.
Different civilizations developed all over the world by people of different color


Yeah but there was ONE origin for all of them.

4. Islam is a natural way of life, not a religion. that phrase can be said of any religion or doctrine. purely subjective.


I'll just say "fair enough" for now.

5. That education should be fashioned to enable us to be self sufficient as a people.
now what exactly does that mean? does it mean that we should only learn how to grow our own food, make our own clothes...be self-sufficient on ourselves...is knowledge of other subjects off limits? it sounds good, but I don't quite understand what they mean by it.


I'm pretty sure that they just mean not to depend on the "white" man.

There is no heirarchy in the N.G.E.

Most members study almost ALL things.

That latter is actually encouraged in The Nation.

7. That the blackman is god and his proper name is ALLAH. Arm, Leg, Leg, Arm, Head.
hmmm, without trying to come across negatively about Islam, and this phrase, I'll just say I disagree with the statement.


Fair enough; but if you read my links you'll see that there is a deeper meaning to that.

9. That the unified black family is the vital building block of the nation.
again subjective, you could say any unified family is the vital building block of a nation, not just a unified black family. I don't disagree with the message, just the specific wording of it.


What is a "black family" though?

Do you think that The Nation of Gods and Earths limits "the black family" to Merotic Africans?

I'll say emphatically that they don't.




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reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 01:57 AM by Muaddib
Tamahu, all of that is just your opinion and that of those sects or groups you seem to be affiliated with.

This is what I have come to think happened and which some will say it is also just my opinion, in which case they might be right, but the evidence is still there, at least in ancient lore.

One of the civilizations that we know about and almost have their original texts and history intact, is that of the Hindu.

Reading their Vedic scriptures we see evidence that they had been very advanced a long time ago, and that according to their texts, nuclear wars seemed to have put them and most of the Earth back to the stone age once more, also extreme natural disasters helped to erase most of the evidence of these past technologies and ancient cities.

The vedic scriptures say that the Gods and Godesses possesed better craft or discus extremely more advanced than the vimanas the Indians had.

These kind of stories, the ones that say some entities which seemed to have visited the Earth and which ancient people called Gods/Godesses, is not just found in one place or culture, but all over the Earth. It is not too hard to see the connection between the same aerial ships that we still see these days which can defy every law of nature we know of.

Even the Celts talk about these ancient beings which came from the sky. According to legend, the Tuatha De Danaan or the children of the Godess Danu, came from the stars. Althou the origins of the Tuatha De Danaan seems to be mythical, as there are many descriptions on how they appeared on Erie, like almost every other ancient story, if you come to read many of the passages of these people's texts, you might see that they were trying to explain something that the Celts themselves did not understand, as well as most ancient cultures.

In the Magical Stone of Tara, Conn of the Hundred Battles is said to have watched the skies every evening to make sure that no hostile aerial beings would descend upon the lands of Eire.

"One evening Conn repaired at sunrise to the battlements of the Ri Raith or Royal fortress at Tara, accompanied by his three Druids, Mael, Bloc, and Bluicné, and his three poets, Ethain, Corb, and Cesare; for he was accustomed every day to repair to this place with the same company, for the purpose of watching the firmament, that no hostile aerial beings should descend upon Erin unknown to him."

Excerpt taken from.
www.sacred-texts.com...

Erin and Erie were some of the ancient names of Ireland.
The Druid Amergin gave the name of Erie to Ireland after one of the daughters of the kings of the Tuatha asked the Druid to name the island after her.

According to the Celtic texts, there were giants in Ireland called fomorians before the Tuatha De Danaan and before the Celts fought the Tuatha in Erie.

If you want to use the bible, even there you find references of giants existing in Earth before men and after, but supposedly God created men and not giants to rule over the beasts and everything on the Earth....

"006:004 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."

Excerpt taken from.
www.talkorigins.org...

The Greeks and Romans also mention that before the Gods, even before Zeus himself there were the Titans. Actually according to legend Zeus was a son of two titans, Uranus and Gaea. I think this was a way for the greeks to explain that the Titans existed in the Earth before the Gods made their appearances.

Many of these ancient stories point out that before men and the Elohim or Gods, there were other races on Earth, races of giants. Perhaps the descendants of these giants are what some cultures call sasquatch, or Big foot or the abominable snow man in the himalayas or yeti, etc.

So, the first race to ever exist on Earth was probably not even human, as according to all legends humans came much later than these ancient races.

You also have to take into account that many cultures say that the Gods who were their forefathers came from different star systems.

To the Dogon tribe it was Orion. To the Native Americans was the Pleaiades, to the Celts, Dôn's Court which was Cassiopea, from where the Children of Dôn or Danu came from, etc.

Most ancient cultures talk also of some sort of war between demons and angels in the heavens, as well these demons angels/Gods and Godesses came to visit Earth one time or another.

To some, it might seem farfetched to put all these stories together and come to the conclusion that this is part of the true history of Earth, but that's exactly what I think happened. Now, appart from these ancient stories there are many different theories about these ancient ebes. In here is where it gets complicated.



[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Muaddib]


reply posted on 28-4-2004 @ 03:54 PM by Trance
Originally posted by AD5673


white people were engineered by a black scientist for one reason: screw the world over.

No offense to any black person ever but now im really pissed!
Ok letsa start...
White people arent the ones who are draging america down, white people arent the one who sit on wellfare have 5 ir 6 children wlk around uneducated smking weed and drugs, white people aren the ones who's neighborhoods are crap, dirty, violent, and just plain fuked up! white people dont walk around pretending to be all 'gangsta' white people dont talk like # like they came from africa nad talk like some #ed up people. White people arent the crazy ones. I am sick of black people messing this world up. They come here and as soon as they get righs they go crazy! Started this gay hip pop/rap music a dam beat! Started some gay slang started gangs! started even more cirme and influence other people unpo this #! White people are mush better than black people. Black people came from noahs son! Noah's son made fun of him when he was naked lying around with women. When noah found out he cursed him and his family and they turned black thats how i belive black people came to be. Those crazy bitches. I dodnt want to say anything here on ATS about black people but i've been hating them more and more day by day. Now I officialy hate them. Im not saying white people are gold and black are $hit. Im just saying they are much worse and influence stupid # upon America so far.


I always thought Color was a mere trick of the light.
lets grow up an see past that, we are all here together.

[Edited on 28-4-2004 by Trance]
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