Open Letter to Amnesty International on the Iraqi Constitution

Originally posted by IAF101
THE Brussells Tribunal is a formed by a group of militant liberals who hide in Europe and wage a petty propaganda campaign against the US and its allies.

Well at least they are using Power of Argument not the Argument of Power in order to get their Goals. On the other side current US-goverment is using just about anything in their ARS-enal, except Nuclear weapons, to get what they want.

Furthermor, its sole aim to pursue the United states and its allies on the basis of an extreemist Washington think-tank called "Project for the New American Century" which advocates a more moral and stronger American influence in the world in the advent of a 'pearl harbour-like' event.
Granted the said think-tank is controversial but the important thing to remember is that their are a dime-a-dozen think tanks in D.C and this one isnt so different.

Actually PNAC is one of the Strongest think-tanks in the US, which means it is the strongest in the entire World. There are no "dime-a-dozen" of those - except if you count all the Pro-Isreali-Zionist-American-Jewish-Friendship associations, which are there to use every means they can to send more help to Isreal in their fight against the Arab World.

Moreover the sole power in the United States is with Congress who are both liberal ,conservative and inbetween. No one sect or group can claim dominance in a democracy.

Sure. Keep living in a land of Dreams. Sadly your country has been taken over by a ruthless DICKtator and he is turning it into a Police State. Try Patriot Act and comare it to Enabling Act. Sad day for Democracy.

The BT( Brussells tribunal) is chaired by one François Houtart; "who is a Belgian Marxist Priest and sociologist. Militant antiglobalist." Thats what the BT say about their chairman! So thats his credibility.

So thats BAD? What about your current President? An Alcoholic and a Coccaine addict? I bet he is a REAL role model for all his fellow countrymen. I bet he didnt have to use his Daddys friends powers to go to the Top.

So they confess that even the defense is biased and the people of the world are supposedly expected to believe that this "credible and just " tribunal is representative of unbiased and reliable sources ??

And what is a "Reliable Source" for You?

Penatgon? Department of Defence? Fox News? CNN?

This proves that it is yet more of the same liberal propaganda that has beseiged us for the past 10 years and will probably endure as the liberals seem to favor a degenerate immoral liberal America to one that stands up to those who threaten the freedom of millions around the world actively and give a fitting reply to those who seek to endanger America.

Yea, I bet Liberals are just waiting in line to "Degenerate" America and to "Corrupt" it and "Destroy" the Morals.

Wait a Minute!

I think its too late for that - Son-of-a-Bush has done that ALREADY!

Originally posted by IAF101
Well, well ! :shk:
Oh well! Here we go:
THE Brussells Tribunal is a formed by a group of militant liberals who hide in Europe and wage a petty propaganda campaign against the US and its allies.

I won't include the rest of your post for the sake of brevity. However, without posts like yours, the misinformed are led into believing that the US is on the brink of collapse.

Thanks also for trying to dispel the notion that the gov't will "take our children away from us" to use them in war.

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Originally posted by jsobecky
Thanks also for trying to dispel the notion that the gov't will "take our children away from us" to use them in war.

You have voted IAF101 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Ahhhh! It's such Joy to see People come togather in one of my Posts.

Just brings tears to my eyes!



Sadly you see me as the Enemy of the State - but in fact, the enemy of the state is your goverment. They are the ones destroying your civil liberties and human rights - not me. But I know, I know - it's much easier to kill the messenjah. It feels better for a while, but then it starts to burn again, huh? Well, the sooner you reaize that, the better for you. I am just showing you the door - you have to open it.

Thanks anyway for adding to my post!

Cheers!

In response to those who have said that our soldiers "volunteered" to go to war- Most of the men and women who are there joined the National Guard to serve their country in the case of a domestic threat or disaster. I am sure that they didn't think that they would be deployed to the middle east for a corporate agenda. There is no reason for us to be there exce[t tp serve the purposes of the oil and defense industry. If you believe otherwise then I say that you are being very naive. I am not a Clinton fan either, although my life was much better during his tenure. I would rather be lied to about a BJ than be lied to about WMDs. You call him a lecher...how could you ? She volunteered!!

Originally posted by Souljah
Sadly you see me as the Enemy of the State - but in fact, the enemy of the state is your goverment. They are the ones destroying your civil liberties and human rights - not me. But I know, I know - it's much easier to kill the messenjah. It feels better for a while, but then it starts to burn again, huh? Well, the sooner you reaize that, the better for you. I am just showing you the door - you have to open it.

Yes, you are the enemy of our country (not the State; I reserve that term for the unit of socialist and communist governments). You can always be relied on to denigrate the US. This goes further than a philosophical disagreement; I have no doubt that you would love to see us perish.

So why should you be classified as anything but an enemy of our country? In your defense, I would have to point to what you have as a yardstick - a socialistic Yugoslavia that failed it's social experiment because of human nature (as could have been predicted). However, many others have immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe, including my own family, and we would never go back. What does that tell you?

Originally posted by jsobecky
Yes, you are the enemy of our country (not the State; I reserve that term for the unit of socialist and communist governments). You can always be relied on to denigrate the US. This goes further than a philosophical disagreement; I have no doubt that you would love to see us perish.

Apparently you do not know me at all. You claim, that I would "without a doubt love to see You perish". Now why on Earth do you think that? I do not wish Death upon anybody - that is pure Evil. Why do you think, that the moment somebody critisies your country, he is your enemy? Do you want me to Lie to you and say "everything is OK" like your so-called president? Did you ever have a best Friend in your life? Why did you Love him for? Because he would say the TRUTH straight to your eyes without hesitation? Or beacuse he would suck up to you and tell you that you are great and wonderful and excellent - but you know thats not true. Do you rather live in a world of Fantasy?

So why should you be classified as anything but an enemy of our country? In your defense, I would have to point to what you have as a yardstick - a socialistic Yugoslavia that failed it's social experiment because of human nature (as could have been predicted). However, many others have immigrated to the US from Eastern Europe, including my own family, and we would never go back. What does that tell you?

Apparently you have no idea about Socialism at all. You think its a Monster that Eats people - like Stalin did. But that is not true. Capitalism eats people. Well if you are describing Your country as it is now, then yes, I am your enemy, because your country is Fascist state with a Dictator for a president and a coming police state (did you see that video how policemen treated an elderly black man?) and a military superpower, that wants to exercise nuclear weapons in OUR backyard - I mean our, as yours and mine, because I share the opinion that we are ALL in the same boat in this planet and whatever your extremly smart president does in the end affects me too.

My Grandfather fought the fascists in the WW2, and I damn right will continue his Fight Today!

Originally posted by Souljah

Apparently you have no idea about Socialism at all. You think its a Monster that Eats people - like Stalin did. But that is not true. Capitalism eats people. Well if you are describing Your country as it is now, then yes, I am your enemy, because your country is Fascist state with a Dictator for a president and a coming police state

LMAO, ummm yeah sure that's right I think you've exposed yourself as some paranoid fruitcake. Calling America fascist and Bush a dictator is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Well, I guess by your standards all countries are fascist and ruled by dictators

(did you see that video how policemen treated an elderly black man?) and a military superpower, that wants to exercise nuclear weapons in OUR backyard - I mean our, as yours and mine, because I share the opinion that we are ALL in the same boat in this planet and whatever your extremly smart president does in the end affects me too.

WTF ? Is this some random waffling on, or are you trying to say something ? You don't make much sense

My Grandfather fought the fascists in the WW2, and I damn right will continue his Fight Today!

LOL, right. I doubt your grandfather would have much respect for you hiding behind the anonymity of a computer screen spouting BS

Originally posted by rogue1
LMAO, ummm yeah sure that's right

I think you've exposed yourself as some paranoid fruitcake. Calling America fascist and Bush a dictator is about the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Well, I guess by your standards all countries are fascist and ruled by dictators

The problem here is that the Majority of Americans are too Deaf, Dumb or Blind to SEE it.

Fascism Anyone?

WTF ? Is this some random waffling on, or are you trying to say something ? You don't make much sense

Well if you do not understand it, doesn't mean it makes no sense...

LOL, right. I doubt your grandfather would have much respect for you hiding behind the anonymity of a computer screen spouting BS

I wonder what your presidents Grandfather did during WW2?

AHhh YES!

He FOUNDED the Nazis and helped Hitler to get to Power!

So it's again, All-in-the-Family!

How Bush's Grandfather helped Hitler's rise to Power

[edit on 12/10/05 by Souljah]

Originally posted by Souljah

Well if you do not understand it, doesn't mean it makes no sense...

Nope, it makes no sense, sorry bud something about exercising nukes or something.

I wonder what your presidents Grandfather did during WW?

AHhh YES!

He FOUNDED the Nazis and helped Hitler to get to Power!

So it's again, All-in-the-Family!

LMAO, you always seem to include this in your threads - getting a bit cliched aren't you

BTW Einstein, I'm not american. Which seems to further your apparent ignorance of the world around you.

[edit on 12-10-2005 by rogue1]

Originally posted by rogue1
LMAO, you always seem to include this in your threads - getting a bit cliched aren't you

Apparently not enough - if I mentioned it ten times a Day it wont Help anyway.

Apparently you have no idea about Socialism at all. You think its a Monster that Eats people - like Stalin did. But that is not true. Capitalism eats people. Well if you are describing Your country as it is now, then yes, I am your enemy

Socialism relies on victims and the weak in order to have a purpose to exist. Its logical outcome is a caste system. It is the philosophy of losers.

But I'm glad we got that enemy thing acknowledged.

Originally posted by CindyfromFlorida
In response to those who have said that our soldiers "volunteered" to go to war- Most of the men and women who are there joined the National Guard to serve their country in the case of a domestic threat or disaster. I am sure that they didn't think that they would be deployed to the middle east for a corporate agenda. There is no reason for us to be there exce[t tp serve the purposes of the oil and defense industry. If you believe otherwise then I say that you are being very naive. I am not a Clinton fan either, although my life was much better during his tenure. I would rather be lied to about a BJ than be lied to about WMDs. You call him a lecher...how could you ? She volunteered!!

Cindy you do realize that our entire government voted for this war in Congress? You do realize that every nation of the free world thought Saddam has WMDs? Then why continue to call only this President a liar when the past 3 have stated the exact same things he said? Because your hate for him that is why. It's hilarious to see liberals cry lied! lied! lied! yet when John Kerry, Bill Clinton, Bush Sr, France and all the rest said it they weren't lying? Don't forget this corporate agenda you speak of had to be approved by our Congress. So you think Bush bought all the democratic congressman that voted for it also? You need a reality check on politics and how they work. One man can't just declare war without approval from our government. And the National Guard knows FULL WELL the possiblities of war when they enlist.

And Souljah you don't know crap about our liberties being taking away you speak as if you are an American, you are not you are on the outside looking in. Until you have experience don't talk like you know anything. Because I live here and I know you just "think you know". All you know is what you read and hear you have no experience walking down the streets. I've said it a 100 times my life has not changed one single bit since 9/11 I do the EXACT same things I use to do. I don't look or speak or act like a terrorist so I have nothing to worry about. The endless whining from liberals and outsider critics like Souljah is tiring. Where was all this criticism when Bill Clinton was bombing Saddam daily, where was this endless criticism when we were guarding a suppossed sovreign nations skies for 10 years. Your hate for Bush drives you, don't let hate control your emotions, it's a sign of weakness.

Originally posted by IAF101
No one sect or group can claim dominance in a democracy.

try living in the UK for a while IAF lol.

1. Planning, preparing, and waging the supreme crime of a war of aggression in contravention of the United Nations Charter and the Nuremberg Principles.

I agree we broke the law.

2. Targeting the civilian population of Iraq and civilian infrastructure by intentionally directing attacks upon civilians and hospitals, medical centers, residential neighborhoods, electricity stations, and water purification facilities. The complete destruction of the city of Fallujah in itself constitutes a glaring example of such crimes.

Deliberate targeting of civilian poupulation?
Funny last time I heard the last UK soldiers charged with warcrimes where put in prison, gee thats not really reported is it..

How can you not aim at civilians when the enemy uses them as shields?
How can you fight an enemy who hides amognst civilians?

3. Using disproportionate force and weapon systems with indiscriminate effects, such as cluster munitions, incendiary bombs, depleted uranium (DU), and chemical weapons.

Who decides what is "apropriate" force?
You?
Me?
The enemy?

4. Using DU munitions in spite of all the warnings presented by scientists and war veterans on their devastating long-term effects on human beings and the environment.

I do not approve of using DU munitions but show me a better weapon?

5. Failing to safeguard the lives of civilians during military activities and during the occupation period thereafter. This is evidenced, for example, by “shock and awe” bombing techniques and the conduct of occupying forces at checkpoints.

BS, we've lost lives because we "safeguarded" civilian lives.

6. Actively creating conditions under which the status of Iraqi women has seriously been degraded, contrary to the repeated claims of the leaders of the coalition forces.

Realy?
So thats why iraqi men complain about our women in the armed forces not being covered up?

7. Using deadly violence against peaceful protestors, including the April 2003 killing of more than a dozen peaceful protestors in Fallujah.

Umm yeah ok, you mean when they came under fire from about 25 armed insurgents hiding in the crowd, or are the insurgents not willing to use human shields?

8. Imposing punishments without charge or trial, including collective punishment, on the people of Iraq. Repeated testimonies pointed to “snatch and grab” operations, disappearances and assassinations.

I am unware of any UK soldiers arresting people after the war was done.

9. Subjecting Iraqi soldiers and civilians to torture and cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment. Degrading treatment includes subjecting Iraqi soldiers and civilians to acts of racial, ethnic, religious, and gender discrimination, as well as denying Iraqi soldiers Prisoner of War status as required by the Geneva Conventions.

You mean the soldiers who where charged?
Yeah sure they done the above but they done so alone.
Unless ofcourse your trying to say that UK soldiers didnt give food medicine and water at the prison points, nor did they give the soldiers a chance to flee the battlefield before hand?

10. Re-writing the laws of a country that has been illegally invaded and occupied, in violation of international covenants on the responsibilities of occupying powers, in order to amass illegal profits (through such measures as Order 39, signed by L. Paul Bremer III for the Coalition Provisional Authority, which allows foreign investors to buy and takeover Iraq’s state-owned enterprises and to repatriate 100 percent of their profits and assets at any point) and to control Iraq’s oil.

I am not familiar with this, will investigate.

11. Willfully devastating the environment, contaminating it by depleted uranium (DU) weapons, combined with the plumes from burning oil wells, as well as huge oil spills, and destroying agricultural lands. Deliberately disrupting the water and waste removal systems, in a manner verging on biological-chemical warfare. Failing to prevent the looting and dispersal of radioactive material from nuclear sites. Extensive documentation is available on air and water pollution, land degradation, and radioactive pollution.

You mean the sites that where looted before coalition forces got there but then stopped the looting and the oil fires started by the iraqi army before they left.
But then ofcourse these acts when they are done dont get comented nor do they get noticed do they?
I havent heard of UK troops using BIO nor CHEM warfare...

12. Failing to protect humanity’s rich archaeological and cultural heritage in Iraq by allowing the looting of museums and established historical sites and positioning military bases in culturally and archeologically sensitive locations. This took place despite prior warnings from UNESCO and Iraqi museum officials.

Really?
So thats why one high ranking military officer specifically stated how full of culture iraq was and how his men and women where to respect it ?
You also mean the looting that was stopped by UK forces.

13. Obstructing the right to information, including the censoring of Iraqi media, such as newspapers (e.g., al-Hawza, al-Mashriq, and al-Mustaqila) and radio stations (Baghdad Radio), the shutting down of the Baghdad offices of Al Jazeera Television, targeting international journalists, imprisoning and killing academics, intellectuals and scientists.

Killing academics, intellectuals and scientists?
Exscuse me?
Proof?
Do you also mean state run or propaganda newspapers, unless ofcourse you want us to take total control of iraq by means of propaganda...which isnt that hard to do.

14. Redefining torture in violation of international law, to allow use of torture and illegal detentions, including holding more than 500 people at Guantánamo Bay without charging them or allowing them any access to legal protection, and using “extraordinary renditions” to send people to be tortured in other countries known to commit human rights abuses and torture prisoners.

This is a US problem and not a UK , the UK does not sanction torture.

15. Committing a crime against peace by violating the will of the global anti-war movement. In an unprecedented display of public conscience millions of people across the world stood in opposition to the imminent attack on Iraq.

Worse crimes against peace are commited everyday, there is no mention.
Yet ofcourse when the worlds 2 most powerful democracies do it , its a different story..

16. Engaging in policies to wage permanent war on sovereign nations. Syria and Iran have already been declared as potential targets. In declaring a “global war on terror,” the US government has given itself the exclusive right to use aggressive military force against any target of its choosing. Ethnic and religious hostilities are being fueled in different parts of the world.

So your saying that countries now lack the free will to use agressive military force against anyone it seesas a threat in self defence...yes I'm sure thats not breaking international law.
Yet again, many of these charges are made in generilisations , if we ( the UK) done the same politicaly and legaly we would have commited warcrimes on huge levels.

[edit on 26/02/2005 by devilwasp]

Originally posted by Souljah
The problem here is that the Majority of Americans are too Deaf, Dumb or Blind to SEE it.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle ‘black’.


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rstrik:

You do realize that every nation of the free world thought Saddam has WMDs?

That is a lie. Look at the list of countries Bush got for the Coalition of the Weenies. Pulau? Marshall Islands?

The entire Security council voted down the resolution. Germany, Canada, France, Russia. You had your agenda, they had theirs. Theirs' appears to have been the correct one.

I've said it a 100 times my life has not changed one single bit since 9/11 I do the EXACT same things I use to do.

Yeah, just because you don't NOTICE anything different, I'm sure nothing is different. I mean, you have been trained by TV to pay attention to everything that happens in your country that is relevant to you, right? You know about all the bills Congress has passed in the last 3 years, correct? You have read and understand the Patriot Act I and II. You watch CSPAN and watch what your government does and you hold them accountable for it. LOL!

FYI: The world despises your country because of your current administration. You wouldn't notice this if you didn't travel. Go to, let's say, Spain, and wear a US flag on your shirt and watch how fast you get spat on and insulted. Pick any major European country and the same thing will happen to you. An ALLIED country.


That's certainly different than 5 short years ago.


jako










[edit on 12-10-2005 by Jakomo]

Originally posted by Jakomo
FYI: The world despises your country because of your current administration. You wouldn't notice this if you didn't travel. Go to, let's say, Spain, and wear a US flag on your shirt and watch how fast you get spat on and insulted. Pick any major European country and the same thing will happen to you. An ALLIED country.


That's certainly different than 5 short years ago.

i thought the world despise our nation long before this Bush administration? must be the flag alright.

Originally posted by Jakomo
FYI: The world despises your country because of your current administration. You wouldn't notice this if you didn't travel. Go to, let's say, Spain, and wear a US flag on your shirt and watch how fast you get spat on and insulted. Pick any major European country and the same thing will happen to you. An ALLIED country.


That's certainly different than 5 short years ago.


jako

Umm yeah ok, you might want to recheck britain.
Since thats a major european country last time I checked and last time I checked we dont spit on our visitors.

But hey we can generalise all day cant we?

You have voted Souljah for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Originally posted by Jakomo
jsobecky:

You do realize that every nation of the free world thought Saddam has WMDs?

That is a lie. Look at the list of countries Bush got for the Coalition of the Weenies. Pulau? Marshall Islands?
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I've said it a 100 times my life has not changed one single bit since 9/11 I do the EXACT same things I use to do.

Yeah, just because you don't NOTICE anything different, I'm sure nothing is different. I mean, you have been trained by TV to pay attention to everything that happens in your country that is relevant to you, right? You know about all the bills Congress has passed in the last 3 years, correct? You have read and understand the Patriot Act I and II. You watch CSPAN and watch what your government does and you hold them accountable for it. LOL!

FYI: The world despises your country because of your current administration. You wouldn't notice this if you didn't travel. Go to, let's say, Spain, and wear a US flag on your shirt and watch how fast you get spat on and insulted. Pick any major European country and the same thing will happen to you. An ALLIED country.


That's certainly different than 5 short years ago.


jako

I never said any such things, jakomo. Please keep your sources straight, OK?

[edit on 12-10-2005 by jsobecky]