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Originally posted by yeahright
Sounds like a great response to me. I took astronomy from the legendary Dr Edmondson about a thousand years ago. The discussion section met at the top of the Kirkwood observatory, and this time of the year it was flippin' HOT up there. I can almost hear ol' Frank speaking the words in your post.
Enjoy this time. Take his advice, but continue to explore independently, if you're inclined. He COULD be wrong.
"What I found [in doing research for the book Project Delta] was compelling evidence to claim that most of these aerial objects far exceeded the terrestrial technology of the era in which they were seen. I was forced to conclude that there is a great likelihood that Earth is being visited by highly advanced aerospace vehicles under highly 'intelligent' control indeed."
"We're not dealing with mental projections or hallucinations on the part of the witness but with a real physical phenomenon."
"Reports of anomalous aerial objects (AAO) appearing in the atmosphere continue to be made by pilots of almost every airline and air force of the world in addition to private and experimental test pilots. This paper presents a review of 56 reports of AAO in which electromagnetic effects (E-M) take place on-board the aircraft when the phenomenon is located nearby but not before it appeared or after it had departed.
"Reported E-M effects included radio interference or total failure, radar contact with and without simultaneous visual contact, magnetic and/or gyro-compass deviations, automatic direction finder failure or interference, engine stopping or interruption, dimming cabin lights, transponder failure, and military aircraft weapon system failure."
If there is a another, non-human intelligence operating on the Earth then "science" could be of little help and there may be no "proof" available except as these "others" desire. The concept of "proof" requires that there exist a human agency possessing the ability to determine with authority what is happening in the world. When "science" is dealing with things like sulphur dioxide or chimpanzees there is no problem. But if "UFOs" are the products of a superior technology then where is the "authority" to determine what is really going on? We must remember that scientists are neutral, objective observers only within their narrow specialties.
"Ufology" can never be truly "scientific." This is because of the nature of science and the probable nature of the "UFO." If in fact the "UFO" represents another intelligence of some kind then the fundamental assumptions of "science" and "scientists" are null and void. These assumptions are:
1) The universe is objective (totally material, in effect, dead) and knowable with certainty by human beings, i.e., by scientists, who are the most human.
2) The scientific method is the best way to study the universe and its language is quantification--mathematics. The ideal here is the "hard, physical evidence" that can be deemed "proof" by the ultra-materialists of the world of science.
3) The highest form of "science" therefore is physics, the most provable, with chemistry a strong second.
But if the UFO is not "objective," if instead it is under the control of an agency equal or superior in intelligence to humans, then the UFO is not necessarily knowable at all, let alone knowable with certainty. Science assumes that humans are at the top of the universal brain chain. Science has not really looked at what it might mean if we are not.
The "scientific method" demands repeatability either of experiment or observation. It assumes "control" of one kind or another by human beings. But if the "UFO" represents another intelligence then that "control" may not be available. And if that control is not there then science is not going to give us what we need. We need more than science.
the explanation for anything that it is due to
intelligent aliens visting Earth in spacecraft
is such an extreme explanation that it will
always be easier and more rational to accept
a more pedestrian expalantion, even if a little
bit odd. As Carl Sagan put it, extraordinary
claims require extraordinary proof, the highest
standards of evidence. So, it is easier for me
to believe the children saw some unusual military
aircraft with suited up pilots, or they suffered
from a mass delusion, or their headmaster told
them what to say or do under threat of serious
Ask him about his opinions on Roswell. If he thinks it's BS tell him to come on this site so we can watch he and Gazrok go at it. I'm sure Gazrok's working the speedbag as we speak.