Martial Law; What would you do? Is it time to prepare?

I just wanted to point out that it was suggested that having hemp seeds and hydroponic equipment is not such an immature concept. If there were a complete break down in society, marijuana could be a very good currency. It is something that, under the difficult situation proposed, would be in scarce supply and a desired commodity.

Aside from this, hemp is very nutritious. The hemp seed is, of itself, very nutritious and can be used to bake bread. Keep in mind that hemp seeds are not psycho-active. Furthermore, hemp oil from pressed seeds can supply essential fatty oils essential for human health -- this is one of the best sources of this. Additionally, aside from soy, hemp seed is the highest source of non-animal protein available.

As medicine, hemp/marijuana, can be used to naturally treat a variety of ailments, not to mention depression and anxiety. Under martial law, it could be predicted that there will be plenty of psychological conditions that would need to be treated. Mental health issues aside, marijuana can also be used to treat dysmenorrhea (painful menstruation), migraine, and Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson's etc. Keep in mind, traditional medicine might not be readily available.

So it might not be all that "immature" (as one poster put it) to supply oneself with the ability to grow hemp/marijuana.

You can't actually smoke hemp....well, I guess you could, but it would take like 15 joints in 10 minutes to get ya anywhere......

From the North American Hemp Council :

*Industrial hemp and marijuana are both classified by taxonomists as Cannabis sativa, a species with hundreds of varieties. C. sativa is a member of the mulberry family. Industrial hemp is bred to maximize fiber, seed and/or oil, while marijuana varieties seek to maximize THC (delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol, the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana).

*While industrial hemp and marijuana may look somewhat alike to an untrained eye, an easily trained eye can easily distinguish the difference.

*Industrial hemp has a THC content of between 0.05 and 1%. Marijuana has a THC content of 3% to 20%. To receive a standard psychoactive dose would require a person to power-smoke 10-12 hemp cigarettes over an extremely short period of time. The large volume and high temperature of vapor, gas and smoke would be almost impossible for a person to withstand.

*If hemp does pollinate any nearby marijuana, genetically, the result will always be lower-THC marijuana, not higher-THC hemp. If hemp is grown outdoors, marijuana will not be grown close by to avoid producing lower-grade marijuana.

*Hemp fibers are longer, stronger, more absorbent and more mildew-resistant than cotton.

*Fabrics made of at least one-half hemp block the sun's UV rays more effectively than other fabrics.

*Many of the varieties of hemp that were grown in North America have been lost. Seed banks weren't maintained. New genetic breeding will be necessary using both foreign and domestic "ditchweed," strains of hemp that went feral after cultivation ended. Various state national guard units often spend their weekends trying to eradicate this hemp, in the mistaken belief they are helping stop drug use.

*A 1938 Popular Mechanics described hemp as a "New Billion Dollar Crop." That's back when a billion was real money.

*Hemp can be made in to a variety of fabrics, including linen quality.

-DT

Star-Telegram.com (Texas) reports Marijuana found to Promote Growth of Brain Cells

Story Here

Or if you don't belive the website, here's the printed source...

Star-Telegram Oct. 31 2005
Health | Fitness | Local Radio Pg 11E
Top of Page Under Mental Health

Would it be possible to gradually enforce martial law on entire societies over time, the whole while granting them the illusion of freedom? Would people be oblivious if aspects of their "pop culture" was affecting only their subconscious mind?

Does anybody know where to buy hemp seeds?

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Would it be possible to gradually enforce martial law on entire societies over time, the whole while granting them the illusion of freedom?

YES...
in fact the slower they go about doing it the lower the chances that any one would notice. Check out Orwells works, specificaly Animal Farm and I, Robot is worth looking at.

Only Those who belive they are free are hopelessly enslaved.

We give the cops pyramiding powers to fight crime but elderly people fear to walk the streets. We put bad people in prison, and scare good people enough that they put bars on their own windows. It's all conditioning. Some day there will be international curfews when you are required to lock your self in at night and anyone found outside will be executed as criminals - except for the looting cops who will continue to loot to insure their jobs. Give it 40 years (if the world lasts that long) and it will be truely us and them.

Isn't there a curfew in North Korea?

My friend told me that if your out at night after like 9.00, you are at risk of being beatern up by the police.

Originally posted by Esoteric Teacher
Would it be possible to gradually enforce martial law on entire societies over time, the whole while granting them the illusion of freedom? Would people be oblivious if aspects of their "pop culture" was affecting only their subconscious mind?

Martial law
n.
Temporary rule by military authorities, imposed on a civilian population especially in time of war or when civil authority has broken down.

So in short...no
I don't think most people understand what martial law is.

It is impossible to impose martial law over a country of 300+ million people. That's just not going to happen. There's not enough manpower to even come close to doing that. Especially in one of the largest (area wise) countries on earth.
It's also impossible to impose martial law over extended periods of time. Again, lack manpower and resources would prevent this.


Even doing what you're talking about....
police state
n.
A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic, and political life of the people (especially by means of a secret police force.)

.....would be extremely difficult. Especially in this day and age.

Actually, ThatsJustWeird, that isn't strictly true.

Martial Law in the United State's would be the suspension of habeas corpus.

Article 1, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it."

The Supreme Court of the United States, in Ex Parte Milligan 71 US 2 1866 said [in the ratio] that; "law could not be instituted within the United States when its civilian courts are in operation" and in 1878, Congress passed the Posse Comitatus Act; "military involvement in domestic law enforcement without congressional approval" with the exception of the National Guard.

So, it is fully possible for Martial Law to exist all that needs to happen is:
A large scale attack, either internal or external, which results in the courts being disabled. To argue that it isn't possible due to Population Size and Land Size, is a joke as both the U.S.S.R. and the P.R.C. have installed Martial Law once.

I was responding to the question, can Martial Law be slowly imposed over the years. Even in that case the answer is still no.

Also, in that case we would be in a state of war.
Even then enforcing it would be extremely difficult. You can impose it all you want, it's enforcing it that's the problem. Not only would you be trying to enforce the law or keep in order your country, you would also be fighting whatever country attacked you.

It's impossible to put the martial law but it's easy to put a police state, because it's already almost here... and when the walls between the canadian's and mexican's borders will be finished, it could start very soon so any people in the us would be in detention. And nobody could escape or get in.

So let's fight against the building of the wall.

I think if it comes down to it, "they" are just going to lock the gates on all these gated communities and the lobbies of condos. That effectively quarantines a fairly large percentage of the population.

My kit? It's my standard trip pack, tent/bivy, 40deg bag, fleece liner, foul weather gear and a few different lights, a knife in almost every pocket , duct tape and zipties, some rope, some twine, in addition to my camelback which i carry everywhere with me, GPS with topo maps loaded, compass, a pile of rechargable batteries (i still need a small solar panel so i can charge), more lights, alcohol stove, small tools, superglue, eye protection, air pump, various types of tape, some automotive primary wire (it has many uses other than carrying current) and some clothes. Depending on where i'm going and how, i've got a few sets of things to take should i need to run straight up the trail from my front steps or should i need to take my bike (which is offroad capable).

If i run up the back hill i access a trail system (and lots of not-so trails) through rugged gnarly terrain that i can navigate blindfolded if needed.

My friend and I hike and discuss possible techniques and tactics in the mountains should the proverbial fecal matter contact the air circulation device and people are being rounded up. Between the rugged terrain that we can tech run and climb, and our knowledge of the terrain we could effectively disappear if pursued (there's plenty of mineshafts, caves, and narrow canyons to hide in. Regardless of whether federal martial law/nwo/whatever takes place, i'm working on getting everything i need together to eventually just go off to live in the wilderness completely off-grid, simply because whether it be NWO, WWIII, natural disaster, climate change, or simply my wish to not be part of the matrix and go live like people did before industry and the great civilizations, there were people, in harmony with nature.

ThatsJustWeird, I don't wanna preach armageddon, but the US FEMA already has a elaborated policy for such a situation, and yes, it's made to be applied to the entire USA, along with its 300 million citizens. How is it supposed to be made concrete?

Under a situation of national emergency which endangers the lives of all americans, the government has the mandate to declare martial law. As soon as it is passed, FEMA takes over all executive and judicial power in the government, while legislative power, the Congress, is suspended for a period of at least 6 months. Within the first hours of this "legal overthrow" of government, all police forces and emergency personel such as firefighters and ambulance drivers are placed under the strict rule of FEMA; so do all public transports and services such as trains, buses, hospitals, nurseries, public schools, and civil telecoms, of course, such as TV networks, cell phone antennas and your favorite ISP. The National Guard has the mandate to ensure security everywhere, and that means a constant patrol of the streets and instant arrest of everybody they think is a threat to national security. Whoever is the President at the time, he will have no choice but to retreat into his nuclear shelter and play poker until things get better (something which will not happen, of course). THis whole legislation was mostly built under the Reagan administration, and Bush consolidated it and made it even more easier to apply with the implementation of the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security, that play a preparative role into setting a total police state dictatorship in America, and ensure that problems of workforce (such as the ones you're talking about) will be resolved with technological, economical and military infrastructures of control. THink of all these surveillance cameras they've placed everywhere in cities... think of the National ID, and the upcoming biometric ID systems. It's all there to make CONTROL of the masses easy in a country as populated as the US.

Things will not be that difficult, sadly. Remember the USSR? Rings any bell to you? When the Soviet took over in the '20s, Russia was one of the 3 most populated countries in the world, and the biggest in the world. It had a huge cultural diversity and things were very different in cities from rural areas. But it took only a few years to descend from a post-chaotic socialist order to an absolutist totalitarian regime.

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I second everything Ectelion has said. Also, be honest here. If the hammer comes down on Americans and I am speaking of open police state/martial law atmosphere, nearly everyone will be "enslaved" instantly. Only those who have special access whether it be to military/governmental personnel to keep you safe or are lucky enough to escape in the early stages before things get absolutely out of control will survive.

The rest of us get to be prisoners in our own home waiting to die from nuclear/chem/bio attacks or railroaded off to a FEMA camp. Oh and don't plan on voicing any opposition to the matter or you might find yourself shot on sight.

As for suggestions concerning what to do when martial law will arrive (if it does... I pray for us all that it won't), going to a remote place seems to be the way to go in general.

Think of a remote, even isolated community of people that have a long tradition of being outsiders, of neither relying or submitting to government and business rule, but more onto themselves. These communities still exist, although you have to find them and be able to move around there is things gets bad.

In big cities, it might be possible to go live underground... I mean in places like squats, abandoned warehouses and especially The problem in big cities is that if you get to regroup with people, the police might eventually uncover you existence and consider your gang as a terrorist group, and if you stay too alone... well it's gonna be harder to survive. But still urban areas are a problem under such situation, and moving away might be the best thing to do.

Other thing... and the most important, if things go as bad as a martial law, the most important thing to do is to NOT let yourself be impressed by the authority, and keep smiling. Fear is dangerous, but humour and detachment can save your life, and other lifes too, in the most tense situations.

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Originally posted by Echtelion
ThatsJustWeird, I don't wanna preach armageddon, but the US FEMA already has a elaborated policy for such a situation, and yes, it's made to be applied to the entire USA, along with its 300 million citizens. How is it supposed to be made concrete?

What situation? A war type situation?
Well of course they do. Every country has a similar policy in a similar situation when the government is no longer able to function.
I'm talking about in a non war type situation. It's just not possible to enforce over any sustained period of time. Period.

Under a situation of national emergency which endangers the lives of all americans, the government has the mandate to declare martial law.

That situation of national emergency is we're either 1) we're being invaded or 2) we're being nuked.
Again, I'm talking about declaring martial law in a non war scenario.

As soon as it is passed, FEMA takes over all executive and judicial power in the government, while legislative power, the Congress, is suspended for a period of at least 6 months.

If we're talking about "martial law", the military takes over and there is no set time. It could be for a couple days.

Within the first hours of this "legal overthrow" of government, all police forces and emergency personel such as firefighters and ambulance drivers are placed under the strict rule of FEMA; so do all public transports and services such as trains, buses, hospitals, nurseries, public schools, and civil telecoms, of course, such as TV networks, cell phone antennas and your favorite ISP. The National Guard has the mandate to ensure security everywhere, and that means a constant patrol of the streets and instant arrest of everybody they think is a threat to national security. Whoever is the President at the time, he will have no choice but to retreat into his nuclear shelter and play poker until things get better (something which will not happen, of course).

I thought we were talking about martial law (hence the title of this thread 'Martial Law; What would you do? Is it time to prepare?')
I'm not sure what in the world you're talking about.

It's obvious people don't know what martial law is, and have been watching too many movies

This link should help a bit (pdf)
www.fas.org...

THis whole legislation was mostly built under the Reagan administration

Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about, but Martial Law laws have been in place since the founding of this country.

and Bush consolidated it and made it even more easier to apply with the implementation of the Patriot Act and the Department of Homeland Security

Again, if we're talking about Martial Law it's no easier to declare now than it was 100 years ago.
(and it is difficult to declare with the passing of the Posse Comitatus Act and the decision by the SCOTUS in Ex Parte Milligan)

that play a preparative role into setting a total police state dictatorship in America, and ensure that problems of workforce (such as the ones you're talking about) will be resolved with technological, economical and military infrastructures of control. THink of all these surveillance cameras they've placed everywhere in cities... think of the National ID, and the upcoming biometric ID systems. It's all there to make CONTROL of the masses easy in a country as populated as the US.

Ahhh here we go. You're talking about a "total police state dictatorship", not martial law.
But again, even in that....how long do you think it'll last? You can site examples from the past all you want, but the world is 100% more different now.
Plus, I'm not sure you realize how many guns and gunowners there are in America. If someone tries to set up a dictatorship, especially in a time when we're not being invaded or attacked....honestly, how long do you think that person would last?
Our right to bear arms was put in place so that wouldn't happen. Our right to bear arms is why that's unlikely to happen, and if it does happen it's unlikely to be successful.

Things will not be that difficult, sadly. Remember the USSR? Rings any bell to you? When the Soviet took over in the '20s, Russia was one of the 3 most populated countries in the world, and the biggest in the world. It had a huge cultural diversity and things were very different in cities from rural areas. But it took only a few years to descend from a post-chaotic socialist order to an absolutist totalitarian regime.

You're talking about things that happened after years and years of war (close to 100).
We're talking about martial law here in America in modern times and what to do if it's ever declared.

considering the amount of people I know who would resist and probably take a large number of people with them I don't know about enforcing it.
If it ever happend all I would need is a gun and some ammo. They'll never take me alive

Make no mistake, your , i mean our, best chance is taking advantage of the initial turmoil when the system is in a state of flux and the thugs haven't yet gained their full confidence and are still green, so to speak.

We are Hundreds of Millions, they are a numerically insignificant minority of thugs and killers, they don't stand a chance in open conflict, nukes, yes, diseases, yes, but bidirectional rifle match or even sending an entire army would fail IF people understood that their best chance is to act instictively at the first chance. You're one shot / punch / blow / stab away from a military grade weapon, keep that in mind. if you win the first encounter, people around will see that victory (and survival) is a matter of choice and determination.

let's hope the current power-grab experienced in the west can be resolved differently, but if # hits the fan, forget what they told you about humanity, forget the law, and remain true to yourselves.

PS: don't be fooled by people who say 'it cannot happen' - they gave no explanations, and 20th century mightily invalidates them! there is no special country, it happened to China, Russia, Germany, it can happen here and now, if you don't believe that, fine, i for one think it's better to be alive than sorry.

stock up on spray deoderant, canned foods/hemp, and a lighter when it happens.
The first soldier you see alone get behind hip spray the deoderant with the lighter on Tada flamethrower. Its the stuff that will get by under the radar that will truly save your life. They will look for people with guns but people who act like they are passive they may pass by. I'm not saying you should dump the gun Idea but you should find a stealthier way to get at a m-16 or m-4 or AUG or something. Also you can make bombs with axe and that could possibly take out a hummer??(maybe?) or stick one down a tanks hatch if you can get close enough.
I believe som of our scholars are doing reasearch on telekinetic abilities. do some of that yourself-iron supliment pills may help. get any weapons you can before hand.

Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
What situation? A war type situation?
Well of course they do. Every country has a similar policy in a similar situation when the government is no longer able to function.
I'm talking about in a non war type situation. It's just not possible to enforce over any sustained period of time. Period.

What if the government, or whoever wants martial law, detonates suitcase nukes in a few big cities, and then the government says that the US is being attacked, thus declaring martial law?
Would that work for you?

Originally posted by Echtelion
In big cities, it might be possible to go live underground... I mean in places like squats, abandoned warehouses and especially The problem in big cities is that if you get to regroup with people, the police might eventually uncover you existence and consider your gang as a terrorist group, and if you stay too alone... well it's gonna be harder to survive. But still urban areas are a problem under such situation, and moving away might be the best thing to do.

Bad idea, you'll run out of food. Best to head for the hills