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NEWS: Troops begin "combat operations" in New Orleans.

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apc

posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 05:03 PM
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And by the way, why all of a sudden is it gangs doing all the looting and violance? Just curious. Did you hear that on TV? And if you did, then you are more of a fool than originally thought.

Actually, the people inside the Superdome said that...



I couldn't agree more...so somebody tell me please how does a soldier tell the difference between a "looter" and a frightened, starving desperate soul?

The "looter" is shooting at him?

The soldiers are under orders to defend themselves with lethal force if necessary. What that means kids, is if you're a soldier, and that big bad man is pointing a gun at you, you are supposed to kill him. Hooooow is this a disgrace?




posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 05:32 PM
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The shootings of armed civilians is a tragedy that falls directly on Bush's head.

The blood of those civilians is on his hands.


NO was destroyed, the Mayor's command structure destroyed.

The gov't that could act(THE FEDS) did nothing!

Bush lied! He said things are going well. Help is on the way for 3 days and nothing was being done.

This is criminal in excess!

Bring Bush to justice. Make it riight!



posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 07:01 PM
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i say he needs to be relived of his post as presedent, all he is a a good ol boy, you think that he actually care's? all he cares about is his oil company and the money that he is making from this gas problem! he is a bastard liar, who as flushed this country down the #ter. impeach him america and get this right wing nut out of office befor he kills some more innosent people by his retard mentalaty, the man cant make a speach to save his life, prolly just like any other good ol boy down south dont know squat

pardon my spelling


[edit on 4-9-2005 by semperfi221]


apc

posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 10:29 PM
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Wow...
Ignorance really is bliss.

You wanna hang our President (and like him or not, he is our President) becauuuuse our federal forces, already taxed by our ongoing occupation of multiple nations abroad, weren't able to instantly get help into a city that was virtually inaccessible?

Did it take them a little while to realize the full scope of what was going on? Yes. Did they fail to anticipate the destruction this storm would bring? Yes. Once realizing these things, did our government do precisely what needed to be done? Absolutely.

Oh ye of little faith. When the hurrican hit and the destruction was seen, how many of you ran to your cars to rush down and see what help you could offer? I'm reminded of song from a Simpsons episode... "Can't someone else do it?"



posted on Sep, 4 2005 @ 11:52 PM
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No , ignorance might possibly be some posters.

We spend over $300 billion on military preparedness every yr. All troops sent were in country and readily available. The 82nd abn. could have been there in 24 hrs. We have radar on our spy satelites that pass over every 90 minutes that could see objects 3" across through cloud cover. We knew exactly what the situation was.

There was no Presidential leadership to move the process. The President failed and thousands died.

A life for thousands of lives.

I say impeach our President his majesty G. W. Bush. This is no light matter to be lightly looked upon by light-headed individuals. Try to show some compassion not for Bush who was not injured by his irresponsibility, but for the tens of thousands who were.






[edit on 9/4/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:24 AM
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Originally posted by YaYo
I never thought I would see a major American city under total anarchy where lawlessness and crime ruled for nearly a week.


There are a lot of people out there these days who are anarchists. This is what anarchy brings to a country.


Originally posted by YaYo
It is sad to see that people rape, murder, and beat their fellow citizens because they had no water for 5 days.


On the second day after the hurricane there were reports of people looting, raping and killing other civilians. Let me see if I can find any reports about this. The following is a report on what the gangs, hudlums etc have done to NO.


New Orleans quickly descended into desperation and anarchy after the storm surge breached its protective system of levees, and floodwaters overwhelmed the city.

A trickle of government aid did nothing to stop the chaos that followed.

Scenes of rampant looting and reports that armed gangs had taken over the streets of New Orleans amid a near-complete collapse of order have shocked Americans.

The military convoy's arrival raised hopes that the government might finally be getting a grip on the crisis.


Excerpted from.
news.yahoo.com...

Let's see some of the other reports that don't seem to appear in some of the news media in the US.


AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.
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As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.
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Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."


Excerpted from.
www.hwt.com.au...

Some people complain about what is happening in NO, but I don't see anyone in here saying anything about the people in other places who are also without water, food or any help whatsoever.


"They've completely forgotten about this town," said Watts, who said she hasn't seen any state or federal aid workers since the storm hit her trailer home in nearby Wellstown, Miss., about 70 miles north of Gulfport. "It's a disgrace."


Excerpted from.
www.centredaily.com...


"We had three murders last night. We had a total of six rapes last night. We had the day before, I think, there were three or four murders. There were half-a-dozen rapes that night. We had one suicide last night. We had one military policeman shot."
Dr. Burnell described the Superdome situation as "very unstable, very high tension, a very dangerous environment."


Excerpted from.
www.newsmax.com...

There have been no reports of people shooting others or police officers in other cities, it is just happening in NO.


apc

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
All troops sent were in country and readily available. The 82nd abn. could have been there in 24 hrs. We have radar on our spy satelites that pass over every 90 minutes that could see objects 3" across through cloud cover.

Presence of troops does not mean much... as I said, ignorance is bliss.


The President failed and thousands died.

If you want to look at it that way, then actually no... the Mayor failed.

The order was given to evacuate before the storm made landfall. Most people did. The die hards did not. As usual, the die hards die... hard.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
No , ignorance might possibly be some posters.


You are probably speaking for yourself there...


Originally posted by bodebliss
We spend over $300 billion on military preparedness every yr. All troops sent were in country and readily available.


You have no idea what you are talking about. Troops are not "readily available," it takes time to prepare and more so for a situation such as this one. You can't throw our troops in there without planning first. Even people that were helping out with boats were being shot at, not to mention police officers and first aid responders.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:51 AM
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APC'

You take a pretty simple view of things

"Presence of troops does not mean much..."

I guarantee you if troops were on the ground from day one there would have been no violence, no looting, etc. Military presence is a big calmer of the masses.

"quote: The President failed and thousands died.
If you want to look at it that way, then actually no... the Mayor failed."

The Mayor's only fault was to be mayor at a time when all his resources were swept away leaving him nothing to work w/. This is when the feds should have been there. Bush leading the way.

"The order was given to evacuate before the storm made landfall. Most people did. The die hards did not. As usual, the die hards die... hard."

The order was given, but FEMA and Home Security and the White House were sorely inadequate in assessment and response and implementation of evacuation procedures.

You can almost hear them say,'aw, that will be good enough. Let's take a break and see what happens after the storm passes'.

Who was in charge of all the forces and who was on vacation?











[edit on 9/5/2005 by bodebliss]



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 12:57 AM
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"You are probably speaking for yourself there... "

No I'm not so there



"You have no idea what you are talking about. Troops are not "readily available," it takes time to prepare and more so for a situation such as this one. You can't throw our troops in there without planning first."

The 82nd abn is prepared to go anywhere anytime they are needed . That is their concept. it is ready to put a brigade(3000) of troops on the ground in 24hrs and the rest to follow in 48hrs All 53,000 troops there were drawn from units close to NO.

They were ready! No leadership!


apc

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 03:22 AM
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bodebliss... you see... states have a certain amount of this thing called "sovereignty." Our Federal Government cannot simply say "well... it seems it has really hit the fan there. No... you cannot take care of yourselves. We're going to do it for you." That's called "Federal Martial Law" and it's a pretty big deal... tends to be avoided.

Now, as was the case in Louisiana, the Federal Government, and the military action that comes with it, is almost powerless until such time that the State Government requests assistance. It's a good thing... trust me.

> btw...


You take a pretty simple view of things

I couldn't agree more.

[edit on 5-9-2005 by apc]



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:00 AM
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APC,

I know what your saying and I see your point.

The problem with what happened is if Bush had jumped on it immediately, he has another tool in his box he could have used to expedite the situation. It's called, 'Arm Twisting' and Presidents use it all the time.

This is where the current leader of the free world failed.

[edit on 9/5/2005 by bodebliss]


apc

posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 04:39 AM
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Well bodebliss I'll admit Pres. Shrubboy could have done more. But hey... he's no JFK... he's no Eisenhower, Roosevelt, or Truman. He's a Bush. And Bushes do Bushy things. They're good at conducting a war. That's just what Bushes do. His dear old dad was one hell of a Commander in Chief, and while they may both be Bonesmen ("War" is our middle name) they both know how to use our nations armed resources to project our influence across the globe.
It's basically why he's still in office.. at this point in time, we need a President who doesn't have a problem with smacking other countries around a bit (with a large trout..... nm). Is it really his fault thousands may have died over this past week? Not really... it's the hurricane's fault. Sometimes bad things just happen, and when the head honcho is no humanitarian, it's just the luck of the draw.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 05:32 AM
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boy, if that don't sound callus!

I hope yours is the next area to be hit by a catastrophy, or maybe just your house



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 08:23 AM
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All the factors..inadequate warnings and provision for evacuation..no aid provision for nearly a week..no national guard or other 'law enforcement' presence...and now troops on 'combat operations' with orders of shoot-to-kill all lead me to suspect one thing...that this horrendous disaster has been anticipated for from the start and is being used as a REAL-TIME EXERCISE

No other opportunity like this has been granted to the Generals and planners in their shiny hi-tech bunkers to study and plan for a scenario of a major city wiped out in one fell swoop and the social-aftermath that ensues...the poor b*stards are being used as guinea-pigs

Perhaps that would go some way to explain why lines of communication have ben cut-off or jammed??

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 03:41 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
APC,

I know what your saying and I see your point.

The problem with what happened is if Bush had jumped on it immediately, he has another tool in his box he could have used to expedite the situation. It's called, 'Arm Twisting' and Presidents use it all the time.

This is where the current leader of the free world failed.

What more could he have done? He declared a state of emergency, which puts FEMA on alert. FEMA then waits for the call from the governor, because of that little thing called sovereignty that APC mentioned. The feds also sent an executive letter to Blanco, recommending that she turn the situation over to FEMA and the feds.

She turned them down. Declined the offer. She said that it would look like martial law.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:13 PM
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'Arm twisting', he could have employed that tactic, if he was a real leader.



posted on Sep, 5 2005 @ 06:19 PM
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Bush is a liar, he could stop lying.

"The Iraqi insurgency is in its last throes. The economy is booming. Anybody who leaks a CIA agent's identity will be fired. Add another piece of White House rhetoric that doesn't match the public's view of reality: Help is on the way, Gulf Coast."

www.taipeitimes.com...



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by bodebliss
Bush is a liar, he could stop lying.

"The Iraqi insurgency is in its last throes. The economy is booming. Anybody who leaks a CIA agent's identity will be fired. Add another piece of White House rhetoric that doesn't match the public's view of reality: Help is on the way, Gulf Coast."

www.taipeitimes.com...



The guy can't help it, he likes to look at life thru Rove-tinted spectacles



posted on Sep, 6 2005 @ 07:56 PM
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There's some kind of pattern here. He likes to appear to be a military man and then it's found he has questionable and non-existent military duty.

He wants to appears to be moral then it's found he used drugs.

Then there's the string of lies to cover inadequacies of himself and his admin.

Inter. sec. Norton in contempt of court for lying, destroying document and trying to get others to do the same(criminal) in the Indian Trust case.

VP Cheney's old buddy Haliburton getting a gifted contract over the advice of admin. prrofessionals and then Haliburton bilks the gov't.

Rove the center of a major breach of ethics and so far escaping scrutiny.

etc, etc, etc....

He looked like a clown on that aircraft carrier proclaiming victory, when everybody knew the fight had just begun.

He came across as lacking analytics as he proclaimed the insurgency was dying(when it was really our soldiers who were dying).

etc...etc...etc...

"Telling the poor people(maybe that was their sin..born poor...) that help is coming New Orleans"


Constant spin and attempts to control the view of his inept actions now and going way...way...back is(fill in the blank)_____.

I guess if your rich your guaranteed a lifetime of people wanting to toady-up and jump on a grenade for you and lie and cheat in your name.

I don't know maybe Bush is the anti-christ.

The troops are in NO now, but how long did it take?
















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