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Americas Disgusting Inhuman Medical Torture at Gitmo

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posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 02:22 PM
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* Force-feedings resulted in prisoners "vomiting up substantial amounts of blood. When they vomited up blood, the soldiers mocked and cursed at them, and taunted them with statements like 'look what your religion has brought you.'"

* "Large tubes - the thickness of a finger - were viewed by detainees as objects of torture. They were forcibly shoved up the detainees' noses and down into their stomachs. Again, no anesthesia or sedative was provided."

* "[D]etainees were verbally abused and insulted and were restrained from head to toe. They had shackles or other restraints on their arms, legs, waist, chest, knees, and head with these restraints in place, they were given intravenous medication (often quite painfully, as inexperienced medical professionals seemed incapable of locating appropriate veins). Their arms were swollen from multiple attempts to stick them with IV needles If detainees moved, they were hit in the chest/heart."

* "In front of Guantánamo physicians - including the head of the detainee hospital - the guards took NG tubes from one detainee, and with no sanitization whatsoever, reinserted it into the nose of a different detainee. When these tubes were reinserted, the detainees could see the blood and stomach bile from other detainees remaining on the tubes. A person detainees only know as Dr. [redacted] stood by and watched these procedures, doing nothing to intervene."

* Detainee Abdul-Rahman communicated that, "one Navy doctor came and put the tube in his nose and down his throat and then just kept moving the tube up and down, until finally Abdul-Rahman started violently throwing up blood. Abdul-Rahman tried to resist the 'torture' from this physician, but he could not breathe."

* Detainees complying with the nasal tube feeding were doing so only because they believed it had been ordered by a U.S. court, a belief that is simply untrue.

More from the Center for Constitutional Rights via Rense


I could not finish reading it so I cannot say how it ends, but there it is for your own viewing pleasure.

These are not the actions of the America I grew up to know.




posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 02:29 PM
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And I’m assuming they have sources for these claims or is it just some more Anti-American BS?



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 02:43 PM
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"Rense" LOL.

Rense is is about as bogus as a 3 dollar bill. Man, what a waste of bandwidth. Imagine somebody spends money to host such garbage...



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 02:52 PM
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Ofcourse Westpoint, anything that is against the US has to be considered ANTIBS Bullpoostraight away huh, how can anyone talk bad against the USA, especially with all the good things they are doing for mankind.

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posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 02:54 PM
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Thanks for pointing this out, Arch Angel. It's terrible to think of the torture that is happening at the hands of those representing my country. It saddens and sickens me.

There have been many credible sources for many months now that report the torture in Guantanamo and elsewhere. It's a known event. The refusal to believe it is simply a choice to deny it for political reasons. The fact that the only response is to attack the source shows just how little weight any opposing argument carries.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 03:01 PM
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This is only the wording of a lawyer, based on information collected by those on hunger strike.

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The quote is from the above link.


Julia Tarver who is representing detainees at Guanatanamo Bay. She says her clients - who are participating in a hunger strike to protest their mistreatment and indefinite detention

She is representing the hunger strikers. She has only their word on things.

Julia Tarver

This is a person who has gone against and fought against the death penalty. The link is from May 15, 1996.
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More about the so called claim here

Feeding tubes are about the size of a finger, they need to be to get down the gullet and be able to transfer liquefied food. Anyone who has one of these would know what it feels like. You swallow it to get down. Very hard to do i can tell you.

From all the links i have seen from just doing a 'Google' search, it is all about what the hunger strikers have said. There is no mention that this is indeed fact. Until i read that it is indeed fact, then i will sit on the fence with this one.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 03:56 PM
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The fact that the only response is to attack the source shows just how little weight any opposing argument carries.


As posted above it is word of mouth information.

And you are right about the tactic of attacking the source, and ignoring what is said.....



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 04:15 PM
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The US is not allowed to let the detainees starve. The detainees will not allow the US to give them a sedative. The detainees must be force-fed. A feeding tube must be implemented.

If these detainees won't take their medicine, it will have to be force-fed just like an infant.

I can't attest for the conditions since I am not there. But we have to do what we can. These "people" are held on alleged terrorist charges. They are prisoners. Should they have free-range of Camp David? If we let them starve, would that make it any better?



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 04:18 PM
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Dude, your link is Rense...RENSE!

Your credibility just went down 90%.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 04:25 PM
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why let a detainee starve to death....i think this is overly exaggerated and that the detainees had feeding tubes inserted so they would not die.....just more tatics by the liberal media to incite muslim reaction to kill more US troops.......pathetic report by stupid people. they hate the USA so much.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 04:47 PM
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How about the FBI?

Redacted FBI records


Washington Post 1


Detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were shackled to the floor in fetal positions for more than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water, and allowed to defecate on themselves, an FBI agent who said he witnessed such abuse reported in a memo to supervisors, according to documents released yesterday.


Washington Post 2



Even some of the detainees' attorneys acknowledged that they were initially skeptical, mainly because there has been little evidence that captors at Guantanamo Bay engaged in the kind of abuse discovered at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison. But last Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union released FBI memos, which it obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, in which agents described witnessing or learning of serious mistreatment of detainees.


FBI and other docs under FOIA



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by Open_Minded Skeptic
How about the FBI?


How about some info on the links before we click them?
Makes for a better and more enlightening post don't ya think?



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bikereddie
How about some info on the links before we click them?
Makes for a better and more enlightening post don't ya think?


What do you mean, Eddie? There are self-explanatory links (FBI records and FBI and other docs) and 2 quotes from Washington post articles. What do you want? I don't get your post...



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
What do you mean, Eddie? There are self-explanatory links (FBI records and FBI and other docs) and 2 quotes from Washington post articles. What do you want? I don't get your post...


Personally speaking, i prefer some kind of info on the link that is there. Some people have provided links that send you to some pretty gruesome sites etc.

I just made a statement asking for some kind of description as to what i would be hitting. Nothing more.

The fact that i see no colours, makes hitting anyones links a problem. I have no sense of colour at all. Maybe that is why i did not recognize anything as a link? It has to say link so i can hit it.
Hope this helps in helping you understand my post a bit more.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 05:28 PM
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The first link, named "Redacted FBI records" takes you to a page or pages of a series of FBI records describing some situations at Guatanamo. Being redacted, these are not complete records.

The two Washington Post links take you to two articles in the Washington Post talking about allegations and claims made by FBI agents regarding inappropriate treatment of prisoners at Guatanamo.

The last link, titled "FBI and other docs under FOIA" take you to a site that presents a series of documents by the FBI and others, also discussing the treatment of prisoners at Guatanamo and the response of the US government in investigating these allegations and correcting such behavior where it has been found to exist.

My apologies for just posting the unadorned links...


The point of my reply is that one does not need to depend on Rense to "deny ignorance" regarding the treatment of prisoners at Guatanamo and other places. There is a ton of information available, from organizations such as Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and even, as my earlier post demonstrates, the FBI.

These links just take you to places of text... some of the documents from there may or may not cross the line. I did not see any pictures in any of the documents I looked at.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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Thanks for the explanation. I was really puzzled!




The fact that i see no colours, makes hitting anyones links a problem. I have no sense of colour at all. Maybe that is why i did not recognize anything as a link? It has to say link so i can hit it.
Hope this helps in helping you understand my post a bit more.


Yeah, that might explain it.



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by skippytjc
"Rense" LOL.

Rense is is about as bogus as a 3 dollar bill. Man, what a waste of bandwidth. Imagine somebody spends money to host such garbage...



Originally posted by American Mad Man
Dude, your link is Rense...RENSE!

Your credibility just went down 90%.


Why the cries over Rense when the articles are written elsewhere and just linked/reprinted on Rense (or any other copy/paste news site, such as ATSNN)? And the cries about "credibility"? Why make yourselves look like idiots by bringing this up every single time a Rense LINK is used?

Unless the article is penned by Rense himself, or the article has no source other than Rense.com, you are in no position to use the fact that Rense REPRINTS an article as claims that it is bogus.

Now, who wants to talk about credibility? Use your damn brains. Seek the info elsewhere if you are not satisfied with a link, you cheerleading line-toeing stubborn sychophants. This place is about finding and discussing info, unless it involves you who just come here to propagandise.



[edit on 23-10-2005 by cargo]



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 07:45 PM
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Keeping America safe by detaining unlawful combatants.


www.defenselink.mil...




DETAINEES AT GUANTANAMO

Guantanamo detainees include many rank-and-file jihadists who took up arms against the U.S., as well as senior al Qaida operatives and leaders, and Taliban leaders. The type of enemy combatants captured during the course of hostilities include:• Terrorists linked to major al Qaida attacks, including the East Africa U.S. embassy bombings and the USS Cole attack.

• Terrorists who taught or received training on arms and explosives, surveillance, and interrogation resistance techniques at al Qaida camps in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

• Terrorists who continue to express their commitment to kill Americans and conduct suicide attacks if released.• Terrorists who have sworn personal allegiance to Usama bin Laden.

• Terrorists linked to several al Qaida operational plans, including possible targeting of facilities in the United States.

• Members of al Qaida’s international terrorism support network, including financiers, couriers, recruiters, and operatives.

• Terrorists who participated in attempted hijacking incidents.Representative examples of specific Guantanamo detainees include:

• An al Qaida explosives trainer who has provided information on the September 2001 assassination of Northern Alliance leader Masood and on the al Qaida organization’s use of mines.

• An individual who completed advanced terrorist training at camps in Afghanistan and participated in an attempted hijacking/escape while in custody that resulted in the deaths of Pakistani guards.

• An individual involved in terrorist financing who provided information on Usama bin Laden’s front companies, accounts, and international money movements for financing terror.

• A Taliban fighter who spent three months fighting on the front lines in Afghanistan and is linked to al Qaida operatives connected to the East Africa embassy bombings.

• An individual with links to a financier of the September 11th plots who attempted to enter the United States though Orlando Florida in August 2001. Phone recordssuggest September 11thhijacker Mohammed Atta was also at the Orlando airport that day. This individual was later captured in Pakistan after fleeing Tora Bora.

• Two individuals associated with senior al Qaida members who were working on remotely detonated explosive devices for use against U.S. forces.

• A member of an al Qaida supported terrorist cell in Afghanistan that targeted civilians, especially journalists and foreign aid workers; responsible for a grenade attack on a foreign journalist’s automobile.

• An al Qaida member who was plotting to attack oil tankers in the Persian Gulf using explosives laden fishing boats.• An individual who fought with an al Qaida supported terror cell in Afghanistan, personally establishing reconnaissance and ambush positions around Kandahar Airbase.

• An individual who served as a bodyguard for Usama Bin Laden and escorted him to Tora Bora, Afghanistan following the fall of Jalalabad, Afghanistan.

• An al Qaida member who served as an explosives trainer for al Qaida and designed a prototype shoe bomb for destroying airplanes and a magnetic mine for attacking ships.

• An individual who trained al Qaida associates in the use of explosives and worked on a plot to use cell phones to detonate bombs.

• An individual who served as an al Qaida translator and managed operating funds for al Qaida. An individual who helped stockpile weapons for use against U.S. forces in Afghanistan.

QUESTIONING OF DETAINEES

Questioning of Guantanamo detainees has improved the security of our nation and coalition partners by expanding our understanding of al Qaida, its affiliates, and other extremely dangerous terrorist groups that threaten our security The combined effect of this information is critical in the ongoing efforts to disrupt the attack plans of al Qaida and its affiliates throughout the world:

• Detainees have revealed al Qaida leadership structures, operatives, funding mechanisms, communication methods, training and selection programs, travel patterns, support infrastructures, and plans for attacking the U.S. and other countries.

• Information has been used by forces on the battlefield to identify significant military and tribal leaders engaged in or supporting attacks on U.S. and coalition forces.• Detainees continuously provide information that confirms other reporting regarding the roles and intentions of al Qaida and other terrorist operatives.Specifically, Guantanamo detainees have provided the U.S. with:

• Information on individuals connected to al Qaida’s efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction.• Information on front companies and accounts supporting al Qaida, Taliban, and Hezb-I Islam/Gulbuddin (HIG) operations.• Information on surface-to-air missiles, improvised explosive devices (IEDs), and tactics and training used by al Qaida, Taliban, and HIG elements.

• Identification of HIG associates in Afghanistan.• Significant, “actionable” information on al Qaida explosives training, assembly, and distribution throughout Afghanistan.• Information on the training of young adults (age 16-18) for suicide bombing missions.• Detailed information on travel routes potentially used by terrorists to reach the U.S. via Latin America.

• Detailed information on transnationalfunding operations in support of al Qaida, Taliban, and HIG, as well as information on individuals suspected of money laundering for terrorist organizations.• Information on non-governmental organizations (NGOs) providing financial and material support to terrorist organizations.

Guantan amo Detainees





To Fight Another Day

The real reason Guantanamo detainees have returned to the battlefield.

By Phillip Carter

Posted Monday, Oct. 25, 2004, at 12:29 PM PT


New battlefield reports indicate that at least eight and as many as 25 of the 202 prisoners paroled by the Pentagon from Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have rejoined the fight as members of the pro-Taliban resistance in Afghanistan, or as part of al-Qaida. One of the now-free prisoners fighting in Afghanistan proudly proclaimed that he won his parole simply by lying through his teeth throughout the time he was at Gitmo. And the Pentagon blames fibbing prisoners and inadequate screening systems—driven by this summer's Supreme Court terrorism decisions—for allowing these men to escape from captivity.

It's more than a little disingenuous to blame the Supreme Court for these problems, though, especially since most of these detainees were released before the June decisions were handed down. The real problem is that the Defense Department and U.S. intelligence community developed inadequate and unreliable systems for screening detainees at Guantanamo Bay. Just as one might expect, detainees exploited the flaws in this system to secure their freedom by any means available—including telling a few lies to deceive their captors into believing that they were innocent. Ironically, it didn't have to be this way—international law would have allowed the United States to warehouse the Gitmo detainees until "the cessation of active hostilities" and to interrogate them, too. But by rejecting the Geneva Conventions' restrictions on Gitmo detainee operations, the United States also rejected its benefits—creating the situation we have today in which paroled detainees have returned to fight against us.

The paroled-detainee problem traces its roots back to the fateful Bush administration decision in January 2002 to exempt Guantanamo detainees from the Geneva Conventions. A classified memo written by White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales declared Geneva anachronistic in the "new kind of war" faced by the United States—especially to the extent it limited the ways U.S. intelligence officials could squeeze detainees for information about terrorist operations. As a matter of policy, the White House declared that Gitmo detainees would be treated humanely in accordance with the Geneva Conventions—but not actually granted that treaty's legal protections. In every facet of detainee operations—from capture to transportation to interrogation to release—the third Geneva Convention and the Army's own regulations for its implementation were declared inapplicable.

slate.msn.com...




[edit on 2005/10/23 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:16 PM
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Whats the point Grady? You love gitmo for releasing fighters who should have been tried, convicted and sentenced...but weren't? Whose fault is it that these combatants were released only to rejoin the fight? These guys should very much be behind bars after the evidence has been brought forward and their sentences handed down. Why release them? How does the fact that this happened justify Gitmo? If you ask me, it's not working. Gitmo is a joke, these combatants should be have been found guilty based on evidence in a court. Why weren't they?



posted on Oct, 23 2005 @ 08:19 PM
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Use your own judgement, cargo. The point seems perfectly clear to me.



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