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Americas Disgusting Inhuman Medical Torture at Gitmo

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posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:20 PM
Ok then, I will take your post to be sarcasm. And agreement with me that Gitmo is a failure.

posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:38 PM

Originally posted by cargo
Why the cries over Rense when the articles are written elsewhere and just linked/reprinted on Rense (or any other copy/paste news site, such as ATSNN)? And the cries about "credibility"? Why make yourselves look like idiots by bringing this up every single time a Rense LINK is used?

Unless the article is penned by Rense himself, or the article has no source other than, you are in no position to use the fact that Rense REPRINTS an article as claims that it is bogus.

Now, who wants to talk about credibility? Use your damn brains. Seek the info elsewhere if you are not satisfied with a link, you cheerleading line-toeing stubborn sychophants. This place is about finding and discussing info, unless it involves you who just come here to propagandise.

This gets an applaud from me. Use your brains people!! It's not originally from Rense.. Rense linked it.

And furthermore, gems can be found in any pile of bush... Rense included.

posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 09:05 PM
But it does link to the CCR, which is led by Michael Ratner, who was voted "Trial Lawyer Of The Year" other trial lawyers. Perfect.

CCR sued the US to close the Gitmo HIV refugee camp for Haitians (this camp provided free medical care and clean living for these poor victims of abuse and disease).

CCR has sued the US for allegedly using "too much force" in Iraq.

CCR sued the US for it's policy of returning Haitians to Haitia when interdicted at sea. Apparantly CCR and Michael Ratner prefer these HIV infested dregs to remain here in the US with you.

In other words, CCR has as much credibility as Rense.......which is none.

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:08 AM

Originally posted by ArchAngel
And you are right about the tactic of attacking the source, and ignoring what is said.....

What is this, then?

From another ArchAngel post:

Do you have a link to where it was posted so that we can determine the reliability of the source???

Can we say foot-in-mouth?

[edit on 24-10-2005 by cavscout]

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 12:23 AM

Do you have a link to where it was posted so that we can determine the reliability of the source???

Lets put this into context.

You did not provide a link, but I believe I know the contents of the post I replied to.

It was a report about a posting at an internet forum that was supposedly from Zarqawi.

I did not question the source, I asked for a confirming reference.

That is not the same as attacking the source.

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 01:11 AM

Originally posted by ArchAngel
Do you have a link to where it was posted so that we can determine the reliability of the source???

It was a report about a posting at an internet forum that was supposedly from Zarqawi.
No, it wasn't, but thanks for providing another example of your hypocrisy

I did not question the source, I asked for a confirming reference.

No, you are now ducking and weaving. Your exact words were "determine the reliability of the source???

PS - Sorry for getting off topic, but the topic was crap to begin with IMHO (and most other peoples HO as well, it seems.)

[edit on 24-10-2005 by cavscout]

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 06:47 AM

Tropical Vacation of Your Lifetime - Guantanamo!

This one is for all you Die-Hard Gitmo Fans, that really just Love to see some good ol' Torture to be practiced there, under the cover of "Interrogation and Information Extraction" barrier. Some of you said, that Gitmo is actually a 5 star resort for the detainees - for those I suggest they go and visit it themselves.

This one is just for You...

Revised Arab Interrogation Guidlienes?


Here is a List of Special Treatment you receive at Gitmo:

Barbed wire, forced to walk barefoot on
"Burking" – hand over detainee’s mouth/nose to prevent breathing
Cell extraction, brutal/punitive use of
Chemical/pepper spray, misuse of
Cigarette burns
Claustrophia-inducing techniques, e.g. tied headfirst in sleeping bag, shut in lockers
Death threats
Dietary manipulation
Dogs used to threaten and intimidate
Dousing in cold water
Electric shocks, threats of electric shocks
Exposure to weather and temperature extremes, especially via air-conditioning
Flags, wrapped in Israeli or US flags during or prior to interrogation
Food and water deprivation
Forced shaving, ie of head, body or facial hair
Forcible injections, including with unidentified substances
Ground, forced to lie on bare ground while agents stand on back or back of legs
Hostage-taking, i.e. individuals detained to force surrender of relatives
Humiliation, eg forced crawling, forced to make animal noises, being urinated upon.
Immersion in water to induce perception of drowning
Incommunicado detention
Induced perception of suffocation or asyphxiation
Light deprivation
Loud music, noise, yelling
Mock execution
Photography and videoing as humiliation
Physical assault, eg punching, kicking, beatings with hands, hose, batons, guns, etc
Physical exercise to the point of exhaustion, e.g. "ups and downs", carrying rocks
Piling, i.e. detainee is sat on or jumped on by one or more people ("dog/pig pile")
Prolonged interrogations, eg 20 hours
Racial and religious taunts, humiliation
Relatives, denial of access to, excessive censorship of communications with
Religious intolerance, eg disrespect for Koran, religious rituals
Secret detention
Secret transfer
Sensory deprivation
Sexual humiliation
Sexual assault
Shackles and handcuffs, excessive and cruel use of. Includes "short shackling"
Sleep adjustment
Sleep deprivation
Solitary confinement for prolonged periods, eg months or more than a year
Stress positions, eg prolonged forced kneeling and standing
Stripping, nudity, excessive or humiliating use of
Strip searches, excessive or humiliating use of
Strobe lighting
Suspension, with use of handcuffs/shackles
Threat of rape
Threats of reprisals against relatives
Threat of transfer to third country to inspire fear of torture or death
Threat of transfer to Guantánamo
Threats of torture or ill-treatment
Twenty-four hour bright lighting
Withdrawal of "comfort items", including religious items
Withholding of information, e.g. not telling detainee where he is
Withholding of medication
Withholding of toilet facilities, leading to defecation and urination in clothing

Amnesty International

Such a Lovely Place it is!

[edit on 24/10/05 by Souljah]

posted on Oct, 24 2005 @ 07:01 AM
You people would cry if the US were to let the detainees starve to death. You cry when the US has to force feed them to keep them alive. In the eyes of all the Anti-US people around here it is a win-win situation to do nothing more but bash and bash.

It would be good if we could just continue with finding out whether or not these detainees are indeed terrorists or helping the terrorists or linked to terrorism. if not then let them the hell go.

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